CAN U BE BRITISH AND SOMALI?

[Caydid]

It depends on how one defines a sect. I see a sect as a school of thought.

and

I don't think islam forbids it.

Shafici, Hambali, Maliki are they a bad thing?

[COOL-MAN]

Allah says in the qur'an wactasimuu bixablillahi jamii walaa tafaraquuu bro

Those you mentioned were great islamic scholars, no problem following what they taught as long as it conforms to to the qur'an and sunnah.


They taught their students to first check their source and not take what they taught at face value. they also told them to disregard it if it went agaisnt the other two above

we are told in the qur'an to call ourself muslims.

salafi ain't a sect . not atleast the ones i know. waa wax tagey in arabic and the brothers calling themselves salafis are people who are trying their best to immulate the salafs salexeen aka the prophet and his beloved companions.

[Caydid]

Coolman, how do you define a sect? Is Shiasm or sunnism a sect? Is Shaficism, Malikism a sect?

[COOL-MAN]

check my edited post again bro.

sect=group

[SoMaLiSiZz]

BissmeAllah w salato w salamo cala RAsool Ellah

Ama bacad Asalam cala man Atabc al hoda


Everyone says they are ahlul sunnah and that they adhere the Quran and Sunnah ! even shica rafaaadis nation of islam you name it the suufis ect ect..


I wanna know people who are against sects tell me what sheikhs do you take knowledge from

Prophet Mohamed Sall Allahu Calhy Wsalam Said;

• " . . . this Ummah will split into seventy-three sects: seventy-two will be in the Fire and one in Paradise and that is the Jamaa'ah." [Reported by Abu Daawood - Sahih]
• When questioned by his Companions about those who will be saved from the Fire, the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) replied: "They are those who are upon what I and my companions are upon." [Reported by at-Tirmidhee from Amr ibn al-Aas - classified as Hasan.]

Allah knows whoes the saved sect is may Allah make us among them; but what I do know for sure is we need to get some beneficial knowledge [Quran and Sunnah] it is rather a waist of time to talk about things that we don’t know anything about and turn it into hate really I don’t wish to witness the hate some humans has in their heart and they racism, that is xasad an xaqad Acudubillah if Allah has covered it why expose it in public ask for Allah’s forgiveness indeed Allah answers the dua for the sincere Muslims who repent and ask fro help and guidance.. Ask Allah to lighten your hearts indeed Allah is all able


Fe Aman Ellah

[maria from west side]

[quote="salafi_student"]I just wondered why in the world would the Brits, Yankees, Canadians, Danish, etc, etc, bring foreigners to their countries and more shockingly handout their citizenships to strangers like your salves? there must be a hidden agenda.

What do you think?



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No, only "Somali" suit's u best ..That's what u are and what u always will be.

[Copy.&.Paste]

“Bissmellah W Aslato W aslamo Cala Rasool Ellah
Ama bacad
Aslam Cala man Atbac al Hoda

Muslims Should Not Dispute Over
Non-Fundamental Principles of Islam


The Noble Qur'an al-Anfaal 8:46

And obey Allâh and His Messenger, and do not dispute (with one another) lest you lose courage and your strength depart, and be patient. Surely, Allâh is with those who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.).


The Noble Qur'an 11:118, 119

And if your Lord had so willed, He could surely have made mankind one Ummah [nation or community (following one religion only i.e. Islâm)], but they will not cease to disagree,-

Except him on whom your Lord has bestowed His Mercy (the follower of truth - Islâmic Monotheism) and for that did He create them. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled (i.e. His Saying): "Surely, I shall fill Hell with jinns and men all together."


Sheikh al-Albaani explains the importance of not arguing over differences in non-fundamental issues: "The Companions only differed when it was inevitable, but they used to hate disputes, and would avoid them whenever possible; as for the muqallideen, even though it is possible in a great many cases to avoid differing, they do not agree nor strive towards unity; in fact, they uphold differing."

He continues, "The Companions (radi Allaahu 'anhum), despite their well-known differing in non-fundamental issues, were extremely careful to preserve outward unity, staying well-away from anything which would divide them and split their ranks. For example, there were among them those who approved of saying the basmalah loudly (in prayer) and those who did not; there were those who held that raising the hands (in prayer) was recommended and those who did not; there were those who held that touching a woman nullified ablution, and those who did not; - but despite all that, they would all pray together behind one imaam, and none of them would disdain from praying behind an imaam due to difference of opinion." [The Prophet's Prayer, Alban, p. xxiii]

Insha'Allah, we have the above examples of what are non-fundamental issues and the importance of not bickering over them. Some examples of fundamental differences are: shirk, the five pillars, the six articles of faith.

************************


Extreme Differing Leads to Sects


The Noble Qur'an ar-Room 30:31-32

...and be not of AlMushrikûn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.).

Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islâmic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid'ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.


The Noble Qur'an 6:159
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

**********************************************


~~~~~~~~~~The Importance of Unity~~~~~~~~~~


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Imran 3:103
And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Shura 42:13
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Anfal 8:46
And obey Allah and His Messenger. and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: For Allah is with those who patiently persevere:


Even though some people encourage division, one thing that we all have in common and cannot escape, is that we all eventually return to Allah swt at the time of death, on the Day of Judgement, awaiting Allah's judgment on our souls!


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Anbiyaa 21:93
But (later generations) cut off their affair (of unity), one from another: (yet) will they all return to Us.



Fe Aman Allah”

Source:

http://somalinet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23307

[The Law26]

Islam is divided into two major sects---Sunni and Shia. Over the last 30 years, or so, we had a new creed called salafi-wahabi born and bankrolled from Saudi Arabia and expresses and apeals to Saudi scholars like Bin Baz. They call themselves salafi---because that is what Sheikh Albanee told them to identify without a connection to the early Salafi period-no isnad. It sounds better than being called a wahabi. He disregards and degrades the 4 Sunni schools of thought as a insideous sect, and is violently antagonistic to Shias with the promise that they are the saved sect. I was born a Muslim and rather die as a Muslim.

[COOL-MAN]

[quote="Copy.&.Paste"]“Bissmellah W Aslato W aslamo Cala Rasool Ellah
Ama bacad
Aslam Cala man Atbac al Hoda

Muslims Should Not Dispute Over
Non-Fundamental Principles of Islam


The Noble Qur'an al-Anfaal 8:46

And obey Allâh and His Messenger, and do not dispute (with one another) lest you lose courage and your strength depart, and be patient. Surely, Allâh is with those who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.).


The Noble Qur'an 11:118, 119

And if your Lord had so willed, He could surely have made mankind one Ummah [nation or community (following one religion only i.e. Islâm)], but they will not cease to disagree,-

Except him on whom your Lord has bestowed His Mercy (the follower of truth - Islâmic Monotheism) and for that did He create them. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled (i.e. His Saying): "Surely, I shall fill Hell with jinns and men all together."


Sheikh al-Albaani explains the importance of not arguing over differences in non-fundamental issues: "The Companions only differed when it was inevitable, but they used to hate disputes, and would avoid them whenever possible; as for the muqallideen, even though it is possible in a great many cases to avoid differing, they do not agree nor strive towards unity; in fact, they uphold differing."

He continues, "The Companions (radi Allaahu 'anhum), despite their well-known differing in non-fundamental issues, were extremely careful to preserve outward unity, staying well-away from anything which would divide them and split their ranks. For example, there were among them those who approved of saying the basmalah loudly (in prayer) and those who did not; there were those who held that raising the hands (in prayer) was recommended and those who did not; there were those who held that touching a woman nullified ablution, and those who did not; - but despite all that, they would all pray together behind one imaam, and none of them would disdain from praying behind an imaam due to difference of opinion." [The Prophet's Prayer, Alban, p. xxiii]

Insha'Allah, we have the above examples of what are non-fundamental issues and the importance of not bickering over them. Some examples of fundamental differences are: shirk, the five pillars, the six articles of faith.

************************


Extreme Differing Leads to Sects


The Noble Qur'an ar-Room 30:31-32

...and be not of AlMushrikûn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.).

Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islâmic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid'ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.


The Noble Qur'an 6:159
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

**********************************************


~~~~~~~~~~The Importance of Unity~~~~~~~~~~


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Imran 3:103
And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Shura 42:13
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Anfal 8:46
And obey Allah and His Messenger. and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: For Allah is with those who patiently persevere:


Even though some people encourage division, one thing that we all have in common and cannot escape, is that we all eventually return to Allah swt at the time of death, on the Day of Judgement, awaiting Allah's judgment on our souls!


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Anbiyaa 21:93
But (later generations) cut off their affair (of unity), one from another: (yet) will they all return to Us.



Fe Aman Allah”

Source:



http://somalinet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23307[/quote]

JAZALLAHUL KHEYRAN COPY AND PASTE.

somalisiz, reffer back to your earlier work above.

The hadith you brought to support sects/ group compliments the walaatafaraquu aya. it urgues muslim to stay united and follow what the prophet and sahabas lived upon. WABILLAHI TOWFIIQ.

[COOL-MAN]

[quote="Copy.&.Paste"]“Bissmellah W Aslato W aslamo Cala Rasool Ellah
Ama bacad
Aslam Cala man Atbac al Hoda

Muslims Should Not Dispute Over
Non-Fundamental Principles of Islam


The Noble Qur'an al-Anfaal 8:46

And obey Allâh and His Messenger, and do not dispute (with one another) lest you lose courage and your strength depart, and be patient. Surely, Allâh is with those who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.).


