Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

[Somaliweyn]

ii bashaala with the laughters to save yourself some face. I can understand the need for these silly laughters.

[Twisted_Logic]

Voltage,

If you would have cared to read what I wrote and not allow blind clanistic tendencies to blur your vision, you will come to the conclusion that I have addressed each and every-point that you have raised. Nevertheless, intellectual deficit is a recurrent disorder and can be treated! If it is going to make you happy, I will address your answers yet again in a manner that even a school-boy can comprehend!

1) Aideed’s occupation of the Gedo region and the embarrassing defeat of the Marehan by forces loyal to Aideed and his Sacad sub-clan.

The USC assault on the Darood forces was swift and methodical and it overthrew the corrupt and incompetent regime of Siyad Barre and dealt the Darood clan and especially the Marehan the most humiliating defeat ever witnessed in contemporary Somali history! As the USC pursued the Darood throughout Somalia, the Marehan could not even find safety in their own ancestral homelands such as Kismayo and the Gedo region. In fact, the occupation of Gedo and the ensuing massacre of the Marehan inhabitants and their livestock were justified as a sweet pay-back and utter disgrace designed to add salt to the already widening wound of the Marehan by Aideed and his Sacad militias after the massacre of innocent Sacad people in the Mudug region when the dictator was in power. Furthermore, even though they possessed the bulk of the Somali military arsenal, they Marehan and their Darood mercenaries were chased out of the country, in essence becoming the first clan to be forced out of Somalia. The mere fact, that, yesterday’s bureaucrats and civil-servants were forced to live in refugee camps in Kenya and Ethiopia such as Kakuma alongside Sudanese refugees, is a disturbing remainder of the military out-come of the 1990s clan-wars. In addition, it is a very well-known fact that Aideed’s primary objective was to humiliate the Marehan, destroy their villages and towns, rape their women, murder their men and own their homes in Mogadishu! As soon as he accomplished his mission, Aideed reserved his full attention to Mogadishu. In fact, when the Sacad militias came back to Mogadishu a lot of them settled in homes belonging to the Marehan and other Darood, and I personally heard a first-hand account of a Sacad man forcefully marrying a Marehan woman, killing her husband and children and living in their house. In addition, Aideed certainly didn’t see the wisdom of ruling the Gedo region- the most barren and arid region in Somalia and lacking any strategic worth. By Aideed’s own calculations, it was far better to occupy the vital strategic lines linking the Marehan of Gedo and those of the Jubboyinka and Galgaduud, and installs numerous check-points and imposes tax of both business and human movement, in essence, keeping them weak, divided and vulnerable- in other words starting the economic domination of the Marehan by the Ceyr! The Marehan were only too happy to accept the reality, and they willingly welcomed it. The relationship between the Ceyr and the Marehan was simple. It was one of victim-protector relationship! For you to come here and construct and elaborate wall of myths designed to deflect off reality is futile, especially after every-one has brushed aside your perverted fantasies!

By contrast, when Aideed attacked the Mudulood clan, he had to employ all HG, Murusade, Xawadle and Rahanwayne clans. A lot of these clans joined the war because they thought that Mudulood will be a walk in the park, but after 4 months of an all-out assault and no new territory to prove for it, the coalition of Hawiye clans crumbled and Mudulood stood up as the victors. By the end of the war, we controlled and ruled at least 10 out of the 16 districts in Mogadishu. It is really no-one’s fault that the only districts you know in Mogadishu are Karaan and Medina! If any-thing, it is only true that the while the Marehan were chased all the way into Kenya, the Mudulood stood their ground and gave the third to the HG and their Hawiye allies. That is the contrast that exists between the Mudulood and the Marehan. One is defenseless victim and the other is a political and economic powerhouse in Somalia!

II) The intrinsic fifth-column status of the Marehan, their ugly history of treason and national-back stabbing:

A baseless claim that you often used is that the Marehan clan is one which is patriotic and always working for the national good. Of course, the reality couldn’t be any further from the truth!

As Somaliwayne has proved, the first seeds of treasons and national back-stabbing were planted by the Marehan during the European colonization of our country. As the facts have proved beyond the shadow of doubt, the Marehan has voluntarily begged the British to use them as soldiers in their war against other Europeans countries. That the Marehan request was made at a time when the whole Somali nation was busy fighting the colonizers speaks volumes about the intrinsic fifth-column status of the Marehan. To add more salt to injury, they have even offered to marry off their women to the colonizers. By contrast, the first colonizers in Somalia were killed in Warsheikh by Mudulood clansmen. The contrast is stark and it exposes your desperate attempts to cover the truth!

