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this does not mean that a Muslims has to hate all non-Muslims infact you can find many descent respectable non-Muslims who don’t lie, don’t harm people, don’t manipulate and so on.. and we can have some respect for them And supplicate that Allah guide them to Islam, we can even invite them to islam and so on. And we can show them our way of life invite them to our homes and so on. And show them the true characters of pious Muslims who follow the Quran and Sunnah..
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My post was about can we Love them its not a matter of love or hate!!
the point some are trying to make here is to encourage muslims to read the quran, hadiths and other Islamic literature on their own. Form their opinions from first hand knowledge instead what other tell them. Seek other's help when in not sure. In this way a muslim will be far more knowledgable about his deen and not be easily be persuaded by demented sickos who bend Islam to acheive their evil goals.
[quote="SoMaLiSiZz"]DD and my point is can u love a non-muslim or not.. [/quote]
what does your conscience say? That is the only thing that matters. Religious ppl are no more righteous or evil than non-religionists. All ppl, no matter their believes, have same fears, hopes, desires and wishes. History tells us this.
I consider all of mankind as my brethern. I don't look at a muslim any different from nonmuslim. Even when that muslim will stone me or crucify me for leaving Islam.
Islam takes pride in not being racist religion, I grant you that. But Islam is spiritual apartheid. Your religion doesn't allow ppl of other faiths to set a foot in your two holy places. How do you justify allowing ppl like saddam hussied to enter mecca but ban the Dalai Lama, the zen masters of japan and the wise gurus of India? I don't get it.
I wish there WAS a compulsion in Islam. A compulsion to use your conscience in dealing with your fellow man. A compulsion to forgive, be kind, and tolerant. A compulsion!!!
If the action of a Muslim is against Islam it’s not Islam’s fault, Allah has given all human common sense the right to chose right from wrong.. You need to distinguish both ( islam ) and (actions and deed of a Muslims). Every religion in the world has some mentally corrupted people and they do disgusting things that their own religion is against..
[quote="SoMaLiSiZz"]are u with me on that DD ?[/quote]
No. Muslims don't choose right from wrong based on Islam but their desires and what they think they will get away with and pay least price. Just like everyone else.
Show me how Islamic laws make muslims better citizens of the world. I'm asking for tangible, verifiable hard evidence. If you can demonstrate that Islamic laws can mould a muslim into a better citizen then a non-muslim, then I would agree with you.
Still no answer. Well folks, there you have it. The same question, which cuts to the heart of the issue, asked repeatedly. No answer. The sister has no credibility. She can't answer it.
[quote="SoMaLiSiZz"]hmmmm let me get back to u on that DD its Prayer Time I must go insha*Allah .. very deep quiz ..
I need to get facts insha*Allah ( but promiss you will have an opend mind )
Fe Aman Allah[/quote]
a hint: look into Islamic and world history. Compare how other civilisations behaved to Islamic civilisations.
I can PROVE to you that no religion, islam included, made its adherents any better behaved than non-believers. But since you make the affirmative claim that Islam helps ppl choose right from wrong, the onus is on YOU to prove your claim. I'm waiting.
I gotta go too. Its the opening game of 2005 EPL season, I can't miss it. Its Manchester United vs. Everton. Should be good one.
Thank you very much sister. I’ll make sure I’ll walk the walk and take my own advices.
somalisiz, please no offence attended but, It's really very clear that you and I in different level of thinking .So I’ll leave you but before that, you asked why the West or as you like to call them ‘Kuffars’ hate Muslims and Islam. I will tell you why:
Look sister, there is a growing bias, whether it be objective or not, in the west against Muslims in general because of the actions of a few idiots in our religion. We can't deny the fact that our religion has been marred and our reputation has been deeply questioned. Ok it's a very tiny minority these extremists like you and, OK they shouldn't define the Muslim world as a whole, but what you and likes of yourself do is of such an incredible magnitude that no one can just turn a blind eye on it.
The rest of us are so good at teaching and convincing so many others that that's not the true face of Islam but so incompetent at teaching our own people that. The only problem is ‘the Kuffar’ questioning that if it's so obvious that terrorism and hate toward others is so contrary to the Islam then , why aren't these extremists like you buying it? Why is it that the majority of Muslims seem to be incapable of teaching their adherents never to take such extreme measures against the "kuffars"? also, a great number of scholars who speak against these hateful acts, why you don’t listen to them?
They all are valid questions and yet found NO answers for it!
Sister that is the reason. You left no choice for them. You are too loud and making unnecessary noises to get negative attention. So blame no one but you’re self. Thank you so much for making rest of us look so barbaric and monsters . You’re really doing a great job for who ever out there to get us and making their job even easier! Some already got us , invade our countries . Hint: Evil Bush and his puppy Blair. Again, thanks to you and Righteous dude Mr. Bin Laden.
For non-Muslims in this forum:-
First, God or Allah does not create evil; he allows it to occur. When he originally created the world, he created all things good. He created people, however, with the freedom to choose. This includes the freedom to make right and wrong choices. Often those wrong choices bring about consequences that end up hurting ourselves or other people, sometimes-innocent victims who didn't deserve it.
Second, I understand it's sometimes hard for you to trust a Muslim. However, If you read the Qu'ran, as some Muslims read the Bible, as long as you don't have a closed mind, then you will truly understand what Muslims believe .It's all in the Qu'ran, it does not mean that you will change your religion. You will have more knowledge of everything, which is good I understand the central message of your beliefs because I have read some Christianity and Judaism texts.
I don't seek to convert none-Muslims and would hope that you would realize that you cannot convert me. All I wish to achieve is a great understanding of you, hopefully give you a greater understanding of us and ultimately break down some of the divisions that have been generated between our two peoples.
However, this means that truth is relative. Which I do not believe, I believe there should be a standard that everyone adheres to. But then again, so do you. We can only find out who's right on judgment day.
I’m done here. Peace out all.
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