Different Somali Qabils and their different reasons on their opposition to Somaliland recogntion and Independence

[Khalid Ali]

I have spent considerable time studying the dynamics between Somalis and their attitude toward Somaliland, particularly their envy of the Saadaat people over the past few decades.

Firstly, there is hardly any clan in Somalia that opposes Somaliland purely on the grounds of ethno-nationalism. Perhaps the Marehan come closest to this, believing in unity based on nationalism. Among the Darood, they appear the most genuine, though not without their share of dishonesty. I also think that Siyad Barre was misguided by elements within the Ogaden and Dhulbahante clans, who poisoned his mind with anti-Isaaq rhetoric. If only Siyad Barre had heeded the counsel of Sheikh Yusuf Sheikh Madar in 1979 and 1980, he might have extended his rule by another two decades, much like Gaddafi, perhaps even passing power to his son. From 1970 to 1980, Siyad Barre’s governance was not entirely unfavorable to the Isaaq—many held positions in his cabinet and the Supreme Revolutionary Council. We had no significant issues with him so long as we could continue our business endeavors. Siyad Barre had a firm grip on Mogadishu; the Hawiye did not dare challenge him—until we, the northerners, initiated the resistance paved the way it was an isaaq man that shouted afweyne ha dhaco in 1987 in the football stadium of Mogadishu , hawiye didnt dare. Instead of appeasing small and insignificant clans in the north like the Qurji or an Ethiopian clan called ogaden, he should have focused on maintaining good relations with the great Saadaat nation, and he might have ruled for decades longer.

Now, let’s consider the various clans and their reasons for opposing Somaliland:

Wasakhgali: They oppose Somaliland because they fear becoming a minority. According to British statistics from the 1950s, they constituted only 3% of the population, and little has changed since then.

Dhulbahante or the Qurji : They resist being part of Somaliland due to concerns about their insignificance within the nation, even though they would be far more marginalized in Somalia.

Hawiye (Abgaal): Their opposition stems from concerns over Mogadishu losing its power and wealth. Some also believe that the Isaaq are needed to keep the Darood in check and fear that losing Somaliland would lead to the collapse of the rest of Somalia.

Habargidir: While some, like the Sa’ad, are more friendly towards Somaliland, others such as the Saleeban, Saruur, and Cayr clans are staunch opponents.

Majeerteen: Their opposition is rooted in fear that if the Saadaat nation becomes independent, they would be left vulnerable to the Hawiye. They worry that the Darood would become a minority in a Somalia dominated by the Rahanweyn and Hawiye. It’s unclear how their stance might change if we offered them control over the Wasakhgali and Dhulbahante lands.

Ogaden, Geri Koombe, and Others: Their resistance is often driven by jealousy of the Saadaat nation. Many Ogaden believe that if Somaliland becomes independent, the dream of a free Somali Region (Kilil 5) will never materialize, as the Isaaq—who fought for Somali Kilil in the 60s and 70s—are seen as the true embodiment of Somali nationalism. They fear that without Somaliland, no one will champion their cause.

Rahanweyn, Eeley, and Other Bantus Midgaan Yaxar: These groups harbor resentment towards us, viewing us as elitists noble men of the North, who look down on them. They perceive us as racists who dismiss their struggles.

[barbarossa]

Anigu personally I could not care a farthing whether idoors stay or go; I am here, in this thread, because intelligence has reached me of an impending virtual alla beri or qurbani feast, courtesy of ustaad Khaalid. Basically, I am here for the food and the beverage.

[theyuusuf143]

You forget the worst of all , the qudhunbiirsay. At least dooros and huttus have valid reasons to be against us. The qudhunbiirsay have no reason. I bet we didn't
even smash an egg off their chickens. Yet they are the most full mouthed ones.

[Khalid Ali]

Anigu personally I could not care a farthing whether idoors stay or go; I am here, in this thread, because intelligence has reached me of an impending virtual alla beri or qurbani feast, courtesy of ustaad Khaalid. Basically, I am here for the food and the beverage.

You are welcome to eat with us if u support our self determination and u have no dog in. This fight since ur marexaan I don’t mind u eating and drinking with us

[Khalid Ali]

You forget the worst of all , the qudhunbiirsay. At least dooros and huttus have valid reasons to be against us. The qudhunbiirsay have no reason. I bet we didn't
even smash an egg off their chickens. Yet they are the most full mouthed ones.

