The Misunderstanding

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The Bible has too many false stories for the crucifixion story to also be taken literally.

Ironically, considering that it was apparently done by the people from whom we have the most records of litteraly every minutiae of every aspect of their doings in that era, no, the Romans didn't record an incredibly influential person being executed and then rising from the dead.

We have accounts of the event that claim to have been dictated by four men (the gospels of Luke, John, Matthew, and Mark) none of which were eyewitnesses to the ministry of Jesus.

We even have the journals of a close friend of Pontius Pilate, which offers no record of the event.
No - there are no other records outside the bible referencing Jesus, the crucifixion or the resurrection. It is claimed that some contemporaneous reference was made to Jesus and his followers by Josephus but there is some scholarly suspicion that these references were added by Christians some time later.

It's funny that the resurrection of a dead man did not make the news of the time, or that nobody made a note of all the tombs opening and the dead wandering the streets as claimed in the bible …. Its almost as it it never happened !

It's impossible that on the Easter event, the dead get out of their tombs and graves and walk around town and nobody writes it down. If either of these had happened, we'd have at least a dozen surviving accounts from those historians. Instead, there are zero.


The bible isn't a record of anything, but some historians say there was a very different story of the crusifiction that the bible fabricated to further their narrative, this account states that this fella Jesus was in fact real, but he was not the son of God,

The bible is not a record of the crucifixion. The first of hundreds of versions of the bible was written a century after the supposed event took place. It is a collection of lore, stories of past times passed to succeeding generations by word of mouth. The bible is a story.


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Christians of the 600’s (at the time of Muhammad’s life) in Arabia called “the God” as Allah. To my knowledge, Christians in Arabic countries continue to call the God as Allah.

However, the qualifications of the God of Islam and Christianity differ. Islam utterly rejects the doctrine of trinity. Thus, Allah is more or less equal to the God the Father. Jesus is seen as one of the most holy prophets, but a human being nonetheless.


the fundamental concept of the oneness of God in Islam and Christianity is different. From the biblical perspective we know that all the other prophets taught about the oneness of God, not a triune entity. So from this perspective it would be easy to say that the God concept is the same as Muslims. From a Muslim perspective we consider the God that Jesus prayed to, to be the actual true God and so Muslims will syau yes we believe in the same God as the Christians, but it is limited to the absolute oneness of God (trinitarian beliefs negate that concept)
For Muslims, they have the doctrine of the Tawhid, which means that God our Lord your Lord is one, emphasis in surat al-ikhlas:

For Christians, the God is a triun God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Three persons share the same essence (divinity) Which the Islamic doctrine disagree with, for Muslims, Jesus is just a messenger and The Holy Spirit is the archangel Gabriel, which means that Islam do not accept the doctrine Of The Trinity

From an Islamic perception, which accept only strict monotheism, the Trinity is polytheistic concept i.e associating partners with God.



In addition, Allah is both to be loved and feared at the same time in Islam. He is so unknowable, so above the human understanding that He instills a feeling of awe that inherently includes trembling.

Furthermore, the Christian conception of the God is more personal. The Islamic God is much less personal. Although the Quran talks about Allah speaking, seeing, hearing etc., it emphasizes that this needs to be understood in the proper context. Islamic God, being outside of our space-time, is essentially incomprehensible and unknowable save what has been revealed.

Apart from these differences, they are almost identical. Again, Christians of the Middle East have called the God as Allah, and have been continuing to do so implies that they refer to the same God. The differences only arise from the differences in respective religions.
Another thing to note is that you may see the Christian response to this vary based on where you live. In America, there is a constant push by evangelical groups to paint Islam in as bad of a light as possible.


”, and suggest that because we use an Arabic Name for God, we don’t worship God. The terrible logic of this is that Arab Christians called God using the Name “Allah” as well. And that’s because it’s the Arabic Name for God. So these evangelicals basically denounce their own Arab brothers and sisters in faith when they make such claims. It’s totally illogical, but they’ve brainwashed plenty of Christians in the process, sadly.




Jesus Christ will be questioned by the God almighty whether Jesus claims divinity or not. Jesus Christ is alive physically and his life extended for only he proves that he never claim divinity.

There is not a single unambiguous or unequivocal verse in the verse that Jesus claims divinity.

Jesus Christ is one of the human prophets like Adam, Abraham, Moses etc. Eating, sleeping, drinking, peeing, frightening,wondering, beginning, physical activities are not the qualification of God.




Christ said

3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

John 17:3


Christ also did not claim divinity and restricted divinity to God (the Father) alone
He did not say that he is a god or that the Holy Spirit is a god



On the Day of Resurrection, Christ will expel Christians who are considered God or equal to God

22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:22-23


Islam is the final message to humanity
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, from the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), that he said: “By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, no one of this nation, Jew or Christian, hears of me then dies without having believed in that with which I was sent, but he will be one of the people of the Fire.” Narrated by Muslim (240).
This hadith is a well-known and authentic narration found in Sahih Muslim (Hadith 240).
Here is a brief explanation of its context and significance in Islamic theology:

Universality of the Message: The hadith emphasizes that the message of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is addressed to all of humanity after his advent, including the earlier "People of the Scripture" (Jews and Christians).
The Requirement of Faith: The central message is that if the message of Islam reaches a person in a clear and correct manner, and then that person deliberately rejects it and dies in that state, they will not attain salvation in the hereafter.
Clarity (Al-Hujjah): Islamic scholars explain that this applies to those for whom the truth has been made clearly evident. If a person has never heard of Islam, or has only heard a distorted version, different rules apply according to the Quran.

The hadith is used to emphasize the importance of faith (iman) in Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger to attain salvation according to Islamic teachings.
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Abraham, Moses, Jesus , Mohmmed all had visions from God and set new laws, and they were called prophets as they did prophets

(do not eat pork, only eat kosher food, circumcision,
.worshiping God the father etc.) would be called a prophet.



Paul was a false prophet (wolf). He would disguise himself as an apostle (sheep’s clothing) otherwise everyone instantly would have realised he was one of the false prophets to come that Jesus spoke about.

Surely a man who has a vision from someone he considers is God: set news laws, i.e. to stop worshiping God the father, but now includes the worship of Jesus and abolish the previous laws.
He is considered a false prophet

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15 KJV
“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24 KJV

Paul never knew Jesus.

Paul decides to abolish the law, the law of what’s forbidden to us and doing works, good deeds e.g:



"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."


Jesus never said he was going to die for our sins. Something as major as that would surely have been mentioned at least once in the four gospels by Jesus.

Paul here abolishes the law because he says “Jesus died for our sins”.

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.” John 17:4 KJV

Jesus is speaking to God here and clearly mentions that his teachings, the miracles he performed (by the finger of God) is complete, that all his work is now done. The work God gave Jesus to do is done. Jesus could have said “I have finished all things except dying on the cross for everyone’s sins”, but he didn’t.



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The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, is infallible in all matters related to fulfilling his mission and transmitting it. Indeed, it is his infallibility in this area that guarantees the transmission of his Lord's revelation, complete and unaltered, to his community, exactly as he received it.

For example, in religious matters (such as the revelation of the Quran, the hadiths qudsi, and the Prophet's explanation of Islamic principles), he did not express his personal opinion but rather conveyed divine commandments. However, on secular matters, he could have a personal opinion,

but we are very cautious. Muhammad, like all the other prophets of God, is, in our view, a representative of God. He endured enough trials and opposition that insulting him or saying anything false about him is characteristic of an enemy of Islam, an enemy of the truth, an enemy of God.

He is also protected from committing major sins such as fornication, murder, theft, etc.

As for minor sins, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is only human, like all the other prophets who, according to the majority of scholars, are not immune from committing such sins. But when they committed them, Allah did not overlook their faults. He corrected them out of mercy for their communities, guided them to repentance, and accepted it from them through His grace and mercy.

It is believed that the prophets were infallible, without major sin. That they lived guided lives, so as to be exemplary role models for the communities they led. We reject the biblical accounts of prophets like Noah and Lot, who are portrayed as drunkards, incestuous, and so on. But being human, they could have been prone to minor errors, oversights, and so forth.

Jesus' acts of violence, even if they could be shown to be justified, demonstrate that he did not literally fulfill this description of a servant. But, it must be emphasized, these acts of violence, as recounted in the Gospels, are injustices. Jesus was not opposed to the use of violence and had no general principle against violent action. If Jesus were truly non-violent, he could not have incited family conflict and division. Jesus proudly declares that his mission is to sow discord, disturb universal peace, and bring war to the world (Matthew 10:34-35, Luke 12:49-53).

He encourages his later followers to use violence.
The Christian colonizers of the world follow his example.

12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Matthew 7:12


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Muhammad ibn (son of) Abdullah ibn (son of) Abdul Mutalib, was born on 12 Rabi 'Awwal in the year 570 C.E. (Christian Era) in Makkah, (today: Saudi Arabia) and he died in 633 C.E. in Yathrib (today: Madinah, Saudi Arabia)




All the prophets were anxious to convey God’s message sincerely and completely and this included the last prophet, Muhammad. During his final sermon Prophet Muhammad asked the congregation three times whether he had delivered the message, and called on God to witness their answer, which was a resounding “yes!”.


The Prophet Muhammad (S.) is a superman in the world. As a father, As a leader, As a man. He is a superman in this world.

The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was an orphan. His father died before he was born and his mother died when he was only six years old. Arabia at the time was a very tribal society. Orphans were the lowest class in society because they lacked protection. This left him feeling vulnerable at such a young age.

This left him completely dependent on God but also allowed him to feel a strong connection to the most destitute of people in society. The Qurʾān reminds the Prophet peace to be upon him to never forget his past and always care for the less fortunate.
Muhammad peace be upon him became a Prophet at the age of forty. Prior to that, he was living a normal life in society.

He conducted business, married, attended social gatherings, and mingled with all types of people. He did not lie even when he told jokes and never cheated in business. He had one characteristic that quickly became apparent to all those who interacted with him; honesty. He was never known to have lied and even those who rejected his message referred to him as the truthful one.


The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him had a strong presence. His charismatic nature left a strong impact on all those who met him. A lady named Umm Maʿbad who met him on his way to Medina and described him as follows:

I saw a man, pure and clean, with a handsome face and a fine figure. He was not marred by a skinny body, nor was he overly small in the head and neck. He was graceful and elegant, with intensely black eyes and thick eyelashes. There was a huskiness in his voice, and his neck was long. His beard was thick, and his eyebrows were finely arched and joined together.


When silent, he was grave and dignified, and when he spoke, glory rose up and overcame him. He was from afar the most beautiful of men and the most glorious, and close up he was the sweetest and the loveliest. He was sweet of speech and articulate, but not petty or trifling. His speech was a string of cascading pearls, measured so that none despaired of its length, and no eye challenged him because of brevity. In company, he is like a branch between two other branches, but he is the most flourishing of the three in appearance, and the loveliest in power. He has friends surrounding him, who listen to his words. If he commands, they obey implicitly, with eagerness and haste, without frown or complaint (Shama’il al-Tirmidhi).


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