Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

[Somali_4Life]

Istaqfurallah,majertentraitor opens topic about patriotism. Its like a hindoe starting topic on monotheism.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Somali_4Life"]Istaqfurallah,majertentraitor opens topic about patriotism. Its like a hindoe starting topic on monotheism.[/quote]

[Alchemist]

[quote="Somali_4Life"]Istaqfurallah,majertentraitor opens topic about patriotism. Its like a hindoe starting topic on monotheism.[/quote]

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="Somali_4Life"]Istaqfurallah,majertentraitor opens topic about patriotism. Its like a hindoe starting topic on monotheism.[/quote]


WTF!, I love this kid

[Voltage]

Twisted_Logic

In brute honesty, I did not read more than two sentences of your rebuttal, if we can call it a rebuttal. As I addressed with definite finality in my last schooling of you, I made it more than clear the parameters and the objectives of the debate. In the hopes that you could possibly overlook your genetic deficiencies I hoped an unseen hope that maybe, just maybe you would be able to address the topic and give me an fitting response that I could, with all due respect, sink my teeth into. This was not to be however, as your deficiencies held sway and you went on a campaign seeking to impart judgment on the late presidency of one Mohammed Siad Barre. As Luq felt it necessary to ask, what in the world does Mohammed Siad Barre have to do with this topic, I also ask what evidence can you present that refutes my central points vis-a-vis Mudulood's position in the current Somali politics/occupation?

Now again, though I do believe it is too much to ask in your humble case, I ask you to respond fittingly to my central points and that of the topic as a whole. Siad Barre is not part of the topic nor his presidency, therefore he should not be the excuse that takes 95% of your responses. While this is telling in it itself, I must admonish you in the most severest of terms and ask whether it is your comprehension deficiencies that are making you avoid the topic altogether or whether you are indeed a capable writer but seeking to ignore the topic as it shames you? As Luq said you did not manage to refute ANY of my points, why is this one asks? Well for starters I believe the Siad government as a broad based former government leads one to write more than a juicy tidbit and so because of this you might have chosen to attack it in order to seem just as capable of writing as myself but in another instance it could be that you do, in fact, feel the SHAME that I described and want to avoid the central theme of the topic itself.

To re-conclude, please address with definite finality this accusation presented even to yourself and please do not ignore it again other wise I will be forced to conclude that you are in tangent agreement with me:

---"*Two (2.)*

With the defeat of Aydiid's forces where his forces were near obliterated, his chance of ruling Somalia were close to a quranic prophetic miracle, where he was injured and morally broken, and with the loss of nearly all his weaponry, the said man came back to the Mogadishu that had existed for centuries as primarily a Mudulood deegaan and declared he was the mayor Mogadishu if he could not be the president of Somalia. Mudulood coward in fear. In an attempt to bolster supported, they gathered a conglomerate of forces including the revengeful Murusade (who attained the nickname "beesha Kuwait" after their defeat at the hands of the Sacad), etc and decided in a miraculous show of forced bravery that they would once and for all expel Aydiid from Mogadishu. Aydiid attacked. The conglomerate of forces could do none but watch as Aydiid's forces took over all the districts of Mogadishu except for Kaaraan and Medina (the only two districts that have stayed out of Habar Gidir hands even today). This is the stalemate that Mudulood has watched with anger, fear, and revenge all these years. Aydiid's forces even expanded and tookover such areas as Afgooye (Mudulood Wacdaan).

Because of this reason, the Mudulood have chosen to be the willing donkeys to whom this occupation rests on and owes most gratitude to. What other clan has ALL of it's national leaders from their warlords to traditional leaders, intellectuals to religious leaders, have all been recorded as not only supporting the Ethiopian offensive in Mogadishu but have given material support to see about an Ethiopian victory over the Habar Gidir and expulsion from Mogadishu, a long-term objective of the hapless and largely weak Mudulood. You yourself, Twisted_Logic, have been recorded on this very forum as a prime supporter of the TFG/Ethiopians and have even been addressed countless times by others ranging from Ismahan to Gamadiid. Infact, only after you have been shown of your national position in politics with the firing of Gheedi, have you become somewhat modest in your support of the TFG. Now understanding that the aim of this topic was to show that majority of Mudulood are willing collaborators of the Ethiopian actions in Mogadishu, are you not yourself the prime example of all I have explained here and part of the representation of the Mudulood as the willing donkeys to whom this occupation owes its existence to? "---

