Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:08 am
by zumaale
Jabuutawi wrote:
Itrah wrote:Israel has DNA requirements for its citizenship.
Somalia should do the same. Only people with more than 95% Cushitic blood should be allowed to get it. All others should f*ck off, they aren't Somali.
I am awaiting a rebuttal from afhayeenka Sheik T, Zumaale, before I make up my mind .
Are you saying Oromos, Afars, Sahos and others that possess Cushitic blood are entitled to Somali citizenship but not a fellow Somali who posseses awoowe T DNA? If that is the case, we want our own ictiraf in the Horn .
LOOOL Jabuutawi.
Itrah is referring to autosomnal DNA. For instance, he discriminates against some Oromos because they have Omotic ancestry. He considers a T carrying Dire Dawan to be more 'Cushitic' than an E-V32 carrying Borana.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:02 am
by TheblueNwhite
VeiledGarbasar wrote:KirWasaqyahow,
Quruun aa tahay ee naagaha hawiye afkadi ka jeedi.
People who can't seem to grow-up and see qabiil in every damn shit! Uff.
Ha u bixin xayawaankaas xaarkiisa cuna.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:08 am
by Xamud.
Somali citizenship kulaha, most of these people in the video probably hold foreign passport themselves. Waxan so xasuustay ruuwayadi "Magaalo joog xumo" labadi niman oo saxiibaha aha oo isku dilay siday wax u qeybsan lahayen haadi ay lacag cirka uga so dhacdo first fix the nation then talk about citizenship.
Heres an idea, if they want to decide who can hold a Somali passport, they should first leave the comfort of their western countries, secondly they should give up their precious foreign passports. Only then can they dictate ciida xaq u leh Somali passport.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:42 am
by PrinceNugaalHawd
Any one born on Somali soil or lived in Somalia for a while or born to a Somali mother has the right to be Somali.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:01 pm
by Itrah
Jabuutawi wrote:I am awaiting a rebuttal from afhayeenka Sheik T, Zumaale, before I make up my mind .
Are you saying Oromos, Afars, Sahos and others that possess Cushitic blood are entitled to Somali citizenship but not a fellow Somali who posseses awoowe T DNA? If that is the case, we want our own ictiraf in the Horn .
Northwestern T clans are basically pure Cushites. I was talking about the autosomal (complete) ancestry, not linearly.
zumaale wrote:LOOOL Jabuutawi.
Itrah is referring to autosomnal DNA. For instance, he discriminates against some Oromos because they have Omotic ancestry. He considers a T carrying Dire Dawan to be more 'Cushitic' than an E-V32 carrying Borana.
Yep, that's my stance.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:36 am
by Cunaaye25
Somalida Canada degta oo ra'yi gooda dhiibanaya
Somalinimo waala u dhashtaa
Tan siyaasada waalagu kaleh duwaan karaa.
Skip till 21:17 ama iska daawo asagoo idil.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:55 am
by Substance
If your father is Somali then you will be considered somali and can apply to be citizen and yes somali citizenship might not be valuable in the eye of somalis right now but the tune will be different if right wings take over europe.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:31 am
by jalaaludin5
Racism, nepotism and xenophobia with a sprinkle of Hadith quotation and selective interpretation of the Holy Book....
None does it better than Somali.
Allaw Dhawr duulkan wareersan
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Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:37 am
by mahoka
jalaaludin5 wrote:Racism, nepotism and xenophobia with a sprinkle of Hadith quotation and selective interpretation of the Holy Book....
None does it better than Somali.
Allaw Dhawr duulkan wareersan
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jalaludiin i get you are pc, but please stop saying somali. these people are southerners, they are as somali as Icelanders are Africans
somali is dignified. these people just returned from puntland/jubbaland/khaatumoland/gheetolan/long footland protest and they are going to a food stamp protest after this disorganised meeting
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:43 am
by jalaaludin5
mahoka wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:Racism, nepotism and xenophobia with a sprinkle of Hadith quotation and selective interpretation of the Holy Book....
