Beesha Faraah Garaad's growing influence on Somaliland

[X.Playa]

Khalid Ali,

You might think you know somaliland politics and peper your argument with feigned nationlistic rhertroics but ,the reality is much simpler , these pople will welcome somaliland as long as somaliland feeding them , using isaaq taxes to build schools, hospitals and share the aid givent to somaliland they will go with the ride ,. From the video all these are clan politcians and the people who are welcoming them are the kins of these same Warasngali politicians , its normal , what they agreed as a Warsangali sub-clan is to use somaliland to build their own region , why should they object, but once Somalia stands on their feet we can swich to somalia. In fact next month the 65 sub-clans of Warsangali are having their clan assembly and most of them are pro-Somalia.

Finally Mr know it all see it all?? how come in that entire video with over 10 somaliland polticians there , i have not seen the sight of the somaliland flag??????????????????? of course you missed that to busy to be happy Warsangali welcoming your state , but you always miss the fine small details.

Wait a min first you're argument was they are useless the SL politicians from eastern sanaag and eastern soool and that they cant visit their indigenous tribal homeland the fact that you know they visit their homeland now you u use the argument that they use Somaliland tax and income to advance their daily lives wait a minute isn't Somaliland their government or is the government in hargeysa the govt of borama gabiley burco hargeysa caynaba berbera and ceerigaabo and not the government of dhahar laascaanood and laasqoray? You cant have it both ways xplaya these politicians are useful and they represent a portion of the Somaliland people.

You can go to Mareexaan land with the same entrouge given you have some money for the Mareexaan and employ few Mareexaan agents in youe enterprice. This isn't big deal as long as they are getting things from somaliland they will welcome you and let you talk about "nabad" and "living together" cliche , but in that same town Dhahar , the Puntland delegation recieves the same welcome , the only difference is they wave the blue flag.

[Khalid Ali]

Time is of the essence xplaya what we have to do is use all tools to secure the borders we are already there for 70% We have entire subclans of Warsangali denouncing Majeerteenia never happened before. Our objective is to secure the borders and if that means a few donations here and there so be it , Warsangali is a very small clan about 3% of the Somaliland population but they live from Yube to the Somaliland border not a small territory. They have 2 ministers and a deputy Minister and they seem happy we are not losing here we can only gain.

[X.Playa]

Time is of the essence xplaya what we have to do is use all tools to secure the borders we are already there for 70% We have entire subclans of Warsangali denouncing Majeerteenia never happened before. Our objective is to secure the borders and if that means a few donations here and there so be it , Warsangali is a very small clan about 3% of the Somaliland population but they live from Yube to the Somaliland border not a small territory. They have 2 ministers and a deputy Minister and they seem happy we are not losing here we can only gain.

No don't lie to youself you are not in the border, you have armed Daarood militia to pertend you are at the border , now as soon as they decide to opt for somalia they will use these weapons against you. The Warsangali denouncing Majeerteenia is due to their interest not because they love somaliland , no nation ever behaved like somaliland in a state of war by arming the same people they are fighting , even Ethopia which arms the Liyo Police has its federal troops in the region unlike somaliland... You are trying to be nice and mercifull and through this you think the Daarood will love you and forget the fact that they are Daarood. Don't you know the Warsangali settles in Boosaaso and Somaliland not only threatens Daarood fragmentations but also Warsangali at sub-sub clan level..

Nobody will make these people accept somaliland forget it ,its all about clan and they are logicall in their rejection of somaliland , why should they be a minority with in an Isaa sea??? why should they reject Somalia where their Daarood is an equal partener to the Haawiye both in numbers and in power and opt to be a small minority with in Isaaq??

This is not even a brainer , you just have alot of faith in Isaaq politcians who make a mansion out of manure.

[Khalid Ali]

Xplaya there is no such thing as daarood today ,, daaroods in Somalia are fighting for survival against Alshabaab and foreign occupations and external powers.I agree with you we have Militias that are allied to Somaliland in eastern Sanaag and i also agree that Somaliland government is taking to long in officially incorporating these militias into the Somaliland national army. this will come when we rank our military officers our Military needs huge transformation. The warsangali have no representation in the Somalia government and in Puntland they are like second class citizens. This Puntland entity is good for us Somalia is divided into 2 portions puntland and southern Somalia now will they ever be politically united never nor will warsangali have a say in puntland affairs. And i disagree with ur assessment Hawiye is still the most dominant clan in Somalia they are disorganized divided but they are the are a force to be reckoned with , Mogadisho alone has over 2 million people. Xplaya if there are daroods loyal to Kibaki and if there are daroods loyal to Haile Mariam deselegn. Than i am sure that it will be a piece of cake that there are people of daarood ancestry who are loyal to Siilaanyo we just need to secure the borders that's all.

