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Somaliman% wrote:

Rambie wrote:LOL

MJ are Langaab, they are spread over long
uninhabitable area and like over-hype their regions and numbers.

MJ's are small in numbers and can't fight.
That's why SSDF, a weak movement that put to rest
easily by Siad Barre's body guards.

They wouldn't need the Habash to enter Xamar if they
where that strong or had these numbers .

The smallest Somali sub clan (Warsangali, Hart) that is living right next to you
in Bari ( 30 km from Bosasso, Galagal)
Managed to shake the pillars of Puntland and pretty much brought you
to your knees.

There was a time not long ago were a week didn't pass in Puntland without
hearing an explosion or an assassination attempt of some poor elder.

Today, Puntland is bankrupt, the miltia's are not getting paid while
Gaas is silent and doesn't comment. Even after the international community
gave you few millions ad isku dabertan, you're still very weak.

MJ's are masters of deception, that's why Ali Galydh once said:
"I would be open to talks with Somaliland, but never with Puntland"

Puntland is rolling in money, and the whole region is now a success story. puntland is 10 times ahead of somaliland, admitted by faysal cali warrabe. We rule the whole nation.

President Gaas and his Deputy Amay now nursing injuries



GAROWE (Somalilandsun) – Tension are high at the Somalia regional administration of Puntland in Garowe between president Abdiweli Gaas and his Deputy Abdihakim Omar Amay.

According to reports the two Somalia regional administrators who are not in tandem on financial matters translated their differences to the physical with Gaas punching his deputy several times on the face and stomach at the Garowe state lodge on Monday.

The administrators cum combatants just assumed office earlier this year through selection by parliament's 62 members.

The punch up is said to have been a result of missing funds meant for civil servants salary payment that Amay withdrew from the administration's account in Garowe but whereabouts unknown.

Amay who is original from Somaliland but owes allegiance to the Somalia federal Government is said to have used his capacity as acting president while his Gaas was in Ethiopia attending the Tana forum to withdraw the money.

To date the unfortunate civil servants remain unpaid as their deputy president upon withdrawing the paycheck is said to have dispatched to cahoots in Sool region of Somaliland where Khatumoists secessionists led by Somalia MP Ali Khalif Galayd are drumming up support for a Khatumo III conference.

Amay is said to be disillusioned with the failure of Gaas to annex parts of Somaliland as pledged during his election campaign late in 2013 following a massive show of power by the Somaliland government.

President Gas officiates a Puntland regional state function at a lantern lit Presidency in Garowe


GAROWE (Somalilandsun) – The Puntland presidency is in the third day of darkness after power supply was cut.
According to our sources the brownout that has seen President Abdiweli Gas entertain regional state guest in a candles lit mansion is as a result of the non-payment of electricity bills in six months.
"Since Gas took over the presidency in Puntland, the regional state of Somalia has failed to pay its monthly expenditure regularly" said our source
The Garowe ministry of Finance which acknowledges receipt of the final, following similar regular monthly ones, payment demand vouchers from the private supplier also failed to buy more time before payment thence subsequent power supply cuts.
On her fears for the future Ms Muna (pseudo) a civil servant in Galkayo says that the power cut to the presidency in Garowe kills all their hopes for payment of four months accumulated salaries promised recently by the government.

A year ago Protesting Dertvish officers threatened disposing Puntland president Abdiweli Gas

Somalilandsun - Traditional leaders and Islamic Scholars are spearheading efforts to diffuse security tensions emanating from discontent within the armed forces in the Somalia regional administration of Puntland.
In the latest of a long standing saga hundreds of hungry soldiers absconded duties when they left their bases in Garowe under the leadership of Former Deputy Commander-in-Chief of Puntland Police Forces, Gen. Muhiyadin Ahmed Musse .
Since Abdiweli Gas ascended to the presidency in Garowe revolts related to unpaid remunerations thence hunger within the security forces and strikes by civil servants of the Puntland administration have been a regular occurrence though the current rebellion is the biggest and most worrisome for the beleaguered Gas.


Deputy Commander in Chief of Puntland Police Forces Gen. Muhiyadin Ahmed Musse and his revolting soldiers decamp bases in Garowe for the bushes of Nugaal

Deputy Commander in Chief of Puntland Police Forces Gen. Muhiyadin Ahmed Musse and his revolting soldiers decamp bases in Garowe for the bushes of NugaalWith guns at the ready for confrontation with colleagues still loyal to president Abdiweli Gas the commander of the battalions strength mutinying soldiers now camped in Nugaal province Gen. Muhiyadin said the current circumstances emanating from his officers infuriation with unpaid salaries, delayed support services of government and the collective firing of hundreds of troops from the army should be resolved peacefully though they, the mutineers, were ready and prepared for any eventuality. Read More

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Enough said

Key word :

Somali Republic

Rambie wrote:

Somaliman% wrote:

Rambie wrote:LOL

MJ are Langaab, they are spread over long
uninhabitable area and like over-hype their regions and numbers.

