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AbdiJohnson wrote:FAH

Atheist tyrants killed in the name of their ideologies like communism and for power and not in the name of atheism whereas religious extremists from any faiths kill in the name of their religion. Of course religions don't generally call for violence but religion is left to interpretation and that is what makes them violent. Religions should be held responsible for attracting extremism. Those religious extremists got the idea from the religion itself to do these acts, through their own interpretation. This is why religion should bear the full faults. For instance, I know alcohol is banned in AA meetings so I know I won't bring it in Alcoholics Anonymous premises. There is no room for interpretation there. Its set in stone. Things are not set in stone in religion a lot of the time.

I am,

Abdi "They have flaws" Johnson

really? You imply that religions at their core are extremism. And of course force is permitted in our religion but its to be used against oppression, tyranny, etc. Not for killing innocent people to send a message to a supposed enemy. There are rules laid out in the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet. The main thing is, in Islam, these are set in stone but in many places around the world there scholars who are paid off to create ludicrous fatwas. Liars and hypocrites running the show at every turn.

And what's funny is these Islamist groups in the East are just as Western as you and me in terms of political thinking.

The problem lies in people. People are horrible. People who have no religion turn to something else that they hold to a holy esteem. Alcohol as you mentioned is something that is literally worshipped here.

thats really a shocking incident that horrified the whole world. i regret and am against this type of ridiculos thing

RaymondWashington wrote:i regret and am against this type of ridiculos thing

Why are you not for this type of thing?

Arabman wrote:

RaymondWashington wrote:i regret and am against this type of ridiculos thing

Why are you not for this type of thing?

Arabman wrote:

RaymondWashington wrote:i regret and am against this type of ridiculos thing

Why are you not for this type of thing?

arabman, mad Allah ka baqdid and find halal job? of course, that is if you a muslim.

ElfRuler0 wrote:

Based wrote:Yeah, colonial rule in Somalia didn't exactly impact the lives of your average goat herding, camel rustling, rival clan raiding Somali.

Don't see too many Giancarlo Jaamacs or William Libans walking around speaking Italian/English and quoting the King James.

Most of the Islamic schools were monitored if not closed during that period. The education system was based on a curriculum designed by the colonizers. The influence -especially the educational/knowledge aspect of Islam was limited and the religious scholars were put on a short leash.

It's one thing to know how to read the Qur'an and another to understand the meaning, regulations and the laws of the Qur'an, and be able to apply it in the correct form under the right circumstances. They didn't need to quote King James simply because most of them did not even know the meaning of BismiAllahi alrrahmani alrraheemi even thou they established the five daily prayers.

You seem to be under the impression that Somalis weren't almost exclusively nomadic during this time period. The only "Islamic schools" were under acacia trees in the wilderness, and the curriculum was whatever the local sheikh had down on his loox.

Colonial rule had little to no impact on your average Somali in comparison with say in Kenya, where they introduced Christianity and the concept of clothing in the early 20th century. Somali clans payed taxes in a show of nominal allegiance, were told not to rebel, and were pretty much left to their own devices. Only the scant few living in major urban areas or sent their children to colonialist schools had any interaction with the colonizers.

Based wrote:You seem to be under the impression that Somalis weren't almost exclusively nomadic during this time period.

You're mistaken. While there were many Somalis who were nomadic during that time, there was also a significant percentage who were agriculturists, urbanites (along the coasts where a sizable population lived) and others. Prior to the colonials, Somalia had Islamic sultanates and some of its cities and towns were considered strong Islamic centers.

As of 2013, it is estimated that 70% of Somalis are pastoralists. While there were urban centers, like I mentioned in my earlier post, Somalis then and now were predominantly reer baadiyo.

Based wrote:As of 2013, it is estimated that 70% of Somalis are pastoralists. While there were urban centers, like I mentioned in my earlier post, Somalis then and now were predominantly reer baadiyo.

Once again, you're mistaken. As of 2013, pastoralists represent a minority in Somalia. Most Somalis in Somalia, Somaliland, Puntland and similar breakaway regions live in urban centers (Mogadishu, Kismayo, Hargeisa, Berbera, Galkacyo, Bossasso, Garowe, etc). They do not tend to raising, feeding, etc camel, cattle, goat, etc. Those who do that live in rural centers and represent a minority. If things go as how they're now, pastoralism a few decades from now is gonna become a thing of the past.

No, you're mistaken.

According to every reputable source, including the World Bank, only 38% of Somalis live in urban areas.

^Provide the sources. According to following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_So ... population

The population is about 10 millions. About 6 millions live in the 20 most populous cities in Somalia. This doesn't include the millions displaced who lived outside urban cities (like ceelasha biyaha) and the millions in exile. According to the link, the rate of urbanization is 4.2% annually.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS

Scroll down to Somalia

Based wrote:http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS

Scroll down to Somalia

There is still hope for perpetual war.

^According to your link, the urban population of Ethiopia is 17%, Kenya 24%, Uganda 16%, Eritrea 22%, Rwanda 19%, Yemen 33%--all in 2012. However, according to my link, about 60% of Somalis live in the 20 mos populous cities in Somalia.

Arabman wrote:^According to your link, the urban population of Ethiopia is 17%, Kenya 24%, Uganda 16%, Eritrea 22%, Rwanda 19%, Yemen 33%--all in 2012. However, according to my link, about 60% of Somalis live in the 20 mos populous cities in Somalia.

post da link u fukkin cunt