Do notice that the challenge is presented to your being for that matter and I have legitimately chosen to use you as my foremost example and the evidence for my argument in this very forum. In your existence as a member of this forum, you have continued to be the prime example of the defenders of the Ethiopian occupation in Somalia, supporting those turn-coats of that are the manifest representation of your clan, and have even been more vocal than youths of other pro-TFG clans such as the Majeerteen in your support of what the status quo of Somalia is. You are Mudulood and were only a product of your clan's mainstream position vis-a-vis Somali politics at the current and this is what I have made more than apparent in my topic and charge leveled against the dense fellow Somaliweyn. It is remarkable that the most foremost example of my theory now wishes to speak directly to me albeit in a decietful manner that seeks to drag the discussion to the Siad presidency and other areas that could be considered sublimely irrelevant to this topic. Twisted_Logic, what in reality do you have that refutes my statements leveled against your clan when you, yourself, is the manifestation of the charges I have leveled?

[Voltage]

[quote="Alchemist"]Ceyr alone ruled Merahen before Ethiopia came in and everyone knows that. [/quote]

Cayr is a national player and only a MAN could have been in a political cahuutz with us, can we say the same for Saleebaan or a little Abgaal having the weight to even approach BEESHA SADE? Isla yaab and don't be jealous of your own kin cuz they are more powerful than you.

[Somaliweyn]

Again the long essays with the usual vivid fiction in it. I will keep it short, since I am not an expert at writing long essays which can be summed into three lines.

Lets test your theory. You say that Mudulood supports the occupation because for what HG did to them during the 90s. Your whole theory can be summed along these lines.

To see whether this holds water...lets look at what happened after 1991.

I have presented FACTS about the conflict in Mogadishu since 1991. You say Aideed took over sections..wel show facts then. Because as history is written, Mudulood did not lost one inch of territory. There were countless battles in Southern Mogadishu all the way to Balidoogle which is in Lower Shabelle. As I remember Balidoogle was even captured by Ali Mahdi faction in 96.

Instead, the only group to be crushed by the warmachine of Aideed was non other than your group. And ironically you dare to accuse Mudulood of this?

Since the main part of your theory is not waterproof, the rest is basically rubbish.

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Now looking at the present reality on the ground,

How do you explain the mere fact that clans like Ceyr and Waceysle Abgaal fight side by side against the occupation?

See how incoherent your theory and tactic of dividing the resistance is?

[Voltage]

When I debate I debate, third-grade exchange of one liners is not my forte.

Where in the world do these juvenile questions such as why else would "Wacaysle Abgaal" and "Cayr" fight alongside each other come form and why do you feel it necessary to continuously rely on such childish reasoning even after I have made it more than clear I do not subscribe to such forms of discussion?

For one you make it seem as if we have already gotten into an agreement that "Wacaysle Abgaal" are fighting whereever and you also seem to be shooting yourself in the foot by showing the fracture of your "Mudulood Unity" myth. Why speak to me in sub-subclan theories when I address Abgaal you go into uproars as a Udeejeen proclaiming your unity as an umbrella grouping?

There is no reason for to address your numerous inconsistencies and waste my time debating lower-grade competitors. If you would excuse me, I bid you a good day.

[Somaliweyn]

As I said:

Writing vividly fiction and debating historical facts are two separate things.

Lets wrap it up, since your theory holds no water

[Luq_Ganane]

[Voltage]

Luq

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

I have this entire thread saved, and will refer to it whenever I want a laugh. I already have tears in my eyes right now Wallah.


I think Somaliweyn will take another vacation soon.

[Voltage]

Kol horaan kula taliyey, markhaati baad ka ahayd markaan iri "War Somaliweyn vacation tii hore oo kale la mid ah qaado yaa ku yiraahdo"

[Somaliweyn]

I think this time, Lugh will take a new nickname and thus identity like ex-DS

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="Voltage"]Kol horaan kula taliyey, markhaati baad ka ahayd markaan iri "War Somaliweyn vacation tii hore oo kale la mid ah qaado yaa ku yiraahdo" [/quote]


You did your best, lakin some people only find out the hard way.

Somaliweyn,

Simple rule in life. Don't start something you can't finish.