MJ's are small in numbers and can't fight.
That's why SSDF, a weak movement that put to rest
easily by Siad Barre's body guards.

They wouldn't need the Habash to enter Xamar if they
where that strong or had these numbers .

The smallest Somali sub clan (Warsangali, Hart) that is living right next to you
in Bari ( 30 km from Bosasso, Galagal)
Managed to shake the pillars of Puntland and pretty much brought you
to your knees.

There was a time not long ago were a week didn't pass in Puntland without
hearing an explosion or an assassination attempt of some poor elder.

Today, Puntland is bankrupt, the miltia's are not getting paid while
Gaas is silent and doesn't comment. Even after the international community
gave you few millions ad isku dabertan, you're still very weak.

MJ's are masters of deception, that's why Ali Galydh once said:
"I would be open to talks with Somaliland, but never with Puntland"

Puntland is rolling in money, and the whole region is now a success story. puntland is 10 times ahead of somaliland, admitted by faysal cali warrabe. We rule the whole nation.

GAROWE (Somalilandsun) – Tension are high at the Somalia regional administration of Puntland in Garowe between president Abdiweli Gaas and his Deputy Abdihakim Omar Amay.

According to reports the two Somalia regional administrators who are not in tandem on financial matters translated their differences to the physical with Gaas punching his deputy several times on the face and stomach at the Garowe state lodge on Monday.

The administrators cum combatants just assumed office earlier this year through selection by parliament's 62 members.

The punch up is said to have been a result of missing funds meant for civil servants salary payment that Amay withdrew from the administration's account in Garowe but whereabouts unknown.

Amay who is original from Somaliland but owes allegiance to the Somalia federal Government is said to have used his capacity as acting president while his Gaas was in Ethiopia attending the Tana forum to withdraw the money.

To date the unfortunate civil servants remain unpaid as their deputy president upon withdrawing the paycheck is said to have dispatched to cahoots in Sool region of Somaliland where Khatumoists secessionists led by Somalia MP Ali Khalif Galayd are drumming up support for a Khatumo III conference.

Amay is said to be disillusioned with the failure of Gaas to annex parts of Somaliland as pledged during his election campaign late in 2013 following a massive show of power by the Somaliland government.

GAROWE (Somalilandsun) – The Puntland presidency is in the third day of darkness after power supply was cut.
According to our sources the brownout that has seen President Abdiweli Gas entertain regional state guest in a candles lit mansion is as a result of the non-payment of electricity bills in six months.
"Since Gas took over the presidency in Puntland, the regional state of Somalia has failed to pay its monthly expenditure regularly" said our source
The Garowe ministry of Finance which acknowledges receipt of the final, following similar regular monthly ones, payment demand vouchers from the private supplier also failed to buy more time before payment thence subsequent power supply cuts.
On her fears for the future Ms Muna (pseudo) a civil servant in Galkayo says that the power cut to the presidency in Garowe kills all their hopes for payment of four months accumulated salaries promised recently by the government.

Qabyalad iyo khat intaa kujirtaan puntland garimeysan, as said by one of your leaders..

Just keeping it real.

Rambie wrote:Just keeping it real.

your source is somaliland sun

CaliQase wrote:

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Enough said

Seriously!! Are you saying Somalis are this small?

Sxb, Somalida wa langaab yet we at each-others throats

Allow dhowr President Gaas.
Wa rageedi!

Halmog wrote:

CaliQase wrote:

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Enough said

Seriously!! Are you saying Somalis are this small?

Sxb, Somalida wa langaab yet we at each-others throats

That was like 100 years ago.
Somalis breed like rabbits, we're at least 15 million today.

Besides, it's not about quantity, but quality.

India vs UK

Bence wrote:Puntland join SL? You must be mad.

Puntland not joining SL? You must be mad. The benefits of doing so is too big to ignore.

I'll ask again, what are the real reasons against PL uniting with SL?

TheCadaanGuy wrote:

Bence wrote:Puntland join SL? You must be mad.

Puntland not joining SL? You must be mad. The benefits of doing so is too big to ignore.

I'll ask again, what are the real reasons against PL uniting with SL?

Didn't you figure it out from the graph already?

Dhulus and Warsans make like 35-40% of all Darood in Somali republic.
If SL get recognized, than 4.5 won't work for 'em anymore.

PL was established for 2 main reasons:

1- Push the federalism system on Somalia.
2- Counter SL aims for recognition (i.e the only save/stable place in Somalia)

They succeeded in both goals.
Now, if SL got recognized, they will be the underdog.
And of course, they won't accept that and will probably either join SL (because we are so fair )
Or start their own Darood country.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Rambie wrote:

TheCadaanGuy wrote:

Bence wrote:Puntland join SL? You must be mad.

Puntland not joining SL? You must be mad. The benefits of doing so is too big to ignore.

I'll ask again, what are the real reasons against PL uniting with SL?

Didn't you figure it out from the graph already?

Dhulus and Warsans make like 35-40% of all Darood in Somali republic.
If SL get recognized, than 4.5 won't work for 'em anymore.

