Eritrea : A Nation in Isolation

[jalaaludin5]

[gurey25]

[Tanker]

Gurey25

There is simple no logic in your arguments and they are contradictory.

The sad thing is that the victims of the genocide was not communists

" including large numbers of teachers and student activists, were imprisoned. Most of them were never tried, let alone convicted of any offense. "

Hundreds of thousands of Students and teachers were killed just because they were suspected, Siyad Barre is a swedish democrat compared with this crazy genocide, he never killed Hundreds of thousands of Students and teachers because they were suspected. If you made anti-siyad barre remarks the regimes NSS will put you into prison in 1 year....

and the funny thing is that SNM which you support was based in Ethiopia and supported by Ethiopia which at that time was a a communist atheist state trying to destroy Islam inside Ethiopia. There is no basic logic in your arguments....

[Tanker]

" Following the 1974 overthrow of the Emperor Haile Selassie, the communist Derg regime of Mengistu Hailemariam persecuted religious leaders and discouraged the practice of religion by Christians and Muslims alike."

http://almanac.afpc.org/Ethiopia


" The Mengistu government responded in kind by providing bases, sanctuary, and military assistance to the SSDF and the SNM. "

http://countrystudies.us/somalia/78.htm

I am looking forward to see Gureys respons hmm.....

[Tanker]

"O ye who believe! Take not My enemies and yours as friends (or protectors) - offering them (your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because ye believe in God your Lord! If ye have come out to strive in My way and to seek My good pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love (and friendship) with them: for I know full well all that ye conceal and all that ye reveal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the straight path." (H.Q. 60:1)


The Qur'an has, therefore, prohibited from entering into an alliance with those of the non-Muslims, whether of the ‘People of the Book’ or otherwise, who viewed Islam and the Muslims with enmity; who hatched conspiracies for their destruction and who had driven out the Muslims from their homeland for the only reason that they had believed in Allah. It is certain that no Muslim, who is engaged in a campaign in the path of God against such deniers of the Truth, can ever have friendly relations with them. However, there were, among the Muslims, certain hypocrites, who entered into friendly relations with the enemies of Islam while feigning the posture of ‘We are with you’ when with the Muslims. It was about them that the Qur'an said, "and he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them" (Qur'an 5:51)


http://www.nicheoftruth.org/pages/the_q ... uslims.htm

Actally according to Islam SNM were Kafir.

[gurey25]

what response do you expect..
Ethiopia is not a muslim country, its an empire consisting of Muslims and Christians , dominated by a christian ethnic group.
so are you asking if i support the alliance with mengistu a communist, while i justify the elimination of the indonesian commmunists?


do i support an alliance for my short term gain, why not.
it still doesnt change the fact that if put in a position of power and given the right circumstances i would eliminate them.

[Tanker]

what response do you expect..
Ethiopia is not a muslim country, its an empire consisting of Muslims and Christians , dominated by a christian ethnic group.
so are you asking if i support the alliance with mengistu a communist, while i justify the elimination of the indonesian commmunists?


do i support an alliance for my short term gain, why not.
it still doesnt change the fact that if put in a position of power and given the right circumstances i would eliminate them.

Actally 50% of Ethiopia are muslims if not more... your entire argument in this thread is that the genocide by Suhurto was justificed because he was figthing aganist anti-Islam communists, yet I proved that SNM was allied with communists who tried to destroy Islam inside Ethiopia and according to Islam " and he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them" (Qur'an 5:51)"
according to Islam, SNM and SSDF were Kuffar nothing to debate about.
Again you exposed your hypocrisy are the Ethiopian communists who supported you less Kuffar than the communists figthing aganist Suhurto?

[gurey25]

Actally according to Islam SNM were Kafir.

according to islam the faqash regime was also kaafir.
if they are 2 kaafir sides why bring Islam into this?

[Calibesteen]

what response do you expect..
Ethiopia is not a muslim country, its an empire consisting of Muslims and Christians , dominated by a christian ethnic group.
so are you asking if i support the alliance with mengistu a communist, while i justify the elimination of the indonesian commmunists?


do i support an alliance for my short term gain, why not.
it still doesnt change the fact that if put in a position of power and given the right circumstances i would eliminate them.

Why do you hate communists though? Have you read the communist manifesto of Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx? If you have not, why are you so anti? You seem to base your opinions on western rhetoric specially the American anti communism rhetoric who happened to be based on the idea of the domino theory. That if some countries become communists the surrounding ones would also become communist and therefore US would loose its dominance and their chances to exploit would end.

As long as poor countries exist, rich countries will feast on the corpses of poor people. America is f-king vulture and that is why they oppose communism but why on earth do you oppose it?

[Tanker]

Actally according to Islam SNM were Kafir.

according to islam the faqash regime was also kaafir.
if they are 2 kaafir sides why bring Islam into this?

The Siyad Barre regime was a HantiWadag regime with a secular policy but they were not Kuffar or close to it.... No prove of Siyad Barres regime trying to stop people practice Islam or worse destroying Islam like the Ehiopian communists did.

