Where is our history?

[eliteSomali]

Somali history is a joke because every single Somali has a different story to tell.

[TheblueNwhite]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6CGt ... e&q&f=true

I guess that says it all really.

Pretty much.

Twist, shaki miyaa kugu jirey iney sheekadu sidan isku bedelayso?

[eliteSomali]

Is it only me or this thread turned into exactly what the OP was warning us against, people making their own version of history here in Snet?

Somalis. SMH!

[Based]

The blame lies with short-sighted rebels

What about the guy who created the atmosphere for these rebels? He called himself Aabo Siyaad didn't he?

The rebels were incompetent in ruling the country and setting up a new administration and in making a new constitution. But they were very successful when it came to defeating their opponent. They struck right in the heart of the country. What I'm saying that people should not be wanting to overthrow their Government in such large numbers. Siyad failed in keeping the peace. He allowed things to escalate and only managed to fuel dis unity amongst us.

The TPLF was setup in 1975 and were already fighting other rebel groups for the Domination of their Tigray territory and dominated their region before the capture of the Government. They managed to consolidate their power.Aideed never managed to successfully become the face of the rebels. Something you should be glad about. After all the TPLF only looks out for Tigray interest and not Ethiopian interest.

You've consistently shifted the goalpoasts, my friend. I do not mind anyone blaming Siad Barre for mistakes prior to 1991, as he was the head of state responsible for maintaining law and order. Every government makes mistakes, some worse than others. What I've never understood, however, is this bizarre scapegoating that would blame a man for the faults of those who overthrew him. As I have repeatedly stated, many regimes more divisive and brutal than MSB's that would make the Kacaan seem angelic in comparison were overthrown immediately following the end of the Cold War. The distinct difference between Somalia and other nations was the ability of the armed opposition groups to fill the vacuum of power following the ouster of their respective governments.

I've noticed many people make the delusional claim that the rebel groups were solely interested in toppling the regime, when in reality, they were opposition groups that chose to replace the regime by force of arms. Despite their horrible failure, their intent was not only to overthrow the regime, but to replace it. The USC's catastrophic split with other rebel groups and their eventual dissolution into USC-Mahdi and USC-Aideed that vied for control of Somalia unequivocally refutes that claim. Their failure to unify is only another example of their short-sighted agenda and their lack of political acumen, one that continues to haunt Somalia today. By contrast, the TPLF was able to effectively replace the Derg regime and Meles Zenawi managed to save his country from Somalia's fate. Had he failed to do so, it would be just as ludicrous to attribute Ethiopia's collapse to Mengistu.

If Aideed would have positioned himself as a leader of a post-Siad Somalia instead of engaging in ethnic cleansing and clan warfare against clans as varied as the Marehan, Majerteen, Xawaadle, Abgaal, and Murusade, he might have still been the leader of a relatively stable and united Somalia. It's clear that although Aideed was somewhat successful as a military leader, he was no politician. You just overthrew a highly unpopular entrenched government, you've forced the ex-President and his loyalists into a corner (Gedo), your clan controls almost the entire south after the disintegration of the SNA, and almost all the weapons caches and heavy weaponry left behind by the military falls in your hands, and you decide to not only carry out mass slaughters of civilians (most new regimes would start with b.s. reconciliation efforts to entrench their rule and give them legitimacy), but you also lose your rightful place as the new dictator to some hotel tycoon which sparks an inter-tribal war between your sub clan from Galgaduud and Mudug and the sub-clan that dominates Mogadishu, then start a war in between your own sub clan, culminating with your death at the hands of one of your own child soldiers, ushering in an era of warlordism and balkanization that managed to reverse 21 years of military supremacy, relative economic stability, development, and progressive reforms.

[kadarre]

You've consistently shifted the goalpoasts, my friend. I do not mind anyone blaming Siad Barre for mistakes prior to 1991, as he was the head of state responsible for maintaining law and order. Every government makes mistakes, some worse than others.

He didn't maintain law and order.When are burning crops parts of law and order? I blame him for the collapse of Somalia.Yes he is responsible for the existence of SNM,SSDF and USC. His actions legitimized their existence. I blame him who made it all possible that Somalis would fight each other. He encouraged tribalism.


