None of the people in TFG are coming back: BURN NOTICE.

[Based]

I like your take on things but lets get back to reality this is how this happened. you started by making claims that abdiweli was corrupt and used tax exemptions as the basis of guilt on his part, when I explained that these couldn't and wouldn't suffice for proof of guilt , you then took on a lazy and somewhat bizarre retort which was that "I will take the monitoring groups word, whatever they say , at face value " , this was all under the pretext of the hiiraan publishing (which were later proven to be wrong...hence the apology), your inability or unwillingness to actually read the report, has resulted in you to making a fool of yourself.


The hiiran apology shows one of two things.

A: that you are a compulsive lair, seeing as how you insisted on reading something THAT WASN'T IN THE REPORT (hence hiiraans apology)

B: That you have learning disability that prevents you from comprehending what you read, this assumes that you read the report and that you somehow twisted its content in a bitter attempt at finding something that wasn't there.

You choose, I I have said multiple times, there is nothing in the report that incriminates abdiweli, and the hiiraan apology is just proof of your own insecurity and miscalculations. I will say this again and perhaps this time you will actually take my advice. READ THE REPORT.

I refuse to repeat myself to make up for your lack of reading comprehension and your penchant for circular reasoning.

Once again: You initially seized upon the error Hiiraan made as proof that the report doesn't implicate Abdiweli, and then after confronted about the other allegations the SEMG made, you claim the SEMG has no proof, in essence implying that the SEMG is somehow lying or misrepresenting the facts.

how sad to see the state your in , unable to make logical coherent argument you now rely on nitpicking what is otherwise logical retort and judging them based on your own percieved notion of what they should be.

pretentious half wit? this kind of emotionally driven outburst only show how much you have invested in a simple online interaction, and how desperate you are to pin a stereotype on me. Unable to refute my argument you instead rely on attacking my personal character and even then you somehow manage to fail miserably, instead sounding like domestic abuse victim. If you insist however in playing this four grade English teacher game I myself have a few corrections to make.
"honestly believe that sounded even remotely eloquent or appropriate in a discussion where an individual was mocking your (lack of) intellect" My intellect was never on trial your's on the other hand is clearly without guard, as you so desperately try and critique my writing, in one of the most poorly orchestration attempt at seeming; grandiose, knowledgeable, at the same time avoiding the subject all together and seeming more like a mental case. In what part of my reply did I try to seem eloquent or are your insecurities being projected, your facade shattered and reduce to hash tags and redundant dribble.
I could play this game all day long but instead I will show your emotional state of mind, your angry outburst, your perceived back alley abortionist translation of my replies, trying to make the subject of this debate my "intellect" while only digging yourself deeper, as you huff and buff trying to pass of a persona you are ill equipped to maintain.

blue-statements that you literally plagiarized from my posts and regurgitated.
red- completely nonsensical statements
black- misspelled/misused terms

When you write like a dyslexic thirteen year old Cambodian and have the nerve to question the intellect of others, people are going to mock you for your pretentiousness

btw...still loling @ subscript views

[mody21]

I refuse to repeat myself to make up for your lack of reading comprehension and your penchant for circular reasoning.

Once again: You initially seized upon the error Hiiraan made as proof that the report doesn't implicate Abdiweli, and then after confronted about the other allegations the SEMG made, you claim the SEMG has no proof, in essence implying that the SEMG is somehow lying or misrepresenting the facts.

Do you have a learning disability or are you generally def, I really cant figure out because I keep telling you to read the report but due to your laziness you refuse to read the report and instead just make allegation based on your own personal opinion desperately trying to pass them of as proof of guilt , I will say this the millionth time, READ THE REPORT. Yaa rabii its like talking to eight year old with ADD, you refuse to listen , you keep replying with your emotions instead of the fact that are right in front of you and you keep trying to boast your moral, by trying to pass of a persona you clearly cannot maintain. SAD is the only word I can describe you as. here is the score so far. There are three points; the tax exemption allegation...the funds from UAE.....the Funds from Sudan.

Tax exemption

you: make allegations of corruption based on tax exemptions
me: tell you that there is no evidence to support them
you: "I don't need evidence I will take what ever the monitoring group says at face value, their word is final "
me: "all monitoring groups are subject to criticism ...then I give a few example"
you: "I read the report, there is evidence"
me: I post an apology from hirraan explaining how there was no evidence to support that claim
you: reply with emotional retorts and try to play the role of language teacher.

