Shia/Sunni

[Salahuddiin]

'Cos none of my problems with shia is not about who should be the khalifa, that's why. And I can't make up three arguments in favor of that because I believe that the 4 first khalifas were in the order they deserved to be. And there are a lot of ahadith hinting that it was Abu Bakr who deserved to lead the muslims.

[Navy9]

'Cos none of my problems with shia is not about who should be the khalifa, that's why. And I can't make up three arguments in favor of that because I believe that the 4 first khalifas were in the order they deserved to be. And there are a lot of ahadith hinting that it was Abu Bakr who deserved to lead the muslims.

If you were a judge and judging between two, even though you feel one is innocent and the other is guity, you should disregard any personal judgement you may have and fairly listen to both individuals infront of you and based on what they present, you should judge. I dont think many of us can do that.



Anyways, salaam brother, I wish you all the best.

[Salahuddiin]

If you were a judge and judging between two, even though you feel one is innocent and the other is guity, you should disregard any personal judgement you may have and fairly listen to both individuals infront of you and based on what they present, you should judge. I dont think many of us can do that.



Anyways, salaam brother, I wish you all the best.

Nothing personal here sis, my dislike towards them is based on their shirk and cursing the best of people after the prophets, not on the issue who should be the khalifa. And also in this issue it's clear that shia go to extremes, or have you ever seen any sunni cursing Ali and making takfir on him based on this issue? Sunnis love and respect every one from the sahaba, shias love only few and make takfir to the rest.

Salaam to you too sis and sidoo kale kheir aan kuu rajeynayaa

[Navy9]

Salah,

A sisterly request, just shy away from describing them as being not muslims. Pray that Allah leads everyone to the right path afterall, muslims will be divided into 73 sects and ONLY one sect will be the right one as mentioned in the ahadith.

PS: Its the Sunnis who recognise the Caliphate as the title of their leader, the Shia they recognise the office of the ruler as the Imamate


I think during the era of the four rightly guided caliphs there were called Amir Al Moumineen and were not given the title of Caliph per say ( I am not 100% but will research that )

[ModerateMuslim]

Salah,

A sisterly request, just shy away from describing them as being not muslims.

why would you request of someone to do/say something that goes against their emaan?

maybe you need educate yourself about this deen you claim? do you know that if someone is guilty of shirk akbar (like the rejectionist shiites) then you must make takfeer of them or else you'll negate your own deen?


you've much to learn..... may allah guide you to tawheed and al wala wal bara.... and may allah guide us all to that which he swt loves. amiin.

[Voltage]

Shias have different religion than us. They have different caqiida, different hadiiths, different fiqh etc. Even if they believe in Allah and that Muhammad was His Prophet that alone don't make them muslims. Even Druzes and Bahais believe in that and still they have nothing to do with islam.

Khomeini wrote a book called islamic governance explaining shia creed and after that basically everybody from the culamaa of ahlu sunna made takfiir on him and whoever holds this caqiida. He wrote that twelver shia's (majority of world's shi'as) believe that everything in universum is subservient and under the authority of imams (status of Allah basically) and their status is much higher than the status of angels and prophets. He also wrote that imams have qualities and attributes that only belong to Allah, like knowing the unseen, power to control Qadr or destiny etc. Shias also curse the best of sahaba and make takfiir to most of them. They say that in the time of Prophet (scws) they all agreed to give khilaafa to Ali, but after the death of Muhammad everybody except handful of them turned their backs and betrayed their promise. Allah chose the best people from mankind to company Prophet and to spread islam. Now how come it's possible that all of them were munafiqin and after all? And whoever accuses Aisha of zina is a kaafir, because Allah Himself cleared Aisha's name in Qur'an after she was accused by munafiqin.

What happened between Ali and Mucawiya doesn't give anyone of us the right to say who was right and who was wrong and blame another side. Things are not so simple and they were both great heroes of islam. They both were right and wrong. After Uthman was killed unlawfully by a mob, islamic state was in turmoil. Ali wanted to calm things down and strenghten the authority before doing anything else, while Mucawiya refused to give oath to Ali until the killers were punished. And Mucawia wasn't alone in this idea. Before he had a war with Ali, ummul mu'minin Aisha teamed up with Zubair and Talxa (both among the 10 promised jannah and therefore among the best from sahaba) and they fought Ali and lost and in this war both Zubair and Talxa were killed.

