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[quote="Gamadid."]Jamaal, not a bad idea to leave troublesome clans to their own. In fairness to hawiye though, they did bring change, but it was one others weren't satisfied with, so their positive change was destroyed in the name of federalism. They are the only somalis who paid the heaviest price for federalism while the clan based governments like puntland and somaliland enjoy their peace. It is because of the TFG they are now back to square one. The ICU wasn't recognized as authority representative of Banadir by the Warlords and their Ethiopian and US packers. By contrast, Puntland and Somaliland are recognized as representing the local clans. Endless blame on hawiye won't address the issues at hand.[/quote]

Gamadiid,

without beating around the bushes, the issue at hand is HG's claim to the Somali capital (Mog) as their new found deegaan.

The Federal system isn't appealling to you guys cuz you have abandoned your territories in favour of the Daarood owned villas, and your clans primary political objective is about consolidating your civil war loot.

the other Hawiye tribes like Mudulood and Xawaadle are also feeling captive to HG pointless and ill-fated political agendas, and want out of it but don't know how rid themselved of your scourge.

HG have even said no to Carta led by none other than your own out of fear that you will be ousted of your booli qaran mansions and farms.

you are disgrace cuz you are against any form of law and order to prevail in Mog, and for this reason you have Tigre in Mog. is this Karma?

as long as the TFGS constitution enshrines Mog as the nation's capital HG's loot consolidation project will be hard to attain.

FINALLY, Don't know if you know it but you are also responsible for the demise of the ICU. if the power hungry HG like Hassan Dahir and Indhocade let Sh. Shariif do his work, and clean up the mess.

its countless.

Jamaal. From what you wrote prior to your last post above, I knew you were narrow in view and were concerned with petty trivial sentiments based on animosities you have towards specific clan. It is a desease once you suffer from from it, there is no cure or remedy. Issues at hand and somali's problems are bigger than HabarGidir. It is bigger than Daarood and Hawiye. It is bigger than your obsession with HabarGidir.

I am sure you will find someone with a petty mind who will discuss with you about what HabarGidir wants to Hold on and etc. I have wasted my time.

My concerns are bigger than your clanish sentiments.

And what are your concerns gamadid? Xabasha "occupation?"

honestly, tell me whats bigger than my clanish sentiments today (when you are weak and spent, things do get bigger) that weren't yesterday (when you were praud and strong, everything was small to you except your tribe)
???

Giving the fault at Hawiye. Oke you can blame ali mahdi and his faasiq club for not submitting to the presidency of the rightful leader. But the whole war was started by the dictator(may Allah curse the tyrants),because he didnt step up when the somali people asked him to do so. He destroyed somalia because of a evil desire to make his subclan(specially his sons) the rulers of somalia.
There is no proof that he observed salaat(as he was atheist)so fighting against him was allowed.

[quote="Somali_4Life"]Giving the fault at Hawiye. Oke you can blame ali mahdi and his faasiq club for not submitting to the presidency of the rightful leader. But the whole war was started by the dictator(may Allah curse the tyrants),because he didnt step up when the somali people asked him to do so. He destroyed somalia because of a evil desire to make his subclan(specially his sons) the rulers of somalia.
There is no proof that he observed salaat(as he was atheist)so fighting against him was allowed.[/quote]

^^^^

keep waving your moryan flag and stop pretending to represent islam. we talking about qabiil politics and you are a somali believer of the supremacy of qawiil against islam.

[quote="musika man"][quote="Somali_4Life"]Giving the fault at Hawiye. Oke you can blame ali mahdi and his faasiq club for not submitting to the presidency of the rightful leader. But the whole war was started by the dictator(may Allah curse the tyrants),because he didnt step up when the somali people asked him to do so. He destroyed somalia because of a evil desire to make his subclan(specially his sons) the rulers of somalia.
There is no proof that he observed salaat(as he was atheist)so fighting against him was allowed.[/quote]

^^^^

keep waving your moryan flag and stop pretending to represent islam. we talking about qabiil politics and you are a somali believer of the supremacy of qawiil against islam.[/quote]


Yes iam pro-islam and pro-hawiyestate. Thats old news.
Moryan? No,iam against the warlords. ICU fought against warlords. Ina Aideed repented,he is welcome in ICU.

