War on Terror Called Failure

[Freakishly_Free]

MAD-MAC..I think the Bush administration should have invaded the hearts and minds of Arabs instead of their lands if they really wanted to win this war on terror. Improving their policies and bettering their ties with Muslim nations is the only way to win this war.

[avowedly-agnostic]

Ms. Free

You leave MAD MAC to me. A nice cold beer and a chat down the pub on a summer afternoon with an ardent Marxist will correct his impaired right wing view.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Agnostic
You're whacked.

Same
Who cares who gets the blame? Certainly not me. The Islamic world can either come around or get exterminated. It's pretty simple really. Seems like it wants to come around.

[Freakishly_Free]

MAD-MAC,

You really hate rag-heads, don't you? I think i'm beginning to like you.

[Cheroke]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Same
We will continue to train and equip Iraqi security forces, pave the way or Iraqi self governance, and leave. If the Sunnis don't get on board, they will be ethically cleansed by the Shi'ites and Kurds, who we are now on good terms with. If they do get on board, Iraq has a stable democracy. Either way, we win.

Cheroke
No strategy was going to prevent attacks on embassies. You can minimze those attacks and make the price to conduct them high, but you can't stop them. But Al Qaeda, as a global movement bent on overthrowing governments and replacing them with backwards, ignorant Islamic nonsense is finished.[/quote]

Nothing in this world ends without the dreadful thought of revenge, And Al'Qaeda is known to pop up in least expected areas just when you unanticipate it.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Cheroke
That just means that hunting down and killing AQ assholes is a long term prospect. Sort of like the war against the RAF, the IRA, etc. These idiotic movements don't go away overnight. There is never an easy solution. But the good news is, they are trying to force upon people a socio-political system that wouldn't pass muster with a tribe of barbary apes. So, hey can't win. They can just continue to be annoying. The faster the Ummah get rid of these clowns, the better for everyone concerned.

[avowedly-agnostic]

[quote MAD MAC] That just means that hunting down and killing AQ ****** is a long term prospect. Sort of like the war against the RAF, the IRA, etc. These idiotic movements don't go away overnight. [/quote]

I agree MAD MAC that terrorists that seek to harm our fellow citiens in our respective countries ought to be hunt down and eliminated, but what's this "war against the RAF" you mention? Do you know what RAF stands for? RAF (an acrynom for the Royal Air Force) is the air force of the British Armed Forces. When did the US wage a war against the British?

Also, you refer to the Irish Republican Movement as an "idiotic" movement. That's not what the Irish Catholic population thought. The IRA amongst Irish Catholics were regarded as freedom fighters waging a guerrilla campaign against the brutal occupation of the British. The IRA certainly wasn't an "idiotic" movement.

p.s.Why do you say that I'm "whacked"?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Agnostic
Communism is a moronic ideology that can not work. Anyone with hammer and sickle logo must be whacked.

The Irish are dumber than a bottle of guiness. Always have been. The IRA is a criminal, mafia organization. That the Irish Catholics supported them doesn't mean they are legitimate.

[avowedly-agnostic]

MAD MAC

firstly, let's steer away from the ad hominem, criticise my stance by all means, but calling one another names isn't very helpful.

Saying communism is "a moronic ideology" is what I expect a ten year old son of a capitalist to utter . It doesn't explain why you're so fiercely opposed to it. You're going to have to justify your claim. Tell me why you think comminusm is flawed.

As regards your saying that the Irish are stupid, well that's just your opinion. I'm sure they'd have a few things to say about you aswell. But the fact remains that the IRA arose out of the brutal oppression of the Catholics in Northern Ireland. The IRA far from being a "criminal" or "mafia" organisation were (in the eyes of Irish Catholics) a legitimate force bravely reisisting the occuapation of Ireland by the British.

Now it doesn't matter so much what you or I may think about the IRA or any other given paramilitary organisation, what matters most is what the people on whose behalf they're fighting for think of them. And it's self-evident what the Catholics thought of the IRA during the height of the IRA.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"Now it doesn't matter so much what you or I may think about the IRA or any other given paramilitary organisation, what matters most is what the people on whose behalf they're fighting for think of them. And it's self-evident what the Catholics thought of the IRA during the height of the IRA."

Au Contraire. What the Irish Catholics think doesn't mean squat, because most of them are morons. It's like Muslims. Most of them subscribe to ridiculous ideas and reject obvious facts. Because there are a lot of stupid people in the world doesn't mean that what they think is legitimate.

First of all, the IRA, like the RAF, failed in its objectives and is now largely defunct. That's because somewhere along the line the Irish Catholics realized that when you get in bed with the devil, sooner or latter you're going to have to fock. So if we analyze what the dumbass Irish did in the long run, we see even those drunken bastards were able to figure out that the supporting the IRA was not the slickest move they could have made.

Muslims are also slowly coming to this realization with Islamicists. It's a slow, uphill battle to convince them that some Arab born in the 7th century doesn't have all the answers to todays problems, but they are catching on - in spite of themselves.