Re: (Al-Shabaab) stone girl to death

[Alluring]

Alluring,

Do u agree that we should cut off the hands of people who steal?

Nope. I only believe, by death comes actions. When someone dies ALLAH (SWT) the creator of all puts down the judgement. No one on earth, should implement rules on people. And ALLAH (SWT) is one of forgiveness.

[Shirib]

Alluring,

Do u agree that we should cut off the hands of people who steal?

Nope. I only believe, by death comes actions. When someone dies ALLAH (SWT) the creator of all puts down the judgement. No one on earth, should implement rules on people. And ALLAH (SWT) is one of forgiveness.

What the hell do u do, pick and choose the ayats of the Quran u want to follow?

When u let Allah alone judge and punish, u get Somalia, complete anarchy

[Kolombo]

The Quran repeatedly states that it is FINAL and COMPLETE. By coming up with this spurious argument that the Hadiths ADD to the unambiguously enjoined Suuras from the Quran, you merely playing a shell game.

This only illustrates your lack of knowledge regarding the correlation between hadiths & Qur'an verses. How do you think we've come to practice many things that we take for granted? You think if you went by what is found in the Qur'an alone, you'd find details of everything we do e.g. praying 5 times a day, how to perform wudu, etc. the essentials of Islam?

The Nabi is to obeyed 100%, and both the Qur'an & the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) are for us to respect & follow:

By clear proofs and scriptures, and We have sent down on you (O Prophet) the Reminder, that you can explain to humankind what is sent down for them and in order that they may reflect.

(Surah an-Nahl ayah 44).

I'm not about to go in to a lengthly lecturing here, take my advice & learn your religion.

W/salaam.

[FAH1223]

"As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power." - Quran 5:38

[AbuShabab]

"As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power." - Quran 5:38

Alluring refused that command from Allah.

[Alluring]

Fah,

Just because you bold your opinion and imprint a large font, does not make it more credible, and it is rather obnoxious. The fact is without the Qur'an instructing prayers, the Hadith would have nothing to look forward to. All the information, and data you are collecting are on the internet, can you find something you constructed by yourself, and form them into sentences for all of us to understand? Or is that too difficult?

[Alluring]

Actually, the statments that I uttered about the punishment is mine, not in the Qur'an. You people love to twist words to prove your opinions.

[Shirib]

Actually, the statments that I uttered about the punishment is mine, not in the Qur'an. You people love to twist words to prove your opinions.

so u disagree with the Qur'an in some respects

[FAH1223]

Fah,

Just because you bold your opinion and imprint a large font, does not make it more credible, and it is rather obnoxious. The fact is without the Qur'an instructing prayers, the Hadith would have nothing to look forward to. All the information, and data you are collecting are on the internet, can you find something you constructed by yourself, and form them into sentences for all of us to understand? Or is that too difficult?

nah these are my own thoughts and they are true

if thats all you can say, then I think you have lost this debate

you still haven't answered the question, you haven't brought forth a single verse or surah in the qur'an where it lays out the five daily prayers...

it isn't there, it is in the hadith

the hadith is not the bible, read up on imam bukhari and his students like imam Muslim

better yet, read the hadiths!

[Alluring]

Actually, the statments that I uttered about the punishment is mine, not in the Qur'an. You people love to twist words to prove your opinions.

so u disagree with the Qur'an in some respects

The fact of the matter is ALLAH (SWT) gave me a mind, to think and to make our own conclusions (What Islam is about). It is not in terms of agreeing or disagreeing, it is based on personal feelings, and I myself do not believe in cutting of body parts.

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

Those that believe in the Qur'an only, I implore you to speak with a proper 'Alim/Sheikh/Mufti.

Go and have this discussion with someone who spent their life and time studying Islam and the Qur'an. Don't get knowledge of the internet, this is very dangerous.

I'm speaking to all, online Islam is dangerous; for the most part.

Salam

[Alluring]

Fah,

Just because you bold your opinion and imprint a large font, does not make it more credible, and it is rather obnoxious. The fact is without the Qur'an instructing prayers, the Hadith would have nothing to look forward to. All the information, and data you are collecting are on the internet, can you find something you constructed by yourself, and form them into sentences for all of us to understand? Or is that too difficult?

nah these are my own thoughts and they are true

if thats all you can say, then I think you have lost this debate

you still haven't answered the question, you haven't brought forth a single verse or surah in the qur'an where it lays out the five daily prayers...

it isn't there, it is in the hadith

the hadith is not the bible, read up on imam bukhari and his students like imam Muslim

better yet, read the hadiths!

You have spend so much time on this forum, that any brain cells you had are now long gone. Listen, I stated that the HADITH was written by men (which is true), and that the bible was also written by men, I did not conclude they were the same thing. People disregard the Bible based on the fact that it was written by humans, and humans can change what they see fit.

I do not need to read the Hadith to know or understand my religion. This debate was lost when you implemented she wanted to DIE by stoning.

[Shirib]

Actually, the statments that I uttered about the punishment is mine, not in the Qur'an. You people love to twist words to prove your opinions.

so u disagree with the Qur'an in some respects

The fact of the matter is ALLAH (SWT) gave me a mind, to think and to make our own conclusions (What Islam is about). It is not in terms of agreeing or disagreeing, it is based on personal feelings, and I myself do not believe in cutting of body parts.

No, no, ur not getting it. Allah said cut off body parts for stealing.

U can't pick and choose which ayats u like and say the other ones are not my cup of tea, and I don't really feel thats right.

Now in terms of agreeing and disagreeing, do u agree that hand should be cut off for stealing as Allah SWT has told us to do so in the holly Qur'an?

Islam is about submitting to the complete will of Allah

[FAH1223]

You have spend so much time on this forum, that any brain cells you had are now long gone. Listen, I stated that the HADITH was written by men (which is true), and that the bible was also written by men, I did not conclude they were the same thing. People disregard the Bible based on the fact that it was written by humans, and humans can change what they see fit.

I do not need to read the Hadith to know or understand my religion. This debate was lost when you implemented she wanted to DIE by stoning.

Okay, so you agree with some hadith, right. I mean you'd have to agree with the fundamental hadith about praying and zakat and so forth.

And if Allah says cut the hands of a thief, then you do it. The Prophet SAW also said that if Fatima were to steal, he would have done it too.

The Bible cannot be completely dismissed as there are compatible things in there which we believe. However, a lot of stuff is fabricated.

The Hadith has several weak and unathentic chains of narrations that scholars since Bukhari have rejected, that have no compatibility with Qur'an.

And someone on the forum said that, BTW there was a lady who went to the Prophet who wanted to be purified from that sin and later on she went through with the stoning.

Islam is not pick and choose. Yeah, you need to think for yourself, but you also have to see the wisdom of what Allah SWT commands and submit to his will completely!

[Alluring]

Shirib, every time you do something it is imprinted with qabiil sentiments. So you use this, and PRETEND to present unbiased views. Trying to get one on me, is like Sarah Palin graduating from Harvard. It isn't going to work.