PL was established for 2 main reasons:

1- Push the federalism system on Somalia.
2- Counter SL aims for recognition (i.e the only save/stable place in Somalia)

They succeeded in both goals.
Now, if SL got recognized, they will be the underdog.
And of course, they won't accept that and will probably either join SL (because we are so fair )
Or start their own Darood country.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I did figure it out from the graph but I simply ignored it because it's not relevant.

4.5 clan system doesn't work for Somalia? So what?

Let me lay the facts out:

~ 10 million in Somalia, PL and SL combined.

Assuming the population is divided to the 3 regions equally, that's about 3.33 recurring million for each region.

Somalis in Somalia live bad life due to war. Somalis in PL and SL live alright life due to lack of power (You can't really do anything on your own as because SFG is the boss).

How is that relevant you may ask, and here I answer:

Let's say SL and PL unites to form an alliance. That's 6.66 recurring million vs 3.33 recurring million.

Now they have much stronger chance of recognition. Nobody wants to deal with the government whose the majority of Somalis reject.

What's even better is that the alliance will be able to slowly take over the lands. SNA are stretched to thin and they're not present in peaceful lands. All the alliance soldiers needs to do is walk over and plant a flag. Majority of Somalis will choose the alliance soldiers over Al-Shabaab and bantu soldiers every time.

The only reason why people keep joining Al-Shabaab is because they are stuck in the middle of war between the two sides. For most of them, Al-Shabaab is lesser evil. Not all of them agree with the ideology and I would say many of them are brainwashed. This leaflet I found somewhere says that one of the major signs of an individual being brainwashed with extremist ideology is to talk about politics constantly.

That goes along in the line with what we've seen regarding to Al-Shabaab supporters, they constantly talk about politics, rarely about religion except "They're true Muslims and they are following the correct path to Allah". Not even many of them are able to argue successfully that they're following the correct path.

Anyway, AMISOM will be faced with two choices. Carry on pretending nothing happened or go and murder the alliance soldiers. If they pick the former, Somalia gets taken over. They pick the latter, there will be public outcry and most will side with the alliance soldiers. In order to control the land, you need the support of people.

Once Somalia is taken over, everyone is now happy again (well, except some hardcore tribalists who would rather to die than to be ruled by somebody hailing from a clan they hate). We'll look back and regret why we squabbled in such nonsensical matters.

Woah, it seems I've gone off the tangent.

Back to the discussion. True, PL was established to push the federalism but it was done for the same reasons as Somaliland except PL did not want go for independence because they wanted the idea of Somaliweyen.

Counter SL aims for recognition? Now, this is the conspiracy theory I've been waiting for. Unless you can prove it, I'll assume it is untrue.

Nothing will change for PL if SL gets recognised unless SL decides to meddle in Somali affairs.

Bro,

You need to start reading about
the Somali history post 1960.

Asking baby-like questions here and making general assumption
without having even a basic background won't do you any good.

You're like the clean version of Guwop.

Rambie wrote:

Bro,

You need to start reading about
the Somali history post 1960.

Asking baby-like questions here and making general assumption
without having even a basic background won't do you any good.

You're like the clean version of Guwop.

Many of those are unlikely to happen, but in theory, it can happen and that's best case scenario. Instead of rebutting, all you can do is insult and point me to somewhere? K.

Anyway, the benefits of SL+PL getting together is still better than current status quo.

I've done a lot of reading on history. We know it happened. The past is past. There are still remains who are affected by the history but they are in minority. The horrible bits of our history has never touched vast majority of people. Do they not want to repeat the history by causing the divisions? Many of the grudges we still hold are against clans. Mixing two clans together reduces those grudges. Only way to demolish prejudice completely is to face that prejudice in person.

Old racist white lady will become less racist if she had two black "successful" families as neighbours.

Faroole is good example of this. He has dared to go where nobody has gone. To deal with SL. Had he not been married an isaaq woman, do you really think he would have done that? He knew that the alliance would benefit the country.

Sorry, I didn't read byoend your 33% distrbution of population, but I have read now.
Anyway, you're too optimistic. Somali clans were and still intermarrying with each other.

Sometimes, it solves problems, other times it makes it worse.

You made an example out of Faroole. Well, it's not
like he married his Isaaq wife two years ago. He was married to her
when he was the president of Puntlaand. But, it didn't stop him from playing
hard ball with Isaaq, was very aggressive militarily compared to Gaas.

Many soldiers and high ranks offichals
in the kacaan government had Isaaq wifes or reer abti.
At the same time, most of those who facilitated the events of 88 were
also from that group. Just because people are marrying with
each other doesn't mean it will stop the waring, that's very naive.

I tried to look for it in my history,
but I can't provide you with a screenshot or link to it
since I read it long time ago. But I clearly remember reading
about Abdilahi Yusuf and one of his main goals af establishing PL was to
undermine SL quest for recognition alongside incorporating Harti lands in Sool & Sanaag.

PL join SL? It's like me, the princess, Queen marrying menace the peasant.