ISLAMIC COURT TO STONE THREE MEN TO DEATH FOR RAPE

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:41 am

[quote="xoogSADE14"]galkacyo you say? well i have no say over that but venture outside of that into say Galgaduud or come down south to say jubbaland or the wadaado controlled xamar, shabeelada hoose, dhexe and i'm pretty sure ama waad ashahaadan ama inuu ilaah jiro baad ogaan markii aaqiro laguu diro.[/quote]

I'm not talking about you, I was refering to your brethern. You know? The dirt poor and starving! THe one's that'll take succor from ANYONE.

Don't assume I don't know how somalis back home think. One think i know is they'll sell arm and leg to get to the West-- the den of turpitude.

Garaad_LQ · Post by **Garaad_LQ** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:47 am

no matter how long we argue ....we not gonna get any where ....you have your way of thinking and we have our believes ....we believe in what's in the Book "THE QURAAN" unquestionably...the Sharia Law of the Creater ....while you believe in man's Law ......and we know how unjust was/is the man's Law throught history

Gedo_Boy · Post by **Gedo_Boy** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:07 am

I'd rather be killed than spend 30 years in jail. That's "cruel & unusual punishment"

But the same people that complain about the harshness of punishments don't have any other alternatives but building more & more prisons.
I say let them come up with an alternative method of keeping order & safety in society.

There are MANY conditions that must be met before someone can have Qisaas applied to them. Someone can't have their hand chopped off if they were stealing out of hunger or extreme poverty and so on.

Allah (swt) unequivocally states that FAR GREATER life is saved by the application of the Qisaas:

178. O you who believe! Al-QisÃ¢s (the Law of Equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in case of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if the killer is forgiven by the brother (or the relatives, etc.) of the killed against blood money, then adhering to it with fairness and payment of the blood money, to the heir should be made in fairness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. So after this whoever transgresses the limits (i.e. kills the killer after taking the blood money), he shall have a painful torment.

179. And there is (a saving of) life for you in Al-QisÃ¢s (the Law of Equality in punishment), O men of understanding, that you may become Al-MuttaqÃ»n (the pious - see V.2:2).

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:46 am

I don't object to the death penalty in extreme cases, but not death by stoning. Come on, that's over the top and not necessary. Chop off their heads and be done with it.

Also, before you do it, be damn sure you have the right guy, because you can't take it back.

Cheroke · Post by **Cheroke** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:46 am

They didn't deserve to die, Where does it say exactly on the holy quran that one must be deprived of life for raping. That's just unforseen. It's not even logic.

However if someone has committed the act of murder by all means, he deserves to be killed, That statement is very clear in the Quran, I've never came across rape outcomes and how to go from that ordeal.

The rebel · Post by **The rebel** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:00 am

Cherokee

I don't know that Somali case but in General in Share'a the rape cases treated the same as 'Zina'. If the accuser is/was Married he should be killed by stonning if he never married before it's physical punshment (lashes) then he has to be punished the crime he did against the woman.. some scholers say to be prisonned for years the judge has freedom to decide.

In other hand there are some other scholers who say the rape comes under "fasad fel earth' in the Quran and not the 'Zina' and the punishment left for the Islamic ruler.

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:31 am

Rebel
The most ridiculous cases, which fortunately are rare, are when some Islamic dunderhead sentances the married woman to death by stoning for being raped . as if the sex were consensual.

Gedo_Boy · Post by **Gedo_Boy** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:27 pm

MAD MAC,

Clearly that's not sanctioned in Islam.......these 'honor killings' actually fly in the face of Islam, it's a cultural thing.

Unfortunately, they get associated with Islam. Most of the time those people are not practicing Muslims and act on their own accord.

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:07 am

Gedo
The reason people associate them with Islam is because people cite Islam when doing it. Remember, it doesn't matter what your books say, it matters what the practitioners do.

Hambalayo2 · Post by **Hambalayo2** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:06 am

[quote]Remember, it doesn't matter what your books say, it matters what the practitioners do.[/quote]

You have got to be kidding.. Think about that statement you made.

Muslims are human beings, and thus are flawed.

The rebel · Post by **The rebel** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:46 am

[quote="MAD MAC"]Rebel
The most ridiculous cases, which fortunately are rare, are when some Islamic dunderhead sentances the married woman to death by stoning for being raped . as if the sex were consensual.[/quote]

This is not legal Islamicly. The problem with Islam law is every one over the night can claim to be a scholar. If you want to practice medical, you have to have a degree from Medical school and get a license, if you are a lawyer, you need a degree and a license, also any other professional careers. But to chop peopleÂ’s hand/stone/stab poor people need no degree or license All you need is; to have a beard and wear dashdasha(Arab traditional dress) and utter few Arabic words. Then people will follow you. Embarassed

Freakishly_Free · Post by **Freakishly_Free** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:49 am

xoogSADE-You are make it sound as if i have no sympathy for the victim. I really do but come on, stoning? Can't they just lock up him? or even Shoot him?

xoogSADE14 · Post by **xoogSADE14** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:37 am

FF

rape is a crime punishable by death and shooting the bastards would give them quick deaths. the whole stoning thing is for prolonged and painful deaths.

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:44 am

I'm a cautious person about the death penalty incase an innocent person gets killed, but rapists and especiall in Somalia (if proven beyond doubt) should be killed because I saw first-hand the serious damages they cause and how they damaged the lives of many young girls and their children born out of such heinous rape. Kill them. Twisted Evil

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:48 am

"You have got to be kidding.. Think about that statement you made.

Muslims are human beings, and thus are flawed."

Soceities are judged on behavior, not on their laws. Just as you judge the US on how it behaves, not on its legal code. Most people here don't even understand the US legal code.

Islam is judged by the world based around how Islamic societies behave. How else could it be? You think everyone in the world is suddenly going to become and amateur Islamic scholar? All everyone knows is they watch the tube, and whenever and wherever they see violence they see Muslims. Translation: Your average European thinks Muslims socieites are violent.