Microcosm of Somali Problem

[Murax]

I also guarantee You can find the same headscratching irony of adulation of other ethnicities and hate for their own When it comes to Somaliland just as in this case in Buhoodle. You can find the same with ever clan and entity in Zoomalia.


We're low for a reason.

lol, that was my point, but tanker and the rest of u daroods just couldn't see past the fact I used Buuhoodle as an example.

Ofcourse, the distrust and questioned motives is a reality of our disdain for each other.

[LightAtNight]

BlueAndWhite,

Faysal Cali Waraabe said Ethiopia and not Addis and he clarified that he meant the Somali region because Faysals family is from the Somali Kilil. He also stated that the only reason Somaliland wanted to unite with Somalia in the 60's was to liberate Hawd and Galbeed.

Xamud,

Your post are based on emotions and it's modified by clan bias. Isaaq do not claim Las Canood or Badhan or Las Qoray or Buhoodle on the contrary you'll see your Darood people claiming our Ceerigaabo, our Caynaba, our Qorilugud, our Laasa Surad.

Nonetheless every inch of Somaliland falls uder the jurisdiction of Somaliland republic. The only reason why Dhulbahante oppose the same agreements they signed in 91 & 93 is because of Isaaq hatred. In 91 and 93, they knew what they did to Isaaq civilians under Afweyne so they use the agreements to save their lives (if you don't believe, as I know you don't, the cunts who hired the Rhodesian Mercenraies were Dhulbahanate, the ones who armed neighboring clans against fleeing Isaaq civilians were Dhulbahante, the cunt who was part of Hargeisas destruction was none other than Ina Dafle who was raised in Hargeisa by his Isaaq maternal family, the same dude that when he couldn't get military scholarship, it was his abtis through their money and connects that sent him abroad, I could give you countless examples).

If Isaaq weren't Gob we would've done a remix on the Hawiye military operation Utanga and sometimes I wish my clan was ruthless like the Hawiye, who avenged their people and give these Darood rats a reality check.

I wish these people were given the same treatment as their cousins in the south. Then they'll really have something to scream and shout about. Lakiin, Isaaq are Nasab and we don't roll like that - even in the presence of snakes.

Dont use us and then insult us to score tribal points fadhlan

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Who's "us"? Who are you?

[LightAtNight]

Who's "us"? Who are you?

Its like your complimenting hawiyes for the atrocity committed against Darood civilians while at the same time indirectly insulting them by calamining to be Gob for not stooping to the same level yourselves as Isaaqs, although you could have or had reason to, but chose not to at the end out of your Gobness

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Walaal I didn't mean it as an insult. In fact I was saying we should have been more ruthless like you guys - especially since we suffered the most. It's no secret Isaaq is the most decent and level-headed clan. I'm not blowing my own horn, it's a just general perception.

[Xamud.]

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[Xamud.]

BlueAndWhite,

Faysal Cali Waraabe said Ethiopia and not Addis and he clarified that he meant the Somali region because Faysals family is from the Somali Kilil. He also stated that the only reason Somaliland wanted to unite with Somalia in the 60's was to liberate Hawd and Galbeed.

Xamud,

Your post are based on emotions and it's modified by clan bias. Isaaq do not claim Las Canood or Badhan or Las Qoray or Buhoodle on the contrary you'll see your Darood people claiming our Ceerigaabo, our Caynaba, our Qorilugud, our Laasa Surad.

Nonetheless every inch of Somaliland falls uder the jurisdiction of Somaliland republic. The only reason why Dhulbahante oppose the same agreements they signed in 91 & 93 is because of Isaaq hatred. In 91 and 93, they knew what they did to Isaaq civilians under Afweyne so they use the agreements to save their lives (if you don't believe, as I know you don't, the cunts who hired the Rhodesian Mercenraies were Dhulbahanate, the ones who armed neighboring clans against fleeing Isaaq civilians were Dhulbahante, the cunt who was part of Hargeisas destruction was none other than Ina Dafle who was raised in Hargeisa by his Isaaq maternal family, the same dude that when he couldn't get military scholarship, it was his abtis through their money and connects that sent him abroad, I could give you countless examples).

If Isaaq weren't Gob we would've done a remix on the Hawiye military operation Utanga and sometimes I wish my clan was ruthless like the Hawiye, who avenged their people and give these Darood rats a reality check.

I wish these people were given the same treatment as their cousins in the south. Then they'll really have something to scream and shout about. Lakiin, Isaaq are Nasab and we don't roll like that - even in the presence of snakes.

Liquid
Wishing for genocide are we? you are one emotional dude, you should log off Somalinet before you go completely crazy like many before you have.



