Udun

[oldenglish]

thanks for the joke

The bigger joke is the idea that a landlocked region with no major cities or market is going to work as a state. Maakhir couldn't work and the Warsangeli have a tighter diaspora network than reer SSC plus sea access, how is that state going to survive? Sometimes thinking with your head instead of your mouth can do you a lot of good. Galmudug, Hiiraanland, Maakhir, these little states don't work and haven't worked, take it as a sign.

What you fail to understand is the reality on ground, Warsangeli are not UNITED nor have they ever had a vested interest in running a administration- example Puntland. That is the reason why Maakhir State isnt a success. Not because we have access to sea, actually Bosaaso is part of Maakhir.

However if we were in the situation where Dhulbhantes were in we'd definetly never STAND BEHIND ANYONE. Let alone Isaaqs after the LA and now Buhoodle incidents. I think its logical for them to have a state but if they have rats like Xaabsade and others who have been animals I dont know where they are headed.

After the elections in PL many Warsangelis were ready to take arms against Garowe and lock Bosaaso. And thats just from being sidelined, imagine a Isaaq-Dir-Ethiopian invasion that would be the end of Isaaq. Hargeysa would never be safe and Berbera would be pillaged.

[Siciid85]

abaha iyo xayawaanti kudhashey was, Hawiye and Darood business men still do business regardless of what the political situation is, Putland and Somaliland do business in spite of their political diferences need i say more? you stupid somamabitch.

if I have the money, I will buy your whole family right under your nose and there is nothing your Idooor ass can do about, stupid fuck

Stupid confused dhoociil i never expected you to understand the politics of somalia , for example few months ago some raashiin which was destined for the people of galmudug was docked in berbera by the Aid groups, in return puntland furious that their port was not used instead berbera was used they blocked the road that comes out to las anod - garoowe - galckayo, that is 1 example of how politics and business have something in common if you think somaliland will be ok with some anti somaliland Rebel movements to dock things from their ports then you must be nuts, here is the difference i never said a dhulbahante individual who is not involved politics can't not dock things from berbera but i said "Political Movements" anybody is involved in a political campaign against somaliland will surely not be allowed to use our ports and your likes will end up in mandheera or the red sea.

[Galmeygaag]

Galmeygaag, you are wrong there backhome it's all about relations, trade, links,business for example Somaliland will never access to people who are anti somaliland to their ports such as Berbera , Maydh etc, the same goes for puntland they don't give access to people in bosaso port who are anti puntland.]

private business although scrutinized do have access to seaports, airports and markets to some extend. government owned business or private business who have extreme propensity towards their government might not be allowed in a foreign entity's teritory depending on contemporary relation. these relations are almost always specific and temporary. not to mention the solution which for the most part is money(bribe) Lol.

another thing to note is that, the hosting entity must have fiscal accountability for its own sake, otherwise it will effect them in the long run. with that set, both entities make their conditions flexible as they both have interest in making trade possible. over ruling too many laws is not a good look, especially if it has to do with Qabiil lol.


Siciid if Qabiil is your determining base you can always avoid buying stuff to do with other entities, good luck on your SNM mission of complete segregation lol.

[Siciid85]

Galmeygaag, you are missing the point i didn't say a fellow dhulbahante individual who is not involved in political campaigns against somaliland can't not use our ports but what i said was a dhulbahante who is involved in political movements such as SSC which is based on a hatred for somaliland then that is obvisiouly a simple no, take for example most of somalilands biggest businessmens are Isaaq such as Dahabshiil, Ina-Afdiinle, Ali Baruud, Omar, Indhodheero and they are not people who are involved in politics, dhulbahante businessmen can use our ports as long as it's not something to do with political campaign against somaliland that was my point i am sure the same applies in puntland for example if xaklo-toosiye or col.sabareey goes to puntland they will defiently be arrested straight away the same applies for somaliland but men such as Xaabsade and Abdisamad Cali Shiire nobody will bother them as they are respectively citizens and politicians part of Somaliland & Puntland.

[paidmonk]

If SSC included Warsangeli regions it would work but Sool state is not gonna work.