No one here has any right to badmouth Mucawia radiallahu canhu. He was a noble sahabi of high status who used to be one of the writers of Qur'an in the time of a Prophet (scws). He was also made governor of Shaam in the khilafaa of both Umar and Uthmaan and he was in center of making jihad against Byzantine empire because of his closeness to them. He was the first from muslims to make naval expedition, and Prophet (scws) said that first muslims who make jihad by sea are given paradise. Khilaafa of Mucawia was one of the most succesfull khilaafas of muslims, and he made lot of jihad against kuffar and spread islam to their countries and strenghtened islamic empire. And he had a great concern for islam and muslims even in the height of his problems with Ali. When he found out that romans were planning to attack muslims and recapture their lost lands while muslims were in civil-war he wrote to the Caesar that if kuffar don't pull back, he will make peace with his cousin (Ali) and make jihad against romans until he drives them away from this earth. After that romans were too afraid to try anything.

Mucawia's appointment of his son Yazid as his heir was maybe wrong, but lot of the information we have about Yazid is not so trustworthy. First off, most what we find about him was written later by historians of Banu Abbas, and they had every reason to make leaders of Banu Umaya look bad. After all they revolted and took over the islamic state and massacred almost all of previous regime. And it was a noble and famous sahabi Mughira bin Shucba who gave advice to Mucawia to appoint Yazid as his heir so it doesn't seem that Yazid was so ”evil” in that time that people claim him to be.

May Allah curse the one who curses sahaba of Rasulullah (scws).

Shias even have a shrine in Iran for their hero Abu Lu'lu, the persian magian who killed Umar bin al Khattab. Shias go there to make duaa asking Allah to raise them to the level of Abu Lu'lu. Indeed, may He cast them to depths of hell with Abu Lu'lu lacanatullah calayh.

Very informative.

[Babygirl-]

Shia-Scholars-Cursing-Ummul Momineen Aisha (ra)

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Shia Scholar: Sahaaba killed the Prophet Muhammad

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Umar (ra) killed Fatima (ra) the Prophet doughter



Sheik Yusuf Al-Qaradawi

Gaalo waaxba maa dhamaan..

They insult the saxaaba.
The prophets wives.
Lie a bout the religion.
Give Gods powers to others.

Maxeey muslim ku yihin?

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Only zaydi sect are accepted as muslims, rawaafid(twelvers,ismael,bahoolis)left islam and so does the person who doubts about them leaving islam.

[djibsomali]

Bro HutuKing01!

you are not a true sufi or ahluu sunna wal jameeca.

If you were; you will never had any issue with the SHIA, cause your common bond would have been love of the prophet and his familly and rejection of anyone who figth against the prophet and his familly.

EVEN WHEN YOU PRAY AND YOU SIT!!
READING THE ATAXIYAAD!!

YOU ASK GOD TO BLESS THE PROPHET AND HIS FAMILY
5 TIMES A DAY YOU ASK THE PROPHET FAMILLY IE HUSSEIN AND HASSAN TO BE BLESSED.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Would someone who loves Prophet Muhammad´s family(peace be upon and his family) insult Bibi Aisha r.a and Bibi Hafsa r.a?
Would someone dare to say aisha r.a is evil and Ali r.a received permission to divorce her from the prophet pbuh after prophet´s death?
You cant claim love for ahlebeyt radiyallah anhum while abusing the wives of prophet peace be upon him & his family who are part of ahlelbeyt.