Shaley waxad ka ooyneysay " warriors is making fun of the Issaq Genocide, Xamud why don't you call him out on it munafiq baad tahay" maantana you are calling for genocide, show waxad tahay nin afkisa iyo dhagahisa aysan is maqlin, waa astaamaha lagu garto qofka munafiqa ah, qiiq isku qaris beey ka ahayd markad aniga igu sheegeysay munafiq illen hore ba lo yiri "Dhhillo intadan Dhhillo Oran ayey Dhhillo ku tiraahda"




Xildiid
Did you read what I wrote? Dhulbahante are not oppressed by a military force,I have already stated that , Somaliland can't oppress Dhulbahante like that, not in their wildest dreams, last time they tried to take a Dhulbahante city by force, we all know what happened, its not a viable option. We are talking about undermining their political aspirations, undermining their sovereignty(for a lack of better word) as a tribe, undermining their tribal boarders while sticking to your own tribal borders, its a clear case of having your cake and eating it too, you want to secede yet you're not willing to let them do the same. You don't have a case here, your one and only argument is "colonial borders" and quite frankly if you took off the clan lenses that are impairing your vision, you would see how ridiculous it is to cite the drawings of imperialism.


Why are you so adamant in keeping SSC as a part of Somaliland? give me one good reason beside preserving colonial borders

[zumaale]

Xamud, you are right that Dhulbahante are not facing a military occupation and some of their subclans are party to the situation there.

However, if the Isaaq put their entire military might into forcing their agenda on Sool and Eastern Sanaag, they are more than capable of doing but that would bring Darood as a whole into the conflict. The only reason why other Daroods do not interfere is because they know there are internal divisions between Dhulbahante, hence, why they are found in several camps. However, if a Darood clan is under a serious threat, unlike Samaales, they rally together as illustrated by Mareexans supporting Majeerten in Galkaacyo despite the bad blood between them.

[Estarix]

If the SNM/Isaaq had committed genocide like the Southerners did Somaliland existence in the east would be nothing more than a pipedream. The only reason why Somaliland has a presence in places as far east as lascanod is because the people view it as a viable alternative to other factions including other Dhulbahante clans and Puntland.

[Buraanbur]

These Isaaq youth have been indoctrinated to yell and scream about their sufferings like some Jews. You weren't innocent victims and bystanders. If all Daroods are responsible for the massacre in the North West, then all Isaaqs are responsible for the massacre against MJs in Mudug during the late 70s. Not only were your people in the front lines, one of your own commanded the entire thing. So, if anything, Morgan was settling scores.

Now you want to come on Snet talking about how you're gob and playing the victim card, acting like you did Daroods any favors by not committing "another Utanga". Funny thing is you forget that you're refugees or the product of refugees in a western country too. If you could have done anything with your World War 2 relics, you would have.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Adigu waxaa iska daayoo caddayntii aan kuu weydiiyey meesha soo dhig. The munafiq is the one who involves himself in affairs that have very little to do with him because of qabyaalad. You don't see me niicnaac about Mudug, nugaal or wherever the fck you come from. You have failed the simple task I ask you, buzz off.

[Xamud.]

You need not to concern yourself with where I come from, you are debating as a Issaq trying to claim land that belongs to a tribe that you share no abtirsi with, I think I have every right to involve myself, meeshan isir baa socdo needalyahow, if you can't handle that then don't yipp yapp about land that don't belong to you.

Munafiq you say?

Isaaq are the poets, the tujaar, the people of hiddo iyo dhaqan, the culumo, the political masters, the Warriors, the artists, the linguists, the people of unity and gobanimo. While you guys are busy making useless threads we are building our lands with our own hands and hard earned money.

Reer waqooyi fought for the idea of unity. It was marxuum Ina Cigaal who went to kilika shanaad asking sayid mxmd son to join the union, while the latter refused. Reer waqooyi made the famous line for the Somali flag "kana siib, kana saar " in Timo cadde poem. Hargeysa was the Centre of hiddo iyo dhaqan for geyiga somaliyeed. Who the hell are you children that can't even speak proper somali to talk about such a dignified & noble people. Those who know us know us. We were the fabric of Somali unity, and since we left somalia went to Hell. If we did chose to come back I guarantee somalia wey hagaagi lahayd, and every somali elder I spoke to says the same. But we have no intentions to unite with insincere folk who can't unite with themselves

I think you are confused, this is the Puntland section, if you really want to brag about developing your land with your own hands, I suggest you take it somewhere else, for we have mastered the art of self-reliance, waxba anaga ha no faanin.

Why don't you address your kin who are not only insulting a whole tribe but making light of the murder and suffering of tens of thousands of innocent human beings?

Oh that's right because you are a munafiq who only has an issue with an Isaaq person defending himself, not with dhaboyaco wecels talking shit.