Even by Siad's standard.

I would like to state clearly the reason for the take over of the country by Armed Forces. I want our people to know that everything is going on as usual and that no problems have arisen as a result of the Revolution. The entire country is in the hands of the National Army and the Police Force. Intervention by Armed Forces was inevitable. It was no longer possible to ignore the evil things like corruption, bribery, nepotism, and theft of public funds, injustice and disrespect to our religion and the laws of the country. The laws were thrust aside and people did whatever they wanted. No group or family can live happily if they do not respect their laws and regulations. There will be no development or any sort of progress for a nation, if the laws of the country are forgotten? The corruption has culminated in the assassination of prominent leaders of the country. Somalia was on the point of collapse, not economically and politically alone, but disaster threatened historically and nationally as well. If we look back on recent events in the country, we will see how a peaceful lands was changing to violence. Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke, the late President, was assassinated by simple soldier who did not know him and who had no quarrel with him. We will not give a chance to wrong doers and law breakers.

We will abolish bribery, nepotism and tribalism. Tribalism was the only way in which foreigners got their chance of dividing our people. We will close all roads used by colonialists to enter our country and into our affairs. We will build up a great Somali nation, strongly united and welded together to live in peace. We will make respect the Islamic religion, if necessary, by all the force and strength we have. We will make Somalia a respected country in its internal and external policies. I would like to ask all Somalis to come out and build their nation, a strong nation, to use all their efforts, energy, wealth and brains in developing their country. At all costs avoid begging. The Imperialists, who always want to see people in hunger, disease and ignorance, will oppose us in order that we may beg them. They will spread many types of lies to try to misinterpret our noble aims and objectives.

They will try to persuade the world, and even other African States, to believe their lies. Apart from these lies, they will call us many evil names. They are at present collecting arms, money and many other necessary things for them to work against us. We are very happy and thankful to see the unity of the Armed Forces and the Somali population. The nation has given us true support for which we are very grateful. Nothing will harm us if we go on supporting each other for the sake of our country and nation. Lets us join hands in crushing the enemy of our land.

He said avoid begging. by 1985 Somalia was a 2nd highest recipient of most of the aid to sub Saharan Africa. Siad took over a strong SNA and a capable police force. We were left with ragtag militias and Americans apparently giving aid. When their main objective was to install a lackey.

Siad was the worst leader Somalia has ever seen.

[Meseret]

kadarre

f-king animal if you had some kind of brain you will had build a government after 21 years, you should not even show your face in public, f-king mooryaan.

[Eaglehawk]

You've consistently shifted the goalpoasts, my friend. I do not mind anyone blaming Siad Barre for mistakes prior to 1991, as he was the head of state responsible for maintaining law and order. Every government makes mistakes, some worse than others.

He didn't maintain law and order.When are burning crops parts of law and order? I blame him for the collapse of Somalia.Yes he is responsible for the existence of SNM,SSDF and USC. His actions legitimized their existence. I blame him who made it all possible that Somalis would fight each other. He encouraged tribalism.


Even by Siad's standard.

I would like to state clearly the reason for the take over of the country by Armed Forces. I want our people to know that everything is going on as usual and that no problems have arisen as a result of the Revolution. The entire country is in the hands of the National Army and the Police Force. Intervention by Armed Forces was inevitable. It was no longer possible to ignore the evil things like corruption, bribery, nepotism, and theft of public funds, injustice and disrespect to our religion and the laws of the country. The laws were thrust aside and people did whatever they wanted. No group or family can live happily if they do not respect their laws and regulations. There will be no development or any sort of progress for a nation, if the laws of the country are forgotten? The corruption has culminated in the assassination of prominent leaders of the country. Somalia was on the point of collapse, not economically and politically alone, but disaster threatened historically and nationally as well. If we look back on recent events in the country, we will see how a peaceful lands was changing to violence. Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke, the late President, was assassinated by simple soldier who did not know him and who had no quarrel with him. We will not give a chance to wrong doers and law breakers.

We will abolish bribery, nepotism and tribalism. Tribalism was the only way in which foreigners got their chance of dividing our people. We will close all roads used by colonialists to enter our country and into our affairs. We will build up a great Somali nation, strongly united and welded together to live in peace. We will make respect the Islamic religion, if necessary, by all the force and strength we have. We will make Somalia a respected country in its internal and external policies. I would like to ask all Somalis to come out and build their nation, a strong nation, to use all their efforts, energy, wealth and brains in developing their country. At all costs avoid begging. The Imperialists, who always want to see people in hunger, disease and ignorance, will oppose us in order that we may beg them. They will spread many types of lies to try to misinterpret our noble aims and objectives.

They will try to persuade the world, and even other African States, to believe their lies. Apart from these lies, they will call us many evil names. They are at present collecting arms, money and many other necessary things for them to work against us. We are very happy and thankful to see the unity of the Armed Forces and the Somali population. The nation has given us true support for which we are very grateful. Nothing will harm us if we go on supporting each other for the sake of our country and nation. Lets us join hands in crushing the enemy of our land.

He said avoid begging. by 1985 Somalia was a 2nd highest recipient of most of the aid to sub Saharan Africa. Siad took over a strong SNA and a capable police force. We were left with ragtag militias and Americans apparently giving aid. When their main objective was to install a lackey.

Siad was the worst leader Somalia has ever seen.

when I ever i see your post I think of this song

[kadarre]

I guess i hit a homerun.

[Meseret]

f-king Mooryaan tell me how many homes did you looted in order to pay for your tickets to Sweden?

kulaa Homerun, say that to people of Mogadishu who lost their lives thanks to murder Aiideed, the king of criminals.

[kadarre]

Aideed was not the head of state. Siad was.

[Meseret]

Somalias president from 1991-1995 was Aiideed elected by United Somali Congress.

[kadarre]

Somalias president from 1991-1995 was Aiideed elected by United Somali Congress.

he wasn't even a president in Mogadishu. and you are in here calling me an animal.

[Meseret]

The armed forces of USC which General Mohamed Aiided controlled was controlling, Mudug, Gedo, Kismayio, Jubba, Mogadishu, Hiraan, Bay and Bakool, Aiideed was without debate the most powerful man in Somalia in 1991, he had defeated all his enemies, he was making victory speech in Kismayio and near Garrowe. He was more powerful in Somalia than siyad barre ever had been. Aideed was the president of Somalia and had the resposiblity of the country. He was even living in Villa Somalia.

[Adali]

Aideed was not the head of state. Siad was.

you have pillaged and raped the entire country for the last 21 years since 1991, you managed to destroyed 21 years of Kacaan accumulated wealth and development and turn Mogadishu into a shit hole of ruins and bad memories. You then have the nerve to say it wasn't Aiidiid ? Siyaad was not president in post 1991 !! In Somalia people like you should be thrown into the loony bin, I will personally open a big mental institution in Kismaayo capable of housing tenth of thousand, and there will be a ward for former Moriyaan child soldiers and their off spring. As long as we have you walking amongst us we will never have peace, you have no sense what so ever, your a danger to yourself and society.

[kadarre]

The armed forces of USC which General Mohamed Aiided controlled was controlling, Mudug, Gedo, Kismayio, Jubba, Mogadishu, Hiraan, Bay and Bakool, Aiideed was without debate the most powerful man in Somalia in 1991, he had defeated all his enemies, he was making victory speech in Kismayio and near Garrowe. He was more powerful in Somalia than siyad barre ever had been. Aideed was the president of Somalia and had the resposiblity of the country. He was even living in Villa Somalia.

Aideed controlled Mogadishu? How come Ali Mahdi challenged him? More powerfull than Siad barre ahahhaah. How are you going to compare Aideed to Siad. One was aiming to be head of state the other was a Head of state.


Didn't Siad take over a country with an Army and a Police force? Where were these institutions?

Adali what wealth are you talking about? by 1985 Somalia was the 2nd highest recipient of Foreign aid in Sub Saharan Africa. And Siad said to avoid begging in 1969.

I'm not blaming Siad for post 1991. I blame him for the collapse of the Somali state. When he took over the country. Somalis had an Army and a Police force. When he left we had clan militias armed to the teeth. The sad thing is that the head of state formed his own militia that burned crops.