None does it better than Somali.
Allaw Dhawr duulkan wareersan
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jalaludiin i get you are pc, but please stop saying somali. these people are southerners, they are as somali as Icelanders are Africans
somali is dignified. these people just returned from puntland/jubbaland/khaatumoland/gheetolan/long footland protest and they are going to a food stamp protest after this disorganised meeting
What shall i call them? lool
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No one does it better than Southerners. Or Southern Somalis.
How is that?
mise soomaali bah ha ugu yeedhin baad leedahay
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Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:06 pm
by Djiboutian
CaliQase wrote:
Djiboutian wrote:
CaliQase wrote:
باب ابن أخت القوم ومولى القوم منهم
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حدثنا سليمان بن حرب حدثنا شعبة عن قتادة عن أنس رضي الله عنه قال دعا النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم الأنصار فقال هل فيكم أحد من غيركم قالوا لا إلا ابن أخت لنا فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ابن أخت القوم منهم
The Hadith you quote doesn't suit the topic. Once you know the story behind it you will figure out what prophet Mohamed - صلى الله عليه و سلم - meant by " Your nephew is one of you ".
In Hunain battle " Gazwat Hunain ", Al Ansar were not happy with Prophet Mohamed decision to give some of the war booty to new converts " Al Mo'alafat Qulubuhum ". Prophet Moahmed - صلى الله عليه و سلم - requested to have meeting with Al Ansar to listen to their complaints. He asked them if there is any foreigner among them. They said " Our nephew Al Nuaman Bin Muqren - رضي الله عنه ", he replied " Your nephew is one of you". Then he started praising Al Ansar till they calm down and forgot all about Hunain booty. If someone praised your tribe, your nephew has been praised too.
Ask yourself how your nephew, your sister's son, can be considered as one of you if you can't even inherit him? This Hadith as it is written in the link you posted can be qouted in such topics as affinity but can NOT be used as a source when it comes to inheritage or lineage or even citizenship.
P.S. Al Nuaman Bin Moqren - رضي الله عنه - belongs to Al Musani tribe which settled near Madina. Hadi reer abtiga lagu ku hor amaanu inaad faraxdiid muyaani cadhooni maysid. Lakin hadi reer abtiga oo ay tolka col yihin misa ay tolka ka cabanayan laa amaanu waxa dhicin karta inaad tidhahdiin oo maxa tolkay luu amaani waayey!! Sida awgeed waxaan huba in hadi oo Al Nuaman Bin Moqren - رضي الله عنه - ahaan laha Muhajir in luu diidi laha inu shirka ka qayb galo.
I already knew why the Prophet wanted to talk to the Ansaar but what I want to know is how you came to that conclusion (The enlarged part).
I just used your source against you. Here is what is written in the link you posted earlier.
باب ابن أخت القوم ومولى القوم منهم
3327 حدثنا سليمان بن حرب حدثنا شعبة عن قتادة عن أنس رضي الله عنه قال دعا النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم الأنصار فقال هل فيكم أحد من غيركم قالوا لا إلا ابن أخت لنا فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ابن أخت القوم منهم
الحاشية رقم: 1
قوله : ( باب ابن أخت القوم منهم ، ومولى القوم منهم ) أي فيما يرجع إلى المناظرة والتعاون ونحو ذلك ، وأما بالنسبة إلى الميراث ففيه نزاع ، كما سيأتي بسطه في كتاب الفرائض .
Let me ask you now, do you know why Otbah Bin Gazwan - رضي الله عنه - who was mentioned in the other Hadith ceased his position as the governer of Basra, the city which he built ?? Once you know the reason you will know neither your ally nor your nephew is really considered one of you.
You are free to express your views, I don't really care who you give your citizenship to ... It is your country not mine and nothing you guys say here will change the constitution of Somalia but you can't take the Hadith out of context just to prove your point. Just keep Quran and Hadith away from your personal view.