The Noble Qur'an 11:118, 119

And if your Lord had so willed, He could surely have made mankind one Ummah [nation or community (following one religion only i.e. Islâm)], but they will not cease to disagree,-

Except him on whom your Lord has bestowed His Mercy (the follower of truth - Islâmic Monotheism) and for that did He create them. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled (i.e. His Saying): "Surely, I shall fill Hell with jinns and men all together."


Sheikh al-Albaani explains the importance of not arguing over differences in non-fundamental issues: "The Companions only differed when it was inevitable, but they used to hate disputes, and would avoid them whenever possible; as for the muqallideen, even though it is possible in a great many cases to avoid differing, they do not agree nor strive towards unity; in fact, they uphold differing."

He continues, "The Companions (radi Allaahu 'anhum), despite their well-known differing in non-fundamental issues, were extremely careful to preserve outward unity, staying well-away from anything which would divide them and split their ranks. For example, there were among them those who approved of saying the basmalah loudly (in prayer) and those who did not; there were those who held that raising the hands (in prayer) was recommended and those who did not; there were those who held that touching a woman nullified ablution, and those who did not; - but despite all that, they would all pray together behind one imaam, and none of them would disdain from praying behind an imaam due to difference of opinion." [The Prophet's Prayer, Alban, p. xxiii]

Insha'Allah, we have the above examples of what are non-fundamental issues and the importance of not bickering over them. Some examples of fundamental differences are: shirk, the five pillars, the six articles of faith.

************************


Extreme Differing Leads to Sects


The Noble Qur'an ar-Room 30:31-32

...and be not of AlMushrikûn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.).

Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islâmic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid'ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.


The Noble Qur'an 6:159
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

**********************************************


~~~~~~~~~~The Importance of Unity~~~~~~~~~~


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Imran 3:103
And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Shura 42:13
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Anfal 8:46
And obey Allah and His Messenger. and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: For Allah is with those who patiently persevere:


Even though some people encourage division, one thing that we all have in common and cannot escape, is that we all eventually return to Allah swt at the time of death, on the Day of Judgement, awaiting Allah's judgment on our souls!


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Anbiyaa 21:93
But (later generations) cut off their affair (of unity), one from another: (yet) will they all return to Us.



Fe Aman Allah”

Source:

http://somalinet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23307[/quote]

Jaza kallahul kheyran copy and paste.

Somali sis, reffer back to your earlier work above.

I dont need to follow any sheikh to be agaisnt sects. The hadith you cited to support groups compliments the walatafaraquu (be not devided) aya. it urgues muslims to follow what the prophet and sahabas were based upon.

[The Law26]

Cool

Hadiths can be a throw line by any one.....I know the Somali comprehension about those guys, what hadith? Let us talk about. What does the Quraan say being a Muslim rather than the words of a watch repairer like Sheikh Albanee?

A sect is a brainwashing group, who believe outside the norm outside the Sunni norm, and are masters to keep them away silent by those guys against them. Allah SWT damned those salafis=wahabis. Do you think that Muslims like sheikh Albanee and Sheikg Bin Bazz are more relevant than other Sheikhs like, Hanabali, Shaafici, Malik and etc. They have a new sect to promote, and they think they are the chosen ones. Good luck with them. Let us have Saudi customs incorporated on our lives and justify it on Islam. Or, learn and appreciate that Islam is for all times and for all occassions. Only a brainwashed salafi-wahabi jihadist will kill or reason the suicideness of killimg of other Muslims in a mosque- Because they believe they are the chosen sect. Seriously, is this how view Islam?

[optimist_1]

The Law26 bro you need to cool down. I also dont like this Salafi movement but i think those sheikh's intentions are not bad

[The Law26]

[quote="optimist_1"]The Law26 bro you need to cool down. I also dont like this Salafi movement but i think those sheikh's intentions are not bad[/quote]

What sheikhs? Albanee and Abdiwahaab Versus Sunni sheikhs like sheikh Maliki, Shaafici, hanbali------....but wow, what we gonna do with the saudi wealth, Islam in the mosques is hijacked by Saudi money? Somalis are ready to buy into Abdiwahaab and Albanee, they are the highest bidders of Somali dilliquency? They are as a recent sect with Saudi money to be spent all. Religion for money succeeds with certain types of Somalis. Not with us all.

[optimist_1]

Thats just ridiculous those Wahhabi sheikh's are nowhere near abu Hanafi, Shafi`i, Maliki and Hanbali

[The Law26]

[quote="optimist_1"]Thats just ridiculous those Wahhabi sheikh's are nowhere near abu Hanafi, Shafi`i, Maliki and Hanbali[/quote]

Optimist

You should call yourself a salafi---hip for ignorant Muslims--higest form a sect of Muslim if we are led to believe those people. It is all the encouragement of sheikh Albanee, a watch repair man.