BlueAndWhite,

Faysal Cali Waraabe said Ethiopia and not Addis and he clarified that he meant the Somali region because Faysals family is from the Somali Kilil. He also stated that the only reason Somaliland wanted to unite with Somalia in the 60's was to liberate Hawd and Galbeed.

Xamud,

Your post are based on emotions and it's modified by clan bias. Isaaq do not claim Las Canood or Badhan or Las Qoray or Buhoodle on the contrary you'll see your Darood people claiming our Ceerigaabo, our Caynaba, our Qorilugud, our Laasa Surad.

Nonetheless every inch of Somaliland falls uder the jurisdiction of Somaliland republic. The only reason why Dhulbahante oppose the same agreements they signed in 91 & 93 is because of Isaaq hatred. In 91 and 93, they knew what they did to Isaaq civilians under Afweyne so they use the agreements to save their lives (if you don't believe, as I know you don't, the cunts who hired the Rhodesian Mercenraies were Dhulbahanate, the ones who armed neighboring clans against fleeing Isaaq civilians were Dhulbahante, the cunt who was part of Hargeisas destruction was none other than Ina Dafle who was raised in Hargeisa by his Isaaq maternal family, the same dude that when he couldn't get military scholarship, it was his abtis through their money and connects that sent him abroad, I could give you countless examples).

If Isaaq weren't Gob we would've done a remix on the Hawiye military operation Utanga and sometimes I wish my clan was ruthless like the Hawiye, who avenged their people and give these Darood rats a reality check.

I wish these people were given the same treatment as their cousins in the south. Then they'll really have something to scream and shout about. Lakiin, Isaaq are Nasab and we don't roll like that - even in the presence of snakes.

The proof is in the pudding. Wacade adiga munafiq iyo genocidal maniac labadaba ah.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

If the SNM/Isaaq had committed genocide like the Southerners did Somaliland existence in the east would be nothing more than a pipedream. The only reason why Somaliland has a presence in places as far east as lascanod is because the people view it as a viable alternative to other factions including other Dhulbahante clans and Puntland.

Can you tell me what you mean by "far east"? If you are talking about Sanaag and Sool regions, then you are wrong. Because as I've explained a hundred times, Isaaq vastly outnumber any other clan in those regions even if you add smaller clans like Dir and fiqishini to Harti. If you mean the narrow areas bordering Puntland which is in contention, then I don't see your point.

Btw, genocide is not something in our DNA. It is the action of midgo and all those who engage in it are brought low by nacdasha ilaahey. And I have never advocated for it. Just look at the other Darood and Hawiye clans today. All are being humiliated.

The simple fact is this; Somaliland is the only way a dhulo/warsangeli will see any hint of power and enfranchisement in a Somali state. The musical chairs between Southern Hawiye and Darood will always sideline smaller northern clans like dhulos, warsans, gadabirsi, ciise etc. It is an inherently corrupt and useless system that has existed since the foundations of the Somali Republic. And it is also one of the contributing factors to the mayhem down south.

The only reason a dhulos person would be against this is due to clan. There is no other observable reason. If it were nationalism, they would have patience and try to convince Isaaq into their way of thinking. They wouldn't be killing geeljires and women in planned ambushes after signing peace agreements and pacts. And that's just today. These people's crimes during SNA's war against Isaaq are innumerable and well documented. So excuse me for having doubt over their patriotism and good intentions.

Anyway, this debate is pointless. Things will never change.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I'm the genocidal maniac but Siad Barre's a national Hero? Cognitive Dissonance at it's finest.

[Xamud.]

Xamud, you are right that Dhulbahante are not facing a military occupation and some of their subclans are party to the situation there.

However, if the Isaaq put their entire military might into forcing their agenda on Sool and Eastern Sanaag, they are more than capable of doing but that would bring Darood as a whole into the conflict. The only reason why other Daroods do not interfere is because they know there are internal divisions between Dhulbahante, hence, why they are found in several camps. However, if a Darood clan is under a serious threat, unlike Samaales, they rally together as illustrated by Mareexans supporting Majeerten in Galkaacyo despite the bad blood between them.

We are not addressing the issue of if they can or can't occupy all of Sool and Eastern Sanaag, of course they can, thats a given, but for how long? they don't have the finances nor the military strength to occupy a large stretch of land like Sool and eastern Sanaag, cuuntada iyo daryeelka ciidamada alone would cost millions, not to mention the guerilla warfare they would be subjected to. If there's anything we have learned from the civil war, its you can't occupy land that don't belong to you and expect to live in peace, how many tribes tried that, and what was the outcome?? ma qabiilada kale oo dhan ayey ka awood badanyihiin.