I'm out of this.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:20 pm
by CaliQase
To be honest I haven't read the information in the link I posted but I will read iA and post what I think about it.
BTW I see you guys (Waa reer Jabuutiye) as my own and I am more than happy to share what ever left of this country (I know this is obvious but still). So please don't feel foreign if you ever happen to go there.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:29 pm
by saacJabshee
KingWaslawi wrote:Hawiye iyo Soomaalinimo labadaba maalin baan wada nacay, waa maalintii hablaha masaakiintaa sangadhuudhigu intuu kufsaday markay hadleena iyagii la xidhay oo tacadi loogu daray kufsigii, sangadhuudhigiina suuqa xoriyad ku maray, maalintaas ayaa dhiigu igu karay, Soomaalinimadaan lafta ka jeclaana hog ku riday, ma halkaas ayaan rajo danbe ka sugaa.
Nin naftiisa biime u gashiyo
Bohol xun mooyaane
Bawdada nimay kaga dhacdiyo
Boqonta mooyaane, gobanimo
Bilaash looma helo ban iska taal taale.
I think it was more political than anything. You gotta understand amison have their own progranda and pr wing that portrays the occupation in good light. They will argue against anything that stains their name. Therefor when an amison soldiers steps out of line they will want keep that out of the public eye. The UN every now and again accuses amison of rape but amison cant keep that out of public eye for obvious reasons. Laakin when a poor somali woman is raped, they can bury the story by any means. Simply imagine amison chiefs ordering the president to keep the woman in question in prison for awhile till the story dies and Hassan saying no like he should. They would quickly remind him who looks after him and and his useless goverment and that he is as just as weak as the woman raped. Marka meesha xog ba lagu heysta and our "govement" is on a rope and intimidated by amison who protects it. Marka dadka ku ilalinayo afka ku matagi kartid. Thats why we are seeing practises that dont make any sense to the average somali. If you look at it this way, you wouldnt blame Hawiye or somalinimo. Somalia and evey mamul xog ba lagu heysta and I dont see it changing in the forseeble future.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:38 pm
by saacJabshee
I dont know what to make of this. The way i see it is this. Barwani and all of the reer xamar cad cads were very few in numbers once, now they have populated cities in the south and are classed as somali. In my opinion Darood,dir, isaaq and hawiye are Somali and maybe few others. Laakin thats not the case anymore, qabilo badan ba degan somalia that arent from the big 4. So if barwani and xamar cad cads can get passports why cant an oromo born to a somali woman have a somali passport?
That poor lady shouldnt have attended maskinta, she was almost beggin for acceptance.
Maybe we should redefine which qabils are somali. I thought the big four and still do are somali. But we have tumal, madhiban carab salax and many more. Laakin the ones we know like bantu, barwani and cad cads shouldnt be considered.
Re: Heated discussion about who can get somali citizenpship[video]
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:50 pm
by Gabre
There's a lot I want to say, but to keep it short:
1) No one's packing their bags to fly to Somalia and apply for your citizenship, relax.
2) Rightwing Somalis in foreign countries (aka the extreme majority of the diaspora) make me sick. You people are exactly same as the southern hicks in the USA here. Xenophobic, racist, inbred as all hell, incredibly obese, mouth-breathing, drunk on religious dogma, with this stupid misplaced nationalistic pride over an aint-shit country and aint-shit gassed up past. For all intents and purposes, the bonnie blue flag is the same as the confederate flag for these kinds of people. It gives me a good feeling wiping my ass on a toilet-roll of them I got online everyday.
PS: All of the hypocrites in these videos with dual citizenship or passports should immediately surrender their western or Arab citizenship and prove they're really about that #SomaliaHanoolaato life and move to Somalia. Then we can watch them calaacal with their vacant stares and ask what's really good? Are you ready now to strip the Gosha family that's lived in Jamaame longer than your ass of their "Somali citizenship" now fuccbois?
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first fix the nation then talk about citizenship.