[gurey25]

what response do you expect..
Ethiopia is not a muslim country, its an empire consisting of Muslims and Christians , dominated by a christian ethnic group.
so are you asking if i support the alliance with mengistu a communist, while i justify the elimination of the indonesian commmunists?


do i support an alliance for my short term gain, why not.
it still doesnt change the fact that if put in a position of power and given the right circumstances i would eliminate them.

Why do you hate communists though? Have you read the communist manifesto of Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx? If you have not, why are you so anti? You seem to base your opinions on western rhetoric specially the American anti communism rhetoric who happened to be based on the idea of the domino theory. That if some countries become communists the surrounding ones would also become communist and therefore US would loose its dominance and their chances to exploit would end.

As long as poor countries exist, rich countries will feast on the corpses of poor people. America is f-king vulture and that is why they oppose communism but why on earth do you oppose it?

first of all i dont prescribe to american mumbo jumbo, the domino theory was for their own publics consumption.
I dont really give a shit about american views about communism.
I have my own reason for being anti-communist and i have outlined it above in my posts several times.
In a secular western state like australia where i lived its none of my business, and i have interacted with communist in student organizations,
i even made friends with them. i dont really care waht they do, i have no opinion about them just like i dont care what some khaniisin do, its their right its their country.
but a communist organization in a muslim country?

communism is as much a pile of mumbo jumbo nonesense as neo-liberal capitalism, i see them as equally ridiculous.
but one of them is millitantly athiest and seeks to wipe out religion.
thats why i oppose one more than the other.

if youve read das kapital and the communist manifesto you would know this too,
and by the way they also proposed getting rid of the family unit, you didnt know that did you
they viewed the husband and wife thing as primitive and getting in the way of a true communist society

[gurey25]

Actally according to Islam SNM were Kafir.

according to islam the faqash regime was also kaafir.
if they are 2 kaafir sides why bring Islam into this?

The Siyad Barre regime was a HantiWadag regime with a secular policy but they were not Kuffar or close to it.... No prove of Siyad Barres regime trying to stop people practice Islam or worse destroying Islam like the Ehiopian communists did.

Siad barre's regime is a kaafir regime using the same criteria you used to claim SNM a kaafir organization.
allying with non muslims.

[Calibesteen]

what response do you expect..
Ethiopia is not a muslim country, its an empire consisting of Muslims and Christians , dominated by a christian ethnic group.
so are you asking if i support the alliance with mengistu a communist, while i justify the elimination of the indonesian commmunists?


do i support an alliance for my short term gain, why not.
it still doesnt change the fact that if put in a position of power and given the right circumstances i would eliminate them.

Why do you hate communists though? Have you read the communist manifesto of Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx? If you have not, why are you so anti? You seem to base your opinions on western rhetoric specially the American anti communism rhetoric who happened to be based on the idea of the domino theory. That if some countries become communists the surrounding ones would also become communist and therefore US would loose its dominance and their chances to exploit would end.

As long as poor countries exist, rich countries will feast on the corpses of poor people. America is f-king vulture and that is why they oppose communism but why on earth do you oppose it?

first of all i dont prescribe to american mumbo jumbo, the domino theory was for their own publics consumption.
I dont really give a shit about american views about communism.
I have my own reason for being anti-communist and i have outlined it above in my posts several times.
In a secular western state like australia where i lived its none of my business, and i have interacted with communist in student organizations,
i even made friends with them. i dont really care waht they do, i have no opinion about them just like i dont care what some khaniisin do, its their right its their country.
but a communist organization in a muslim country?

communism is as much a pile of mumbo jumbo nonesense as neo-liberal capitalism, i see them as equally ridiculous.
but one of them is millitantly athiest and seeks to wipe out religion.
thats why i oppose one more than the other.

if youve read das kapital and the communist manifesto you would know this too,
and by the way they also proposed getting rid of the family unit, you didnt know that did you
they viewed the husband and wife thing as primitive and getting in the way of a true communist society

I have read the communist manifesto and I do not agree with everything but on the religious thing Marx meant that religion has been used as a tool by the upper class and I do not see anything wrong with that. Truth is, I find it correct. It is absurd that the vulture and the corpse is praying to the same god, believing in the same god. This notion has been mentioned by non communist like Malcolm X who said, while talking to his audience, ''when he's putting a rope around your neck, you call for God and he calls for God and you wonder why the one you call on never answers you. Religion in some way or form is used by the elite, that is not a lie. Do I wish that religion is forbidden, absolutely no.

When it comes to the ''abolishing'' of family. They opposed the traditional conservative ideas of their opponents. They believed that women is enslaved by the traditional family life. Do I believe that? Yes to some extent. Do I believe that we should abolish families? No, absolutely not. You need to put things in perspective my friend.

[gurey25]

Ok i see where this is going, i told you already i do not have a special hatred for communism
i see it as just another alien ideology.
My problem is with a communist part in a muslim country..

for example i think the Vietminh were a great part, and they were the best thing for the Vietnamese people, considering how their other options where hopelessly corrupt scum.
I support all other communist movements when they were anti-colonial as long as they were not in a muslim country.
Indonesian communists happened to be in majority muslim country.

[Tanker]

Mohammed Siyad Barre 1969-1991 AUN a great government