[X.Playa]

Xplaya there is no such thing as daarood today ,, daaroods in Somalia are fighting for survival against Alshabaab and foreign occupations and external powers.I agree with you we have Militias that are allied to Somaliland in eastern Sanaag and i also agree that Somaliland government is taking to long in officially incorporating these militias into the Somaliland national army. this will come when we rank our military officers our Military needs huge transformation. The warsangali have no representation in the Somalia government and in Puntland they are like second class citizens. This Puntland entity is good for us Somalia is divided into 2 portions puntland and southern Somalia now will they ever be politically united never nor will warsangali have a say in puntland affairs. And i disagree with ur assessment Hawiye is still the most dominant clan in Somalia they are disorganized divided but they are the force, Mogadisho alone has over 2 million people. Xplaya if there are daroods loyal to Kibaki and if there are daroods loyal to Haile Mariam deselegn. Than i am sure that it will be a piece of cake that there are people of daarood ancestry who are loyal to Siilaanyo we just need to secure the borders that's all.

The Daarood are loyal to kibaki and Melz Zanawai and the rest because of carrot and stick policies, what you Isaaq have are all carrots and even you began to add Xalawa and even bringing more god forbides.

[Coldoon]

Cabdirixmaan Tuur was in power in 1991, he stopped it after few months , by then the H.Y have completly driven the Harti out of much of Sanaag, the Dhulbahnate were all rounded up in las anod, during the last push by the H.Y to entre thier shit hole las anod after killing 300 in Xudun the battle of Qoodho-Taag , the last grad of dhulbahnate Cabdighani begged Tuur to send SNM forces to stop the eastern H.Y snm milltia that were routing out the Dhulbahnate and Tuur sent 3000 goevrment troops to Xudun and aborted las Canod invasion. These Dhulbahnate who are talking through their arse now in 1991 were no better then a lactating pregnanet woman.

Ma Naalaye Ahmedkii ba laga dilay 300 in Xudun? When did this happen? Udun is an expert in anything regarding Nuugaasha, so I'll wait till he confirms this to be false.

[Khalid Ali]

coldoon are you really dhulbahante how can you not know the qodha taag attack in Xudun in 1991

[Cumar-Labasuul]

khalid ali, coldoon is nigis kaladh badane with new colour nigis

[Khalid Ali]

makes sense he is not dhulbahante.

[Siciid85]

It is true. Over Hundreds of Dhulmahantes were killed in Xudun in one day.


1992,Africa review - Page 184.

[Coldoon]

First they said I'm that kid knight of wisdom. Now, they're saying I'm not Dhulbahante. lol Whatever float your boats, fellow Eydoor snetters. Dad bey Somalinet la weyntahay.

Siciid, it says 100 and not 300.

[original dervish]

we will never accept issaq to be over us...never!
xplayer for once is right. We have nothing in common with the iidoor, they hate somalia/Somalis while we are staunch patriots.

Khalid, a true h/a pragmatist. He doesnt get caught up in all the tribal emotion and bigotry. Its purely political with him.
Khalid, you should be a corporate negotiator.

with the xabusheed branch of issaq in control of s/l, we have nothing to fear.
jaw jaw is better than war war eh khalid.

[skywalker25]

I have to agree with X.Playa's logic in this discussion. What Somaliland should have done along time ago is put fear into these folks and let the eastern tribes go wild, take as much land as possible and then onc we have all the land sit down an negotiate, sort of like the the Israeli/Palestinian situation, and offer them crumps or nothing. This current Somaliland policy is as hollow as the chase for succession. They need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a different plan, this current one is impossible. My gut feeling tells me Silanyo/Dahabshill and the current Kulmiye leadership wants to make some sort of a deal with the south on a frame work witch will give us as much autonomy as possible. However, considering we were at one point able to own the whole of Somalia, it will be bitter pill to swallow when we have to deal with a resurgent Somalia from a position of equality or weakness.

This whole current episode shows the difference between Darods and Isaaq's. They from a position of weakness will still try to destroy us at any given chance, we on the other hand will give them gifts and try and help them from a position of strength. Isaaq's only show their destructive side to one another. Imagine if we would have gone to war with the hartis in the same manor as the haber haber war was faught between ourselves. Wallahi somaliland would have been sitting pretty at the UN table under either the Somaliland flag or the Somali flag. Either way we would have been the top dog. But he we are going round in circles chasing our tale....

[Siciid85]

Siciid, it says 100 and not 300.

It says "over 100" so it can be 200 or 300. Furthermore this wasn't the only battle there was others like Jidaali (which was occupied), Sanirgood, Lafweyne etc
where Dhulbahantes suffered alot of casualties.

It is true. Over Hundreds of Dhulmahantes were killed in Xudun in one day.


1992,Africa review - Page 184.

[original dervish]

don`t mind the inaccuracies of siciid, he`ll never let facts get in the way of a good post.

Skywalker, no use closing the door after the horse has bolted.
Wishing that you could turn the clock back to 1989 will only sadden your heart.
We`ve played our cards like a poker master. Khaatumo is a recognised federal state of Somalia.