I knew this was a joke when I saw the ridiculous overstretched darwiishland boundaries including warsangeli and iidoor villages. I knew it was a pure dream. You guys need to stop acting stupid and get real, there is a law of physics and that law applies politically and geographically in Somalia. You are trying to break that law.

Fuck it though, you guys can dream on this section all you want, Sool will remain a severely underdeveloped backward region and my Puntland will continue to soar and dominate Somali commerce by you guys continuing to dream and my community and myself actually doing work. You have all the advantages of your MJ and iidoor neighbors, but some of you instead act like a bitch victim here and do nothing but cry instead of fixing your land. First assess your situation instead of dreaming, only then can you fix it when you admit and stop denial.

[Babygirl-]

SSC Weey Dushaay..

[Khalid Ali]

SSC Weey Dushaay..

Babygirl duulitanka anaga uun ba iska leh u cant say that hadi kale udun wuxu ku odhan ssc wa somaliland ileen labbaduba wa kuwa duulay eh

[Siciid85]

khalid ali, horta does somaliland have secret services? a darood friend of mine just came from hargeysa and he said there is a somaliland secret services in hargeysa which monitors the movements of non somaliland people i support them walle for security reasons and should be applied through all of somaliland they need to keep eye on Irhaabis like 1mansquad.

[Khalid Ali]

khalid ali, horta does somaliland have secret services? a darood friend of mine just came from hargeysa and he said there is a secret services in hargeysa which monitors the movements of non somaliland people i support them walle for security reasons they need to keep eye on Irhaabis like 1mansquad.

Yes there is ciidanka siirdoonka wuu jiira cigaal Estebleshed it in 1996

[Siciid85]

Good Job adeer Egal AUN. sometimes it worries me people like Kambuli who hates somaliland & Isaaq with passion but yet claims she has a house in sheikh? those kind of people need to be monitored.

[Galmeygaag]

Siciid

you did not say restriction are only against political movement, but "people" depending on their political orientation Lol, so dont cry foul when you have made yourself a laughing stock.
if your ideal Somaliland is a Nazi like state where an Isaaq is economically etc superior to everyone continue to dream. but do not confuse this with reality, because the maps of Hargaisa that your boast about, include many houses owned by non-isaaq rented to isaaq. if it was not for leasing Hargaisa would look empty Lol.
dhahabshiil owners may or may not be politically involved but aslong as they abide by the rules they should be able to make business everywhere, the thing is, this is Somalia and even an stern anti-somalilander can make business there by alocating sums of khad to the right person lol. the world is not square but spherical, so be sure that you can get around pretty much everything in this dunya.

[udun]

Udun the pro Puntland guy

Puntland admin was made by its people, for its people and it is easily controlled by its people. yes Puntland admin does not = the population, but the population are to some extend responsible for its governments long term actions, and in this case we are talking many years of NO ACTION NO FUNDING. it is clear Puntland does not care for the Dhulbahante population who are supposedly equal citizens to the rest of Puntland, but the question is really do you fall for the crocodile tears coming from the other population within the borders who can actually make a difference but are not doing anything about their government ?

i think it is a joke and irresponsible to say the people have no effect on a acting government. but if they had stop there atleast i would understand your confusing, but the thing is they ADD more, this time defending this government and previous admins of Puntland. they are arguing it is right of their admin to not interfere or fund the struggle of the people of SSC because the Dhullos are devided and they Cherish the lives of every single Dhulbahante ? so they rather not fund and support the majority pro-SSC against the minority Somalidiid supporting Dhullos, instead watch the SSC people fight 2 fronts by themselves whiles still claiming SSC is part of Puntland.

finally i think the SSC like the Darwiish have proved many people wrong and has instilled spirit back into many Somalis, it is extremely disrespectful to even mention puntland after a long history of economic and transportational sanction on the SSC from Puntland.

this is a time of Victory for my Rer Abti, Udun you say your Dhulbahante but you act like the puppets in Garowe who belittle the struggle of the Darwiish for mere monetary gains. and you dont even get paid LMAO.

btw: guys take this discussion to the private, people who could not otherwise pick up even the slightest intel on the events are reading in lol.