Funds from UAE

you: allegations based on the fact that the monitoring group couldn't contact the bank to support what abdiweli said.
me: "how is that proof of guilt, when the monitoring group themselves say the couldn't contact the bank to substantiate the claims made"
you: "because they couldn't contact the bank abdiweli is guilty because the bank doesn't support what he says"
me: "how does the monitoring group not being able to contact the bank, be viewed as proof of guilt"
you: emotional rant about your intellect being challenged

The funds from Sudan : your last leg to stand on

you: Allegation based on initial unsubstantiated claims
me: After 22 years of civil war there are no structures set in place for managing and keeping track of funds
you: regurgitated the same thing again and again
me: there is no evidence in the report that says the fund were misused, in fact its say how the funds were used in unknown
you: go into an emotional rant about how I am "cast aspiration of your intellect"

blue-statements that you literally plagiarized from my posts and regurgitated.
red- completely nonsensical statements
black- misspelled/misused terms

When you write like a dyslexic thirteen year old Cambodian and have the nerve to question the intellect of others, people are going to mock you for your pretentiousness

btw...still loling @ subscript views

you get desperate by the post, each time unable to refute my point you instead focus on derailing the debate, I will not play into your game. Instead of getting so emotionally worked up , you should actually read the report and reply with logical coherent thought. As of right now even by the report standards abdiweli had nothing to answer for, he has been upfront and has been accessible to the reporters, and he has defended himself adequately. Faarmaajo on the other hand has been in hiding, for an innocent man he has not been able to refute any of the statements made by abdiweli and instead has relied on the undying support of clan driven emotional invested individuals such as yourself.

@ your little coloring game, I suppose you think you are clever.your kindergarten antics only reveal your true intellectual capability, if I ever need help with coloring I will let you know.

[Based]

Do you have a learning disability or are you generally def, I really cant figure out because I keep telling you to read the report but due to your laziness you refuse to read the report and instead just make allegation based on your own personal opinion desperately trying to pass them of as proof of guilt , I will say this the millionth time, READ THE REPORT. Yaa rabii its like talking to eight year old with ADD, you refuse to listen , you keep replying with your emotions instead of the fact that are right in front of you and you keep trying to boast your moral, by trying to pass of a persona you clearly cannot maintain. SAD is the only word I can describe you as. here is the score so far. There are three points; the tax exemption allegation...the funds from UAE.....the Funds from Sudan.

Tax exemption

you: make allegations of corruption based on tax exemptions
me: tell you that there is no evidence to support them
you: "I don't need evidence I will take what ever the monitoring group says at face value, their word is final "
me: "all monitoring groups are subject to criticism ...then I give a few example"
you: "I read the report, there is evidence"
me: I post an apology from hirraan explaining how there was no evidence to support that claim
you: reply with emotional retorts and try to play the role of language teacher.

Funds from UAE

you: allegations based on the fact that the monitoring group couldn't contact the bank to support what abdiweli said.
me: "how is that proof of guilt, when the monitoring group themselves say the couldn't contact the bank to substantiate the claims made"
you: "because they couldn't contact the bank abdiweli is guilty because the bank doesn't support what he says"
me: "how does the monitoring group not being able to contact the bank, be viewed as proof of guilt"
you: emotional rant about your intellect being challenged

The funds from Sudan : your last leg to stand on

you: Allegation based on initial unsubstantiated claims
me: After 22 years of civil war there are no structures set in place for managing and keeping track of funds
you: regurgitated the same thing again and again
me: there is no evidence in the report that says the fund were misused, in fact its say how the funds were used in unknown
you: go into an emotional rant about how I am "cast aspiration of your intellect"

1) The tax exemption was but one issue in the report. Hiiraan's correction has little bearing on the veracity of the report, nor does casting doubt on the legitimacy of the United Nation's monitoring group absolve anyone of the myriad allegations contained in the report.

2) If you would've read the report, you would have realized that the SEMG was reporting Abdiweli's claims against Farmaajo. Instead, you seem to have convinced yourself that they were levelling another accusation against Abdiweli. Amusingly enough, you originally seized upon this section, which the SEMG admitted to be based solely on unsubstantiated claims by Abdiweli, as some sort of "proof" that Farmaajo was guilty of embezzling funds. It's interesting that you did not seem to doubt the legitimacy of the SEMG when you were gleefully accusing Farmaajo of corruption, but the moment the SEMG says they actually have concrete proof in the form of internal TFG documents of the current PM mismanaging South Sudani aid, there's some sort of nebulous conspiracy at work.

3) For the umpteenth time, the SEMG is the mouthpiece of the UN. Their report will be the sole determinant of the Security Council's policy on Somalia. When their report states that $1 mil of South Sudani funds was distributed to various MPs and more than 10% to the PM office itself, the implication is that the funds were mismanaged. I understand for someone with your shocking level of reading comprehension, they have to spell it out for you, but most people can read between the lines. Most would regard $1 mil intended for reconciliation efforts that mysteriously disappears and ends up in the bank accounts of the PM and other MPs to be, at the very least, a serious case of mismanagement. It seems that the SEMG also thought so, since they deemed it important enough to mention in their report. The SEMG has been preparing this report for over a year, and will most likely furnish all of their sources and documents with the final copy submitted to the UN within the next week or so. I assume you'll also claim there's no proof after their documents are published. I understand you think the SEMG is unreliable or is engaged in a conspiracy, but your opinions hold little weight when this report is in essence what will decide Somalia's future for the next couple of years.

btw....lol @ I am "cast aspirations" At times, I honestly can't tell if you've just been trolling me this whole time.

you get desperate by the post, each time unable to refute my point you instead focus on derailing the debate, I will not play into your game. Instead of getting so emotionally worked up , you should actually read the report and reply with logical coherent thought. As of right now even by the report standards abdiweli had nothing to answer for, he has been upfront and has been accessible to the reporters, and he has defended himself adequately. Faarmaajo on the other hand has been in hiding, for an innocent man he has not been able to refute any of the statements made by abdiweli and instead has relied on the undying support of clan driven emotional invested individuals such as yourself.

@ your little coloring game, I suppose you think you are clever.your kindergarten antics only reveal your true intellectual capability, if I ever need help with coloring I will let you know.

See point two above. There's a distinct difference between the SEMG saying they have concrete evidence in the form of internal TFG documents that implicate Abdiweli and the SEMG admitting that Abdiweli's allegations against Farmaajo were unsubstantiated. Btw, you don't see the problem with claiming there's nothing in the report that implicates Abdiweli, and then claiming that Abdiweli has defended himself against the report, or the fact that you claim the report is baseless yet use it to accuse Farmaajo of corruption? Are you familiar with the concept of mutual exclusivity?

btw, for someone putting on airs, you seem to have a worrying habit of misusing words. There's nothing more amusing than a person doubting another's intellect while writing like a dyslexic preteen. Although I must say, you seem to have moderately improved . It's impressive that you've gone from writing nonsensical statements like, "your perceived back alley abortionist translation of my replies" and "subscript views", to the post above which seems almost cogent in comparison. Although, one can never discount the possibility of a mediocre ghost writer at work

[Thuganomics]

^
You guys still at it

[Based]

I feel almost compelled to indulge this dude's delusions.

Despite all evidence pointing the contrary, he seems genuinely convinced he's some sort of intellectual

[mody21]

1) The tax exemption was but one issue in the report. Hiiraan's correction has little bearing on the veracity of the report, nor does casting doubt on the legitimacy of the United Nation's monitoring group absolve anyone of the myriad allegations contained in the report.

2) If you would've read the report, you would have realized that the SEMG was reporting Abdiweli's claims against Farmaajo. Instead, you seem to have convinced yourself that they were levelling another accusation against Abdiweli. Amusingly enough, you originally seized upon this section, which the SEMG admitted to be based solely on unsubstantiated claims by Abdiweli, as some sort of "proof" that Farmaajo was guilty of embezzling funds. It's interesting that you did not seem to doubt the legitimacy of the SEMG when you were gleefully accusing Farmaajo of corruption, but the moment the SEMG says they actually have concrete proof in the form of internal TFG documents of the current PM mismanaging South Sudani aid, there's some sort of nebulous conspiracy at work.

3) For the umpteenth time, the SEMG is the mouthpiece of the UN. Their report will be the sole determinant of the Security Council's policy on Somalia. When their report states that $1 mil of South Sudani funds was distributed to various MPs and more than 10% to the PM office itself, the implication is that the funds were mismanaged. I understand for someone with your shocking level of reading comprehension, they have to spell it out for you, but most people can read between the lines. Most would regard $1 mil intended for reconciliation efforts that mysteriously disappears and ends up in the bank accounts of the PM and other MPs to be, at the very least, a serious case of mismanagement. It seems that the SEMG also thought so, since they deemed it important enough to mention in their report. The SEMG has been preparing this report for over a year, and will most likely furnish all of their sources and documents with the final copy submitted to the UN within the next week or so. I assume you'll also claim there's no proof after their documents are published. I understand you think the SEMG is unreliable or is engaged in a conspiracy, but your opinions hold little weight when this report is in essence what will decide Somalia's future for the next couple of years.

1: as I have stated before the hiiraan apology does not influence the report one way or another. The hiiraan report was the canvas of our early argument, we were not debating the report but snippets of it as publish by hiiran. In one of those snippets there were tax exemption claims, which you jumped on and claimed to have "read in the report". I stated early on that there was no evidence to support those claims I also mocked the report for high lighting tax exemption's (not knowing then that hiiraan had made an error). As I have stated earlier the hiiraan apology was intended to expose your blatant lie(in saying you had read the report).

2: If I remember correctly you were the one that made asinine claims about abdiweli based on the fact that the monitoring group was unable to "reach the bank"", I mocked you then for seeming destitute, "grasping at straws". Do you happen to know the man by the name of Mathew Bryden ? The reason myself and many others were hesitant about any claims made by the SEMG was because the level of influence this man has in the SEMG and his record in somali affairs.

has been the center of considerable controversy in connection with his outspoken support for the independence of Somaliland, a secessionist region of Somalia. Critics claim that Bryden, whose wife is from Somaliland and who has been known to carry a Somaliland passport, has pursued what one observer described “anti-Somali agendas,” covertly promoting disorder in Somalia on the premise that the longer Somalia remains in disarra

I said the report was suspicious because of the tax exemption claims, at that time having read the report and finding nothing substantiating it, I thought the press release was strange. I was also weary of the main coordinator for the SEMG. You on the other hand have taken this whole matter as a personal vendetta making asinine claims, and at times outright lying. Like i said multiple time you need to reevaluate the matter, and look at it from an objective view rather than an emotional one, fueled by clan bravado.

3: Dear god its is really hard to explain this to you, because of your simple ignorance and lack of understanding in somali affairs. you have taken this report in your own words at "face value" without looking at evidence and the rebuking by those accused. You have not read the report you have no understanding of the political process involved in the report you have no knowledge of the players involved in this report , and why some people question its authenticity. This is the PM offices rebuke of the report. You need to overlook your emotional attachment to "abdiweli is guilty" and loot at the facts.

The Prime Minister’s office clarifies that the said US$1 million donated to support TFG reconciliation efforts in Somalia’s newly liberated areas was in fact disbursed and spent on reconciliation efforts in newly recovered areas including Gedo, Bay/Bakool, Hiiraan and Central Somalia areas and evidence of such is available. Additional moneys were spent on political outreach to the regions as mandated under the Road Map protocols. The very fact that the SEMG acknowledges that this particular fund was channeled through Price Waterhouse Coopers demonstrates that the Prime Minister conducts government transactions in a transparent manner

http://horseedmedia.net/2012/07/16/soma ... orruption/

btw....lol @ I am "cast aspirations" At times, I honestly can't tell if you've just been trolling me this whole time.

I put that in there especially for you , I know how much you appreciate aggrandizing these otherwise trifle typos, and using them to plead for acknowledgement of your "superior intellectual prowess". I do not want to rid you of your last coping mechanism and have you abandon ship (as in our last encounter), not yet at least.

See point two above. There's a distinct difference between the SEMG saying they have concrete evidence in the form of internal TFG documents that implicate Abdiweli and the SEMG admitting that Abdiweli's allegations against Farmaajo were unsubstantiated. Btw, you don't see the problem with claiming there's nothing in the report that implicates Abdiweli, and then claiming that Abdiweli has defended himself against the report, or the fact that you claim the report is baseless yet use it to accuse Farmaajo of corruption? Are you familiar with the concept of mutual exclusivity?

btw, for someone putting on airs, you seem to have a worrying habit of misusing words. There's nothing more amusing than a person doubting another's intellect while writing like a dyslexic preteen. Although I must say, you seem to have moderately improved . It's impressive that you've gone from writing nonsensical statements like, "your perceived back alley abortionist translation of my replies" and "subscript views", to the post above which seems almost cogent in comparison. Although, one can never discount the possibility of a mediocre ghost writer at work

I would really be interested in this evidence you speak of, throughout this debate you have been harping about how the SEMG has internal TGF documents, and when asked to show those documents you have relied on the tired excuse "I will take it at face value ". Do you see the level of desperation in you argument, saying that you have evidence but not being able to furnish that evidence. Abdiweli claims that faarmajos administration mismanaged funds it was up to the SEMG to refute or confirm these claims, instead they have "leaked" a report that seems to do neither, and instead relies on the emotions of people like you to fill in the rest.

For someone who seems so desperate to maintain a persona of an intellectual you seem completely and hopeless uninformed, you have also shown a level of diminished sagacity , that correlates with my earlier claims that you were a mimicking monkey unable to put two and two together, your over the top recycling; of word of the day phrases, argumentative fallacies and sub-par portrayal of the "wise man", do little to mask your degenerative cerebration. I would suggest next time choosing your battle so as not to seem like an over emotional imbecile.

[Based]

1: as I have stated before the hiiraan apology does not influence the report one way or another. The hiiraan report was the canvas of our early argument, we were not debating the report but snippets of it as publish by hiiran. In one of those snippets there were tax exemption claims, which you jumped on and claimed to have "read in the report". I stated early on that there was no evidence to support those claims I also mocked the report for high lighting tax exemption's (not knowing then that hiiraan had made an error). As I have stated earlier the hiiraan apology was intended to expose your blatant lie(in saying you had read the report).

If you mocked the report for highlighting tax exemptions prior to finding out that Hiiraan had made an error in their article, doesn't that necessarily mean you didn't read the report and instead relied on Hiiraan's press release?

The fact that you intially claimed to have read the report, and now implicitly admit to not reading it prior to Hiiraan's correction (while accusing me of not reading it) speaks volumes.

1) The tax exemption was but one issue in the report. Hiiraan's correction has little bearing on the veracity of the report, nor does casting doubt on the legitimacy of the United Nation's monitoring group absolve anyone of the myriad allegations contained in the report.

lol, another bizarre rant that has little to do with the fact that you clearly did not read the report and had to wait nearly 3 days until Hiiraan published a correction to reply to my post. You've yet to actually respond to any of the major points of my posts, and instead chose to post Hiiraan's correction as some sort of "proof" of a conspiracy against Abdiweli, never mind the other allegations the SEMG leveled against him.

You have yet to address the many claims the SEMG leveled against Abdiweli, and instead predicated your entire argument on the fact that Hiiraan corrected a slight mistake they made, as if that has any bearing on the veracity of the SEMG report or as if Hiiraan was the sole outlet that published the entirety of the report. It literally took you three days to respond, and only then after Hiiraan edited their article.

The above posts are responses to the same exact argument you've consistently reworded and reposted throughout this thread, as if continuously making the same facetious claims will somehow validate them.

2: If I remember correctly you were the one that made asinine claims about abdiweli based on the fact that the monitoring group was unable to "reach the bank"", I mocked you then for seeming destitute, "grasping at straws". Do you happen to know the man by the name of Mathew Bryden ? The reason myself and many others were hesitant about any claims made by the SEMG was because the level of influence this man has in the SEMG and his record in somali affairs.

Btw, you don't see the problem with claiming there's nothing in the report that implicates Abdiweli, and then claiming that Abdiweli has defended himself against the report, or the fact that you claim the report is baseless yet use it to accuse Farmaajo of corruption? Are you familiar with the concept of mutual exclusivity?

Honestly, do you understand why I find you so ridiculous? Can you not see that your arguments are diametrically opposed to one another?

I said the report was suspicious because of the tax exemption claims, at that time having read the report and finding nothing substantiating it, I thought the press release was strange. I was also weary of the main coordinator for the SEMG. You on the other hand have taken this whole matter as a personal vendetta making asinine claims, and at times outright lying. Like i said multiple time you need to reevaluate the matter, and look at it from an objective view rather than an emotional one, fueled by clan bravado.

Did you not just write :

1: as I have stated before the hiiraan apology does not influence the report one way or another. The hiiraan report was the canvas of our early argument, we were not debating the report but snippets of it as publish by hiiran. In one of those snippets there were tax exemption claims, which you jumped on and claimed to have "read in the report". I stated early on that there was no evidence to support those claims I also mocked the report for high lighting tax exemption's (not knowing then that hiiraan had made an error). As I have stated earlier the hiiraan apology was intended to expose your blatant lie(in saying you had read the report).

If you mocked the report for highlighting tax exemptions prior to finding out that Hiiraan had made an error in their article, doesn't that necessarily mean you didn't read the report and instead relied on Hiiraan's press release? Sadly, it seems that you're getting your lies mixed up.

3: Dear god its is really hard to explain this to you, because of your simple ignorance and lack of understanding in somali affairs. you have taken this report in your own words at "face value" without looking at evidence and the rebuking by those accused. You have not read the report you have no understanding of the political process involved in the report you have no knowledge of the players involved in this report , and why some people question its authenticity. This is the PM offices rebuke of the report. You need to overlook your emotional attachment to "abdiweli is guilty" and loot at the facts.

If nothing in this report accuses Abdiweli of corruption, as you've bizarrely claimed a number of time now, why would he feel the need to rebuke anything? If you would've read my posts, you can see that I've never actually accused Abdiweli of anything, but merely discussed what the report alleged, while you consistently claimed that the report didn't allege anything and implied on numerous occasions that there was some sort of conspiracy. Once again:

Btw, you don't see the problem with claiming there's nothing in the report that implicates Abdiweli, and then claiming that Abdiweli has defended himself against the report, or the fact that you claim the report is baseless yet use it to accuse Farmaajo of corruption? Are you familiar with the concept of mutual exclusivity?

I put that in there especially for you , I know how much you appreciate aggrandizing these otherwise trifle typos, and using them to plead for acknowledgement of your "superior intellectual prowess". I do not want to rid you of your last coping mechanism and have you abandon ship (as in our last encounter), not yet at least.

Coming from the man who earlier wrote, "your perceived back alley abortionist translation of my replies" and thought subscript was an acceptable synonym for inferior outside of a printing context, I think you'll understand if I take your claims with a grain of salt.

I would really be interested in this evidence you speak of, throughout this debate you have been harping about how the SEMG has internal TGF documents, and when asked to show those documents you have relied on the tired excuse "I will take it at face value ". Do you see the level of desperation in you argument, saying that you have evidence but not being able to furnish that evidence. Abdiweli claims that faarmajos administration mismanaged funds it was up to the SEMG to refute or confirm these claims, instead they have "leaked" a report that seems to do neither, and instead relies on the emotions of people like you to fill in the rest.

For someone who seems so desperate to maintain a persona of an intellectual you seem completely and hopeless uninformed, you have also shown a level of diminished sagacity , that correlates with my earlier claims that you were a mimicking monkey unable to put two and two together, your over the top recycling; of word of the day phrases, argumentative fallacies and sub-par portrayal of the "wise man", do little to mask your degenerative cerebration. I would suggest next time choosing your battle so as not to seem like an over emotional imbecile.

I understand you hold the view that the UN is some sort of nefarious organization that seeks to defame your precious Abdiweli, but once again, regardless of whatever a snet forumer says, this report will determine the course of Somalia's political future for the next decade. The final draft of this report will be presented to the Security Council within the next few weeks, and will set the tone for the SCs policy on Somalia. Regardless of whatever overwhelming proof they present, you have already hedged your bet by also calling into question the motives of the monitoring group and the UN, despite using the very same report as proof of the guilt of Farmaajo et al.

As for your last paragraph, I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt just how intellectually insecure you are. From your penchant of abusing the English language, to your habit of misusing synonyms and misunderstanding the concept of context (still loling @ subscript views), to the fact that you seem to have discovered a hitherto unknown form of logic that incorporates circular reasoning and mutually exclusive premises, I'd say it's more than obvious you're a pretentious half-wit that's simply trying to get in the last word.

I assume your next post will read something like:

Yaa rabi, your arguments are not logical coherent cogent statements. You are desperately traying to pass of a persona of an intellect, but you are desperately emotional invested in the outcome of this thread. Your degenerative cerebration and subscript back alley abortionist views of the world indicates your lack of sagacity. Btw, here's the same argument I've used for the past week again until you abandon ship and I win by repeating the same argument I've used for the past week again until you abandon ship and I win by repeating....ad nauseam.

My next post:



Your next post:

[mody21]

I don't know why I expected you to understand anything I write, having read your countless dazed retorts and pleads to reiterate every single word I write, under the guise of "correcting me", time and again I have had to simplify my writing for your convenience, a lesser person would be frustrated, but I understand the need to educate the willfully ignorant. I suppose I will have to simplify this as well, please read this carefully. As you have noticed by now I like things to be in order, I have read your reply and I will rebuke in a categorical manner, here are the categories.
1:who Did or did not read the report
2: my early suspicion of the report .
3: The Report Itself; Those accused and Evidence
4: miscellaneous (your degenerative rants and emotional outbursts)

If you mocked the report for highlighting tax exemptions prior to finding out that Hiiraan had made an error in their article, doesn't that necessarily mean you didn't read the report and instead relied on Hiiraan's press release?

The fact that you intially claimed to have read the report, and now implicitly admit to not reading it prior to Hiiraan's correction (while accusing me of not reading it) speaks volumes.

[1] : who did or did not read the report
I told you in facile terms that I was suspicious of the report initially because I had read the hiiraan report, from there I read the actual report (skimmed through it) and between the two there were discrepancies , initially having known the main man behind the report , Mathew Bryden I placed the blame on the report as did my puntlander and those in the international community who knew mathew bryden, if I had said hiiraan is lying you would have as equal accused me of being "paranoid" or insinuating a "conspiracy against abdiweli" . The quotes below quote explains this . if you had read my reply or in your case had logical reasoning or the power of deduction, you would have known this.

I said the report was suspicious because of the tax exemption claims, at that time having read the report and finding nothing substantiating it, I thought the press release was strange. I was also weary of the main coordinator for the SEMG. You on the other hand have taken this whole matter as a personal vendetta making asinine claims, and at times outright lying. Like i said multiple time you need to reevaluate the matter, and look at it from an objective view rather than an emotional one, fueled by clan bravado.

1: as I have stated before the hiiraan apology does not influence the report one way or another. The hiiraan report was the canvas of our early argument, we were not debating the report but snippets of it as publish by hiiran. In one of those snippets there were tax exemption claims, which you jumped on and claimed to have "read in the report". I stated early on that there was no evidence to support those claims I also mocked the report for high lighting tax exemption's (not knowing then that hiiraan had made an error). As I have stated earlier the hiiraan apology was intended to expose your blatant lie(in saying you had read the report).

You on the other hand at first made a lazy retort that you would take the report "at face value" , at that time not even having read the report , you were actually taking the article by hiiraan about the report at face value, when I called you out on this , you then tried to claim you had read the report by accusing me of not reading the report (mirror man games of yours). I stated emphatically from early (below quote )on that there was no evidence to incriminate abdiweli , nor was there any evidence of tax exemption claims, again having thought that the hiiraan article was completely accurate and seeing no evidence to support it in the "leaked report", coupled with my suspicion of anything relating to mathew bryden.

There is actually nothing in the report that says there were high volumes of tax exemption, it only states that the PM requested tax exemption for certian companies he claimed were working with the TGF, there is actually absolutely nothing and I mean nothing dodgy about that what so ever, its like saying the president of the united states had a metting with the vice president and writing that in a report that alleges corruption, in a way it make gullible people like you who have their on agendas try to make that something wrong or worthy of suspicion when in fact that is in the job description of most public services workers. This is one of the things that made me suspicious about this report, which is at this point a "leak" (which in the wistleblower community is a another word for unreliable). If you want to claim abdiweli is in the wrong because he did something that was completely within his work field but that seemed "dodgy" then by all means.

[2] : my early suspicion of the report.
as I have stated above , having read the article from hiiraan, and having thought the report was accurate , in this case accuracy being judged by the fact that it was not refuted or rebuked by the SEMG. I thought the article was at some level endorsed by the SEMG, and seeing as some claims in the article were not substantiated by the contents of the leaked report I voiced my suspicions. I was also suspicious of anything matthew bryden was involved with a long time pro secessionist and a man some in the international community claimed was "covertly promoting disorder in Somalia on the premise that the longer Somalia remains in disarray, the greater the likelihood that Somaliland will eventually receive international recognition as a free state".

Mathew Bryden:

is a Canadian authority on Africa with a special focus on the Horn of Africa. He has worked in various capacities for organizations with interests in that continent, including the United Nations, and has been the center of considerable controversy in connection with his outspoken support for the independence of Somaliland, a secessionist region of Somalia. Critics claim that Bryden, whose wife is from Somaliland and who has been known to carry a Somaliland passport, has pursued what one observer described “anti-Somali agendas,” covertly promoting disorder in Somalia on the premise that the longer Somalia remains in disarray, the greater the likelihood that Somaliland will eventually receive international recognition as a free state.[1][2] Bryden has edited books of essays on Puntland and Somaliland, as well as numerous articles and reports on other parts of the Horn of Africa region. He is a Canadian national but is known to carry a Somaliland passport.

[3] : The report itself; Those accused and Evidence.
There are three aspects to the report concerning abdiweli, in the eyes of emotional clan driven individuals.
1: tax exemption claims: DEBUNKED

2: UAE
this is actually not something that can logically be levied against a person , you cant claim someone is guilty because you were unable to confirm accusation that they made against another person, you on the other hand took the fact that the SEMG couldn't contact the bank as proof of guilt on abdiweli part. Here is the claim you made. If you want to further ague this point let me know.

3: Sudan Fund
I have said it before, and was later confirmed by the Prime Ministers Office that in a country with 21+ years of civil war standard monetary management and fund tracking are not available , and sometime alternative methods have to be used (below quote). I could post my early argument and then post the PMO's rebuke or I could just cut through the chase and save you unnecessary time reading my posts.

The Prime Minister’s office clarifies that the said US$1 million donated to support TFG reconciliation efforts in Somalia’s newly liberated areas was in fact disbursed and spent on reconciliation efforts in newly recovered areas including Gedo, Bay/Bakool, Hiiraan and Central Somalia areas and evidence of such is available. Additional moneys were spent on political outreach to the regions as mandated under the Road Map protocols. The very fact that the SEMG acknowledges that this particular fund was channeled through Price Waterhouse Coopers demonstrates that the Prime Minister conducts government transactions in a transparent manner

http://horseedmedia.net/2012/07/16/soma ... orruption/

1:I understand you hold the view that the UN is some sort of nefarious organization that seeks to defame your precious Abdiweli, but once again, regardless of whatever a snet forumer says, this report will determine the course of Somalia's political future for the next decade. The final draft of this report will be presented to the Security Council within the next few weeks, and will set the tone for the SCs policy on Somalia. Regardless of whatever overwhelming proof they present, you have already hedged your bet by also calling into question the motives of the monitoring group and the UN, despite using the very same report as proof of the guilt of Farmaajo et al.

2: As for your last paragraph, I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt just how intellectually insecure you are. From your penchant of abusing the English language, to your habit of misusing synonyms and misunderstanding the concept of context (still loling @ subscript views), to the fact that you seem to have discovered a hitherto unknown form of logic that incorporates circular reasoning and mutually exclusive premises, I'd say it's more than obvious you're a pretentious half-wit that's simply trying to get in the last word.

3: I assume your next post will read something like:

Yaa rabi, your arguments are not logical coherent cogent statements. You are desperately traying to pass of a persona of an intellect, but you are desperately emotional invested in the outcome of this thread. Your degenerative cerebration and subscript back alley abortionist views of the world indicates your lack of sagacity. Btw, here's the same argument I've used for the past week again until you abandon ship and I win by repeating the same argument I've used for the past week again until you abandon ship and I win by repeating....ad nauseam.

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4: miscellaneous (your degenerative rants and emotional outbursts)
1: have you ever heard the saying "if you say something enough times you start to believe it" , in your deranged mind, you have started believing what you know to be false, I never claimed there was a "nefarious conspiracy" it was you who made those remarks in order to seem less mentally deranged, after all misery loves company. I only voiced my suspicious based on discrepancies between the hiraan article and the report....SEE 2

2: you are the one that has shown a level of insecurities and limited mental prowess by constantly relying on trifle matters, re-hashing argumentative fallacies, and trying desperately to maintain a personal of an intellectual and seeking acknowledgement of your "smarts" (since the big word are giving you nightmares). you also have a tendency of asking clarification under the guise of "correcting me"each time I make a statement beyond your intellectual threshold. You also keep making overt emotional remarks, then trying to hide your insecurities with over the top hokum. I see you have already posted your I give up gif. I didn't think it would be this easy.

I also like how you seem to spam the thread with quotes and the same retort, it show your lazy manner and desperation honestly whats the differences between the two quotes below. .

If you mocked the report for highlighting tax exemptions prior to finding out that Hiiraan had made an error in their article, doesn't that necessarily mean you didn't read the report and instead relied on Hiiraan's press release?

If you mocked the report for highlighting tax exemptions prior to finding out that Hiiraan had made an error in their article, doesn't that necessarily mean you didn't read the report and instead relied on Hiiraan's press release? Sadly, it seems that you're getting your lies mixed up.

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