[quote="Somali_4Life"][quote="musika man"][quote="Somali_4Life"]Giving the fault at Hawiye. Oke you can blame ali mahdi and his faasiq club for not submitting to the presidency of the rightful leader. But the whole war was started by the dictator(may Allah curse the tyrants),because he didnt step up when the somali people asked him to do so. He destroyed somalia because of a evil desire to make his subclan(specially his sons) the rulers of somalia.
There is no proof that he observed salaat(as he was atheist)so fighting against him was allowed.[/quote]

^^^^

keep waving your moryan flag and stop pretending to represent islam. we talking about qabiil politics and you are a somali believer of the supremacy of qawiil against islam.[/quote]


Yes iam pro-islam and pro-hawiyestate. Thats old news.
Moryan? No,iam against the warlords. ICU fought against warlords. Ina Aideed repented,he is welcome in ICU.[/quote]

^^^

"Yes iam pro-islam and pro-hawiyestate."
what islam? pro-haweistan-against other somalis? aweis & indhocadde tribal fascism not an islamic principle. don't take off your hawar gedir moryan shirt.

[quote="musika man"][quote="Somali_4Life"][quote="musika man"][quote="Somali_4Life"]Giving the fault at Hawiye. Oke you can blame ali mahdi and his faasiq club for not submitting to the presidency of the rightful leader. But the whole war was started by the dictator(may Allah curse the tyrants),because he didnt step up when the somali people asked him to do so. He destroyed somalia because of a evil desire to make his subclan(specially his sons) the rulers of somalia.
There is no proof that he observed salaat(as he was atheist)so fighting against him was allowed.[/quote]

^^^^

keep waving your moryan flag and stop pretending to represent islam. we talking about qabiil politics and you are a somali believer of the supremacy of qawiil against islam.[/quote]


Yes iam pro-islam and pro-hawiyestate. Thats old news.
Moryan? No,iam against the warlords. ICU fought against warlords. Ina Aideed repented,he is welcome in ICU.[/quote]

^^^

"Yes iam pro-islam and pro-hawiyestate."
what islam? pro-haweistan-against other somalis? aweis & indhocadde tribal fascism not an islamic principle. don't take off your hawar gedir moryan shirt.[/quote]

Iam talking to a person from minority,subhanallah.

[quote="Somali_4Life"][quote="musika man"][quote="Somali_4Life"][quote="musika man"][quote="Somali_4Life"]Giving the fault at Hawiye. Oke you can blame ali mahdi and his faasiq club for not submitting to the presidency of the rightful leader. But the whole war was started by the dictator(may Allah curse the tyrants),because he didnt step up when the somali people asked him to do so. He destroyed somalia because of a evil desire to make his subclan(specially his sons) the rulers of somalia.
There is no proof that he observed salaat(as he was atheist)so fighting against him was allowed.[/quote]

^^^^

keep waving your moryan flag and stop pretending to represent islam. we talking about qabiil politics and you are a somali believer of the supremacy of qawiil against islam.[/quote]


Yes iam pro-islam and pro-hawiyestate. Thats old news.
Moryan? No,iam against the warlords. ICU fought against warlords. Ina Aideed repented,he is welcome in ICU.[/quote]

^^^

"Yes iam pro-islam and pro-hawiyestate."
what islam? pro-haweistan-against other somalis? aweis & indhocadde tribal fascism not an islamic principle. don't take off your hawar gedir moryan shirt.[/quote]

Iam talking to a person from minority,subhanallah.[/quote]

^^^^

lol. does your allah tahir aweis hate minorities? u raised him by saying subhanallah?

The Allah swt i worship said inna mu'minin al ikhwa.You are taking muslims(sh sharif,the other sharif and sh aweys) as enemies while supporting the kafiran(siyad barre=atheist).

2 many haters in this thread lol