The treachery of the Marehan and their efforts to back-stab the Somali people didn’t stop with the departure of the European colonizers. In the fall of 2006, as the whole Somali nation stood together as a united people, the Marehan turncoats together with their warlord leader Barre Hirale deconstructed a highly complicated and sinister Western geo-political and strategic interests with grave consequences for Somalia, into a simple feud between Hawiye and Darood, in essence, bringing a Hawiye Vs. Darood debate when the Ethiopian mercenaries were massing their troops within our national borders. That he made the infamous statement that, “for the Hawiye, we will even invite the Zionists to fight them,” is both an ugly and disturbing remainder of the inherent treachery and fifth-column status of the Marehan. Of course, this disgusting behavior is completely in line with the cooperation of the Marehan such as Ina Bax to fight along-side the Ethiopians in their hunt of a fellow Somali groups such as Al Ittihad Al Islam in the late 1990s.

Whether we like or not, the current quandary of the Somali affairs has its genesis in the sinister clan agendas of the three mad men- namely Mohamed Siyad Barre, Aideed and Abdullahi Yusuf. The clan-based competition for power and control initiated by these three men dealt the most severe blow to our hopes of coming together as people. The legacy of Mohamed Siyad Barre is one of national treason, defragmentation of the Somali state and the ushering a highly segregated society along clan and even sub-clan lines. True, the gentleman has died, but to turn a blind eye to his ugly past together with the actions of Aideed and Abdullahi Yusuf is both an insult and treacherous. The suffering people of Somalia deserve an explanation for the failure of the Somali state. Mohamed Siyad Barre will for-ever remain and stigma and the catalysis for the failure of the Somali state. Any attempts to cover the ugly realities of the guy’s heinous past are both futile and silly!

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Voltage"]Kol horaan kula taliyey, markhaati baad ka ahayd markaan iri "War Somaliweyn vacation tii hore oo kale la mid ah qaado yaa ku yiraahdo" [/quote]

It is really silly how desprate you are! it is clear that you have no facts on your side! Go ahead amuse your self with fantasies and fairy-tales!

[Somaliweyn]

Good points raised up. But will he refute them or dance around them?

As for the request of fighting in Europe. The groups that did it were Northeastern and others, Southwestern group was not part of it.

Yet, this does not mean they were no footsoldiers for the British Jubaland around the end of the first WWI. Matter of fact, they were used like the Indians around 1917-18, in fighting Somali groups and been instrumental in breaking up resistance.

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Read: Mentioned in despacthes for Jubaland 1917-18 by Keith Steward FRGS

Some excerps from the article:

''Captain O Martin was ordered to obtain scouts, reliable guides, baggage camels
and local Marehan Levies in readiness for pursuit of the rebels.''

''The inland column under Colour Sergeant Farah Rageh of G Company was sent out on the
night of December 20th/21st for Karap. There were 30 rank & file (15 from G Company & 15
mounted infantry), with 230 Marehan riflemen and 45 spearmen.''

''There were 60 Somali rank & file from G and the mounted infantry company, 120
Swahili’s from C & E companies, 24 Government Somali Scouts (Illaloes), 18 rank and file
from F company, 300 Marehan Levies and two Lewis guns.''

''Later news reached the camp that No 1 column had
captured a large quantity of enemy camels, but was being attacked by Auhilan in force. The
Marehan Levies had bolted, but the KAR troops were holding firm.''

''Captain
Martin despatched 30 Somali Riflemen under Colour Sergeant Mohamed Amiashi and a
further 150 Marehan Levies to Hafalani, six hours march away.''

''Once again the Marehan Levies proved to be absolutely useless and bolted.''

''only five British Officers and 96 Somali troops (G and the MI
Company) supported by just over 100 Swahali troops and the rather useless Marehan Levies.''
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Footsoldiers indeed. Not only used as footsoldiers but rather useless ones since they ran away at the hearing of the first bullets.

And they want to denounce Mudulood as been traitors and weak? Denouncing us as traitors on the basis of recent actions by individuals instead of looking at the long history of the clan! