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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Perfect_Order wrote:Cirwaaq, your right in that I missed the pivot of your statement. The only thing I disagree is this, "In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance." Unless, the states are distinct and separate but in some kind of confederacy, like emirates, it can not withdraw it's agreement because it dissolves itself and becomes a part of a whole, indistinguishable from the whole. Otherwise, I agree with the rest, Somaliland is a legitimate state, while 4.5 state claims to be one.
Brother that would require one to proof the Act of Union into which two states entered was ratified and then the terms of that union were observed. Any Violation of the terms of the contract invalidates that contract. The Contract was breached within it's first year of the Union and violated. All actions post 1961 reinforce a single perception that of the Absorption of one state into another. It wasn't a UNION whence the terms were violated and hence come 1991 reclamation of INDEPENDENCE there was neither a need to create a NEW state nor DISSOLVE another. We can technically make valid assumptions that the state of BRITISH SOMALILAND experienced not a loss of sovereignty but merely failed to assert it's will over it's territory during the said period of "UNION".

If a state fails to exercise it's will in its territory it does not constitute a dissolution into another state and the act of UNION was designed for 5 regions of which Somalia and Somaliland were 2 portions. Since the Union pertained to 5 regions and all 5 regions could not be drawn into the union there is then a flaw with the intended UNION and failures to secure all 5 regions is equivalent to nullification of such UNION.

What is required is a renegotiation of the Union

It is not going to be sustained by force as we recall the love between the somali people of all 5 regions gave birth to UNIONIST sentiments. Today all we have left are HATE and destruction.
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Cirwaaq, you are making technical arguments that are past my knowledge and understanding. I remember one time reading on here that the two states did not even pass the same bill, and therefore there was no legal basis for a Union. But the fact remains that, despite whether the union was legal or not, the people of former British Somaliland acknowledge the government based in Xamar before and past '69, and that they had in the government, adhered to the laws, and consented to governance until much later.
Also, to say that British Somaliland failed to assert it's will over it's territory, is to say that a body of government continued to exist, representing British Somaliland. Is it possible to revive an old state? No, states by their nature only exist so long as there is a body that represents it over a said territory and people. This line is not going to be taken serious, and any past treaties of the former State are not recognized.

I don't think that there is any doubt that if there is ever to be any relationship between the two states, especially if they are going to be another Union, there will have to be serious negotiations, and this time at more equal footing.
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Cirwaaq wrote:
The`Republic wrote:I am sorry, I am confused or is there a Somaliland state, legitimate, internationally recognized, a party to the international system, and a signatory of international law?

I don't know if we are talking about is a perfectly legitimate existing country or some African faction's dusty break-away fiefdom somewhere in a primitive corner of the African continent?

Basic logic 101.

2 States joined to form the "Republic of Somalia" by means of majority acceptance and demand. In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance.

By default if one state is considered as non existent like wise it's former partner in union is also a Non entity state since it does not control both states nor reestablished it's own former border or sovereignty.

Somalia is a non entity unless it is able to exert it's force not only within it's own borders by also the territory of it's former Union member. Alternative is to itself re-declare own independence.
the agreement on the union between the 2 states was unanimous, by default their must be a unanimous agreement on secession of one part. they are one state until or unless they both approve splitting. you don't like that you can go isolate yourself in ur corner all you want. end of story.
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Mondey wrote:
Cirwaaq wrote:
The`Republic wrote:I am sorry, I am confused or is there a Somaliland state, legitimate, internationally recognized, a party to the international system, and a signatory of international law?

I don't know if we are talking about is a perfectly legitimate existing country or some African faction's dusty break-away fiefdom somewhere in a primitive corner of the African continent?

Basic logic 101.

2 States joined to form the "Republic of Somalia" by means of majority acceptance and demand. In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance.

By default if one state is considered as non existent like wise it's former partner in union is also a Non entity state since it does not control both states nor reestablished it's own former border or sovereignty.

Somalia is a non entity unless it is able to exert it's force not only within it's own borders by also the territory of it's former Union member. Alternative is to itself re-declare own independence.
the agreement on the union between the 2 states was unanimous, by default their must be a unanimous agreement on secession of one part. they are one state until or unless they both approve splitting. you don't like that you can go isolate yourself in ur corner all you want. end of story.
Brother the situation is equally destructive for both partner states. let us agree there :up:

So long as one state pursues INDEPENDENCE and the other UNION the advantage is always the state that is departing from the said UNION. UNION requires desire from both states to want it to occur where as INDEPENDENCE in international law is a measure of the population of one of the states.

If UNION is painted as a negative thing to run away from it becomes that much harder to ever rethink it... My stance is loose a BATTLE and WIN the WAR

BATTLE = INDEPENDENCE
WAR = UNION of all 5 Somali regions


Ensuring we protect the needs and demands of one state is the fundamental building blocks to revive equality and peace between all Somalis and believe me the alternative is "more Somalis committed to negativity towards all things Somali related and instigation of further HATE and WAR

We need to give sum to gain a LOT or risk it all to eternal damnation and status of failed state occupied permanently by FUFU... We are the new Cambodia the brothel of AFRICA... It is avoidable...
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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^ thats lots of emotions right there.

no one gives a shit about greater 5 fantasy Somalia.. we're only concerned with the two states that came together by a legitimate and legal agreement of both sides. stop bringing the other 3 up in every argument they're totally different cases than those 2 since no legal agreement binds them to Mogadisho.
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Mondey wrote:^ thats lots of emotions right there.

no one gives a shit about greater 5 fantasy Somalia.. we're only concerned with the two states that came together by a legitimate and legal agreement of both sides. stop bringing the other 3 up in every argument they're totally different cases than those 2 since no legal agreement binds them to Mogadisho.

In otherwords we should abuse those that entered our trap in naivity :?: Because they did without a thought to their own self preservation out of love for the UNION of all Somalis in Africa they leaped in head first only to get politically sodomized. The likes of you would have us all doomed to eternity and aren't we BLESSED not to have muppets like you in position of influence.

Why attempt to hold onto this UNION(placenta) when the LOVE(child) that brought the two states together is DEAD :?:

If the dream of the :som: 5 States is dead believe me those with your mentality caused it to die and have made sure it is permanently buried.
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Cirwaaq wrote:
Mondey wrote:^ thats lots of emotions right there.

no one gives a shit about greater 5 fantasy Somalia.. we're only concerned with the two states that came together by a legitimate and legal agreement of both sides. stop bringing the other 3 up in every argument they're totally different cases than those 2 since no legal agreement binds them to Mogadisho.

In otherwords we should abuse those that entered our trap in naivity :?: Because they did without a thought to their own self preservation out of love for the UNION of all Somalis in Africa they leaped in head first only to get politically sodomized. The likes of you would have us all doomed to eternity and aren't we BLESSED not to have muppets like you in position of influence.

Why attempt to hold onto this UNION(placenta) when the LOVE(child) that brought the two states together is DEAD :?:

If the dream of the :som: 5 States is dead believe me those with your mentality caused it to die and have made sure it is permanently buried.
Fuck your love child you emotional closet secessionist. you're only using the 5 to entertain and promote secession,
Do not equate the northern region to djibouti, NFD or k5. those are either sovereign states or part of other sovereign states. they were never under any somali government. the only way a certain region can breakaway is through regional referendum and approval from the capital, neither of that happened.
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Fuck your love child you emotional closet secessionist. you're only using the 5 to entertain and promote secession,
Do not equate the northern region to djibouti, NFD or k5. those are either sovereign states or part of other sovereign states. they were never under any somali government. the only way a certain region can breakaway is through regional referendum and approval from the capital, neither of that happened.
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:stylin: Proud to know the 1960 UNION has failed us all and should be Dissolved for all our sake.

There is no way in HELL a monkey like you is in any way shape nature related to the Prof is your Avatar you shame his name and for the love of GOD please stop pretending to support his cause... you are a detractor to HIIL QARAN...
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:lol: Fool don't have a nervous break down cause of me. LISTEN SOMALINET is the last place that will be consulted on the Nature and method in which the 1960 UNION will be dissolved and given a STATE BURIAL :lol: so don't loose sleep over it.

