Moral relativism gone AWOL or moral Aboulia?

[dhuusa_deer]

Which is it? Becuz nothing can explain the prevailing morality/ethics view in this site and among somalis in general.

Threads have been started calling for the death of gays, how god hates them...how they should be all killed, cold bloodly executed, how they should have no place in God's green and wretched earth. Contrast that moral outrage with hetero somalis who: rape and sodomize women and childen, responsible for environmental catastrophes (deforestation, millieu contamination...), kill and maim, steal and pillage...deny life and make life a living hell and near impossible, starve, discriminate, disenfranchise, disadvantage, divide, deny, destroy, debilitate, deprive on a DAILY basis.

Tonight when you go home and have a nice warm meal and about to get snugly in your home provided by fag-have-rights West, 10s of somalis will die and/or suffer from the aforementioned galore of injustices at the hands of the ever blameless, unassailable straight somalis.

What is that gets your moral hackles bristled? The fag who's done nothing pernicious to you or the hetero somali? On one side is life, the most precious, sacrosanct thing in the entire universe; on the other is the sexual orientation of ultra minority who don't present a threat to your life or deny you a right to live. What is wrong with this picture?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for homosexuality. I'm not even calling for gay rights although I commend such call and fully supported it. I too think homosexuality is unntaural.

I'm only asking what explains Somalis sudden discovery of their moral back spine when it comes to homosexuals but are mildy bothered, indifferent or in some cases outrightly supportive of those commiting life-ending, life-denying, life-threatning, quality of life lessening behaviours and activities.

Is this a case a moral relativism gone AWOL or moral aboulia?

Moral relativism to certain extent is understandable, tolerable even neceassarry. But I contend this is a case of moral aboulia -- the virtual anaesthetisation of somali's moral/ethics senses to the point where they are unable to differentiate what is eminently, outstandingly harmful, life-threatening from what at most should require civil and mild mannered discussion.

[Miss_Killa_Foodstampz]

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[Axlaan]

dhuusa,
Are you saying we should embrace homosexuality? Ma midbaa kaa tagood ka heshay huuno. lol Dude, homosexuality is wrong, a sin in Islam. Of that there really can be no dispute. We are Muslims first and fore most, homosexuality has no place in our lives. If we accept it and welcome those who are homos, we are pretty much going against Allah (SWA)’s worlds mafahantay. Waxuu ilaahey nacaladeeyey waan inaad ka fogataa, if you don’t the consequences can be deadly. Like your child coming to you and saying aabe I’m gay, or your wife saying I’m now into women…Subxanallah. Homosexuals have promiscuous sex, and AIDS is spread by promiscuity. Therefore, we can not tolerate, accept, or associate with homosexuals’ nacaladbaa ku talaa. And if you think being a fag is unnatural, why open a thread about it and promote it? How do you accept something you consider unnatural and haram? I don't get it

[LJH]

Axlaan has spoken the truth

Homosexuality is a sin- no way around it. There needs to be mass education before we think about eradicating these pillow biters though

[dhuusa_deer]

Axlaan,

You missed the entire drift of my post. I'm NOT advocating for homosexuality, calling for acceptance of homosexual life style or even showing tolerance (which I support btw).

And you are right about the higher rates of venereal diseases among homosexual community compared to the hetero. That is mainly due to the risky life style, promiscuity...the stats speak for themselves in this regard. So no debate really.

What I was trying to get at was this apparent inability to tell apart what is objectionable behaviour and life style on moral/religious grounds and what is eminently more inimical, cause of greater harm. Namely, what is taking place in Somalia on daily basis. Essentially I'm asking who deserves our moral outrage and denounciation more? The homosexuals or the killers, rapists, looters, warlords...? What is greater crime...homosexuality or murder?

If you take a look at what ppl say about gays compared what they say about warlords, rapists and murderers, you would think it is the gays who are the cause of all calamties facing somalis. That is what I mean by moral aboulia -- the virtual paralyses of conscience and senses required to make decisions on issues regarding morality, right and wrong...

Homosexuals are not threat to my life, niether are they to yours. They are not the cause of the starvation, poverty, killings, rapes, pillaging and looting occuring back home...they're not an impediment to peace or development. But the warlords, rapists, anarchists, thugs and fanatics are. So I ask why don't we (somalis) direct our moral indignation, disgust and outrage at those who take away, deny or lower the quality of LIFE? Why do they seem to pass undetected below our radars but the homosexuals don't?

Any ppl with a proper moral compass and clear understanding of right and wrong wouldn't get all huffed and puffed at the mere mentioning of homosexuals and yet remain indifferent or supportive of those who bring woe on daily basis to the poor and defenseless masses.

Not long ago, here in my city, somalis were pitching in some money destined for a warlord back in Somalia. To a WARLORD, a man responsible for untold crimes, impediment to peace and reconciliation and he recieves money from somalis. Now, if there was a rumour he was gay, how'd you think somalis would've reacted? And what is that tell ya?

[mizz_chief]

dhuusa sorry to sound crude but go find yourself a women or even better get laid, you are always frustrated, everytime u post something other than your one liners its always hating on someone or how we muslims do this and do that... calm down waryaa, Islam doesnt allow anything connected with homosexuality, and NO they are not behind the problems of somalia get that right stop making it out like we use tham as some sort of scape goat....

plus what is your point, regardless of race, main stream society doesnt accept gay people as sad as that maybe for U, most of us are actually tolerant, that doesnt mean we agree with them but its their business not mines atleast........adiguna dhiig khar ha iksu ridin

[dhuusa_deer]

Miss,

Don't have time, so will keep this short.

Who is worse in your opinion: a murderer/rapist or an innocent homosexual?

Gotta run

[mizz_chief]

obviously those who kill are worse, what kind of question is that, the fact that you have to ask such a question is ridiculous, what do u think the majority of Muslim people would differ???? if you had suspicions then clearly we will never understand each other

[dhuusa_deer]

Missy,

Did you read what I wrote? I never utter a peep about muslims, this topic is not about Islam or muslims. And you said I had a fixation, right?

Good on you that you think murder is greater crime then homosexuality. You say most ppl would think the same too but answer me this if that is the case then, why do somalis call for the death of homosexuals but send money to warlords ie murderers and rapists?

The indisputable fact is here in THIS site ppl are calling for heads of homosexuals but are defending warlords and crimes committed by their clansmen. You see what I'm getting at here?

Somali's sense of right and wrong is screwy to say the least. What normaly would get other ppl incensed and puffed -- murder, rape, mass discriminations, looting, pillaging, starving etc -- hardly gets our attention. We sometimes even support some those and those who commit them. But such frivolous issue like homosexuality that at best should entice polite societal debate, attracts calls for death. How do you explain that? What ppl in the world would spend their moral capital on homosexuality to the neglect of civil war, death and destruction, mass killings and looting, starvations, poverty, illiteracy...

[Ay iisho]

I have a really high sex drive... and i am a cute biij, so alot of guys and apparently girls too (here in SomNet) want to have Isxurbis with me... but i am soo picky.... too many diseases out there.... so I stick with one gender and one pen!s at a time ...(that is just me).....

[Miss_Killa_Foodstampz]

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[dhuusa_deer]

stampz,

could you explain why?

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