Twelvers abuse ahlelbeyt and worship some members of ahlelbeyt:


This is from the shia book titled ‘anwar az-zahraa :


Q. Is it allowed to make sujood (prostration) to Faatima ?
A. It has come in narrations that it is a MUST to make sujood after the salaat [prayer] seeking assistance [help] by Faatima az-zahraa (may Allaah be pleased with her).
And to say 100 hundred times while in sujood : ‘Ya Mawlaaya , Yaa Faatima , Agheethnee’ [O My Master , O Faatima , Aid me]
And from the customary and natural things with us , that when we mentione her name and seek assitance from her ; then there is no way except that we have to prostrate to her. This is because it is not intellectually correct that a person speaks with Faatima and directs himself to her and seeks from her - and then he prostrates to someone other than her.
This is because we cannot shun away from this reality, and that is if there is no prohibition to prostrate to other than Allaah [then its okay] , this is because we dont have any proof showing the impermissibility of prostration to other than Allaah. …’

[Navy9]

It has been said there will be 73 sects that will be deviant and only one will be on the right path that was not said out of the blue.


Calling someone as a mushrik is a grave, grave mistake, if someone thinks that he/she is being a true muslim by takfering them than you need to think again.


If someone sees a muslim that is deviant, he/she should pray for his/her brother/sister that Allah guides them but pointing the finger at him and cursing him will do you no good.


I am sure there are many things that Sunnis do, that can be seen as deviant but Is it okay to call Sunnis as not muslims? Is it wise to hold the whole Sunni population hostage for the deviance of some?

[djibsomali]

Would someone who loves Prophet Muhammad´s family(peace be upon and his family) insult Bibi Aisha r.a and Bibi Hafsa r.a?
Would someone dare to say aisha r.a is evil and Ali r.a received permission to divorce her from the prophet pbuh after prophet´s death?
You cant claim love for ahlebeyt radiyallah anhum while abusing the wives of prophet peace be upon him & his family who are part of ahlelbeyt.

Bro hutuking01!

What are you debating on something you don't know????
you don't even know who are the ahluu bait !
The wifes of are not ahluu bait but there are mothers of the believers.

The ahlubait are specific to blood line
like yourself!! if you marry a reer djibouti girl, it does not mean she is hawiyaa
(i think that is the only a somali understand)



Here aicha RA herself clearing up who are the ahluubait!!!

Narrated Aisha:

One day the Prophet (PBUH&HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)."



No bro you don't even know your school of thougth the beautiful ahluu sunna
I don't blame you.
Because us somali have been brained washed for generation by the salafi vodka society.
We are all confused!!!
like those claiming that their tribes have come to somalia with a flying carpet from iraq
Same ideology, mental slavery and no emencipation!!!

Good Day bro. I will do some round in birmingham and will came back to my desk later this afternoon1

[Hyperactive]

i generally believe one has to do in jihad to be on the right path.

i learned every sect makes sense when you talk to them direct and socialise with them for a while but you need time to reflect this by your self and make your researches.

ps; i believe strong twelvers[ both akhbariyen and osooliyeen] and zeydia are muslims.
majority of twelvers do not insult sahabah neither um almu'aminiin.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Would someone who loves Prophet Muhammad´s family(peace be upon and his family) insult Bibi Aisha r.a and Bibi Hafsa r.a?
Would someone dare to say aisha r.a is evil and Ali r.a received permission to divorce her from the prophet pbuh after prophet´s death?
You cant claim love for ahlebeyt radiyallah anhum while abusing the wives of prophet peace be upon him & his family who are part of ahlelbeyt.

Bro hutuking01!

What are you debating on something you don't know????
you don't even know who are the ahluu bait !
The wifes of are not ahluu bait but there are mothers of the believers.

The ahlubait are specific to blood line
like yourself!! if you marry a reer djibouti girl, it does not mean she is hawiyaa
(i think that is the only a somali understand)



Here aicha RA herself clearing up who are the ahluubait!!!

Narrated Aisha:

One day the Prophet (PBUH&HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)."



No bro you don't even know your school of thougth the beautiful ahluu sunna
I don't blame you.
Because us somali have been brained washed for generation by the salafi vodka society.
We are all confused!!!
like those claiming that their tribes have come to somalia with a flying carpet from iraq
Same ideology, mental slavery and no emencipation!!!

Good Day bro. I will do some round in birmingham and will came back to my desk later this afternoon1

There are evidences in quran and ahaadith telling that wives are part of ahlebeyt. Brother dont force me to humiliate you on this issue.

[Navy9]

Narrated Aisha:

One day the Prophet (PBUH&HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)."

Shia hold this hadith as a proof that Imamate should be in the house of Alhlu Bayit.