:som: = Shanta Somaliyeed

It ain't my making it is dead but believe me when i say DISSOLVING the 1960 UNION is good place to start to fix this mess :up:
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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:-@

closet secessionist I see you're coming out already :lol: Take you're meaningless trash you keep shitting over and over again to where it belongs you piece of shit and stop hiding behind the veil of Greater Somalia as a snake like would never know what unity means. what a shameless disgraceful character you are do not post the blue :som: flag smiley again nijaasyahay :arrow:
by the way if el professore reads any of the shit you post here wallahi he'll slap the shit outta you :lol:
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Mondey wrote:
closet secessionist I see you're coming out already :lol: Take you're meaningless trash you keep shitting over and over again to where it belongs you piece of shit and stop hiding behind the veil of Greater Somalia as a snake like would never know what unity means. what a shameless disgraceful character you are do not post the blue :som: flag smiley again nijaasyahay :arrow:
by the way if el professore reads any of the shit you post here wallahi he'll slap the shit outta you

Dude Me and the Prof share many views on the nature of Somali Unity which is what :som: stands for and that is Somalis from Djbouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Somaliland and Somalia.

I don't have the patience to school you on foresight even though i sense that you may lack the capacity for foresight altogether. Forgiving me for even indulging you in dialogue regarding matters that require sensitivity to temporal causality and it's inter-connectivity of man's metaphysical dependence.

In the most basic language available so you may understand Allah(swt) has already decided whether this UNION continues or not. We are only actors following a set course and all signs point to DISSOLUTION of the 1960 UNION and Prof Samatar would agree with me on this observation.

Had you the ability to comprehend i would then begin to indulge in the mechanics of Post DISSOLUTION and how Somalis cannot escape their interactions and coexistence.

The future is bright the Future is XAQ So relax. What ever is ment to happen is going to happen and cannot happen any other way :up:
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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The`Republic wrote:Ximan Jaale waa mucjiso wallahi. Out of no where he made a part of the issue Marehan where there was no need.

As for the topic, I am both surprised at Cumar_Labasuul's moderate and highly sophisticated thinking level and the short-sighted mentality and highly emotional nature of Gurey. I 100% believe Gurey is Cirwaaq now. 100% I believe.
Excuse me..ximanjaale qabiil mu usan caayin..ee dadkan ayaga too emotional ah "Isaaq waa dir buu dhahay" hadaysan dir aheyn..dir ma ma nihin..baa ximan ku falaan laheed..instead they insulted mrs ...say isgugu tagayaan bal eeg..so waaxisi gunimo maha. :roll:
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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why gurey turning to foodley with his high emotions? gurey sidan uma jiljile saneyn, ma haaskiisa la isti'amaasha his nick?
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote:
The`Republic wrote:Ximan Jaale waa mucjiso wallahi. Out of no where he made a part of the issue Marehan where there was no need.

As for the topic, I am both surprised at Cumar_Labasuul's moderate and highly sophisticated thinking level and the short-sighted mentality and highly emotional nature of Gurey. I 100% believe Gurey is Cirwaaq now. 100% I believe.
Excuse me..ximanjaale qabiil mu usan caayin..ee dadkan ayaga too emotional ah "Isaaq waa dir buu dhahay" hadaysan dir aheyn..dir ma ma nihin..baa ximan ku falaan laheed..instead they insulted mrs ...say isgugu tagayaan bal eeg..so waaxisi gunimo maha. :roll:

Gunimo is needing a SISTER to come to your defense :lol:
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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hyperactive wrote:why gurey turning to foodley with his high emotions? gurey sidan uma jiljile saneyn, ma haaskiisa la isti'amaasha his nick?
No need to bring his wife into this Hyper.
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Re: Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

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Cirwaaq wrote:
Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote:
The`Republic wrote:Ximan Jaale waa mucjiso wallahi. Out of no where he made a part of the issue Marehan where there was no need.

As for the topic, I am both surprised at Cumar_Labasuul's moderate and highly sophisticated thinking level and the short-sighted mentality and highly emotional nature of Gurey. I 100% believe Gurey is Cirwaaq now. 100% I believe.
Excuse me..ximanjaale qabiil mu usan caayin..ee dadkan ayaga too emotional ah "Isaaq waa dir buu dhahay" hadaysan dir aheyn..dir ma ma nihin..baa ximan ku falaan laheed..instead they insulted mrs ...say isgugu tagayaan bal eeg..so waaxisi gunimo maha. :roll:

Gunimo is needing a SISTER to come to your defense :lol:
Maxaa ku haya..mr closet qabileste :roll:
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