Gadabuursi in the 33 year existence of somaliland have never harmed the republic never caused an uprise never shot police they are mostly peaceful once in a few years they will protest and bring out their Argentinian flag and shout dawlad isaaq dooni mayno but they will never fight the republic wa dad masaakin oo peaceful they don’t want their city to be destroyed

Oofwareen in the mountain caused more damage to Somaliland when he killed nine police officers in one day

Dhulbahante have hurt somaliland more when they destroyed the somaliland army in laascanood

Gadabuursi have done nothing to us ur being to harsh on them hee sure u have a few gadabuursi who are reer jabuuti oo kaso qeyliya ottowa and say nasty things to isaaq but ta somali bay la qabaan nacaybka isaaqa but for the most part Huto dooro wey ka dhow yihin gadabuursi is just another isaaq subclan that’s how u see it isaaq wa sideed ilma sheikh isxaaq and their godmother gadabuursi

[barbarossa]

Gedubirse waa, as a clan, the most harmless, the least conflict-prone, definitely, the most lovable, huggable, and according to a long-standing popular opinion, perhaps, the highest educated of all skinnies. Marka, I do not know exactly what it is that compelled ustaad Yussuf dadkan masaakiinta iyaamahaan u press relentless ka ah ugu raacayo? Leave them alone, man!

[theyuusuf143]

I would rather hug a Habargidir with suicide vest or dhulmahante with tooray , than qudhunbiirsay. Out of all Somalis they are the most isaaq haters. I can swear to god. I am not biased against them

It doesn't bother me to see dooros against us. Because those are people we looted stock from them, invaded or took land from them, destroyed their faqash regime, occupied their territory or killed some of their people.

And they did the same to us many times. For me dooro iidoor rivalry or conflicts is just as stable as the bariis and hilib is in the Somali diet . I can kill a dooro , marry his sister and threat his orphans same like mine.

A qudhunbiirsay is always crying or complaining even if you don't touch them. And they border With only one sub sub clan of us , Who are farmers , the jibriil abokor. Hadana waxay noo ilhaameeyaan sidaanu awaawgood dilnay camal. No more.

[Khalid Ali]

Gadabuursi are part and parcel of somaliland there for they are our country men u can’t compare them to daarood or the ignoble Hutus . Gadabbuursi. Don’t hate isaaq they just feel a bit marginalised in sharing power in the somaliland govt we the galbeedi somallilanders just get long just fine gadabuursi Anigu waligay kama baqo inay xasaraad sameeyaan isaaqa qaar balaga yaaba and are far more destructive then gadabuursi ur habarjeclo and habaryoonis are more destructive to be honest. Gadabuursi doesn’t hurt a fly really maxa ku dhacay the whole dir stuff u believed in Maad iska daysey waxaas hadda

[theyuusuf143]

It's scientific that most dir are brothers . I can even share the data here. I never denied that gadabuursi are our brothers and Somalilanders. In fact they are scientifically more closer to me than you.

That doesn't mean to accept their aimless animosity towards me. I demand respect, because I have no policy to respect those who dislikes me, in any form. Basically I am an isaaqist who doesn't give a shiit about Somaliland inclusivity.

Why qudhunbiirsay always supports anything we are against since the 60s ? Ma diinba.

[theyuusuf143]

They have no rights to bad mouth isaaq and my SNM veterans. They have every reason to criticise or depart the system we share. Yaa xaq u siiyey in qudhunbiirsay sheegtaan as far as buulaxar and arabsiyo. Waa in gebiley laga raro . When we take over the power a civil war is inevitable. And we will definitely give one third of Somaliland weapons to the jibriil abokor. Expect nothing but war in the West. Don't forget we gonna kick out your uncle

[Khalid Ali]

Gadabuursi have every right to critize the goverment the SNM thing is a contreversial issue they have never opposed the sadaat policy only in the 1980s they gambled with the daarood and allot of gadabuursi regret supporting afweyne, but we forgave them for that

By the way how are Gadabuursi closer to u then to me when my folk live near them and inter marry with them how are they scientifically closer to you makes no sense , no habarjeclo comes close to them

[theyuusuf143]

It may look strange but it's scientific , the whole southern sure clan are related to us, gadabuursi and ciise. I will share the data some other date . But you are not entirely dir. Dirnimo is muqadas in my book .

I don't mix politics and nasabad

[Khalid Ali]

So you are dir and i am not Dir , So the whole issue that Issaaq is not dir is actrually true if u believe i am not Dir So is Habarjeclo or is axmed farah only dir , Arab garxajis Ayub and toljecle are not dir crazy talk haha

bal na tus the data

[theyuusuf143]

I have nothing against gadabuursi to say what ever they want against the system. But I won't allow them three things..

1. To claim my land
2. To bad mouth my SNM mujaahidiin , including their cabdiraxman tolwaayey

3 . To always side my enemies unconditionally. This is not healthy.

[Khalid Ali]

with what enemy did they side with i want to know

what land are they claiming are u not claiming ur the same clan and qabil Dir How can then they take land from you as u say that we are not dir if they take lughaye and ceel sheikh and bulaxaar and gabiley from us , isnt it good for you dir that they take those lands from us , then that will empower your Dir