Sxb you are looking things on the outset without knowing or taking into account what has taken place or currently taking place within Reerka Dhulbahante. To put it simply we are responsible for the predicament that we are in for these simple reasons:

1. The fall of Laas Caanood did not happen in 2007. It has taken place in 2000 when the 1st small town, Guumeys, has fallen into the SL. The people who were leading the SL army were Dhulbahante. From that point until today, there are Dhulbahantes who are part of the SL army who have died and wounded in the all of the battles including latest battles.

2. The traditional elders, politicians, and military leaders of the rest of PL have come into the Sool region and asked Dhulbahante to come up two things:

a) Unity.
b) If unity cannot be achieved, come up a plan where the Dhulbahante SLer is the same as Isaaq SLer. That means we accept the death of the traitors.

In Reality, we could not achieve the 1st one and some of the traditional elders refused to sign on to the second one. We still have not decided as people how we are going to deal with the traitors. Some will tell you death but in reality reerka have not still articulated that policy.

3. The same guys who are advocating SSC are the ones who refused 2b.

4. Some of traditional elders who are advocating for SSC cannot bring 20 men who can participate the fighting from their subclans due to these subclans being part of the SL project.

5. When SL army was taking over Las Anod, some of the Dhulbahante subclans were celebrating as if they are in Janna. Actually, many of them saw the SL army as their freedom fighters. Somehow, ironically, these people are the ones advocating for this new “hot air” called “SSC” without abandoning the SL project. It is weird how these two projects are compatible.

6. The people who are calling for this trick called SSC are the ones who have refused any attempt to resolve any internal differences and any work on getting a census. Go and study the meeting in Boocame in 2007 and Buurawadal in 2010.

7. There is a section of Dhulbahante who has a problem with another section of Dhulbahante serving the highest offices in any Somali entity and really would do any thing to undernmine it. This is the reality you are dealing with today. This is the reason I want you and others to understand the internal dynamics of reerkan if you really want to understand why this family in this predicament.


8. There is an election in SL and there are many who are positioning themselves getting a position in that election and the “hot air” named SSC and the booga booga we are going to kick out SL are their attempts of being known and being heard. They are all trying to negotiate for positions in SL. Time will prove me wrong or right.

finally i think the SSC like the Darwiish have proved many people wrong and has instilled spirit back into many Somalis, it is extremely disrespectful to even mention puntland after a long history of economic and transportational sanction on the SSC from Puntland.

Sanctioned? That is absolute lie. I can import and export the Bosaso port for free. Actually, in all of PL, we are the only people who have that preferential treatment for any military efforts suchas techicals and weapons. Dhulbahante is the only clan allowed to import their weaponanry for free.

Udun you say your Dhulbahante but you act like the puppets in Garowe who belittle the struggle of the Darwiish for mere monetary gains. and you dont even get paid LMAO.

You sound like someone who hates a certain clan in PL and you are trying to hide under the “hor air” named SSC. Are you trying to undermine PL by trying to get this Harti family divided? Nice try but I think you need to get facts straight.

[Siciid85]

Galmeygaag, It's no secret that Isaaq & Dir-Samaaron, Cisse are superior in terms of economics,buildings cities, banks, money transfer xawaalado, companies etc in somaliland not because they took advantage of the resources available but because they were always mostly businessmens and educated people, as for dhulbahante like i said as long as it's not a businessman who is aiding anti somaliland movements i don't see the problem with it they can use our ports for other means but not for political reasons, nacnada igala taag marka , dhuulka wa dhuulkaygii and i can do anything i want with it.

[udun]

Waar kuwani may naga dhex baxaan maxay noo dhex cararayaan?

[Khalid Ali]

udun i dont think the ssc supporters are after abdisamad ali shires seat they just dont want the somaliland regime ruling them and dont want the puntland clan state ruling them they say They want a dhulbahante state i as an iidoor even understand that . Why cant you as an Ugaadhyahan Be ssc , Do u really think Puntland cares For your land do u think they care about farah garaad or axmed garaad or ugaadhyahan , Do you actually believe they want to fight for Your land open your eyes man. if today the vp of puntland was farah garaad or ahmed garaad the puntland policy would be the same towards your land think about it.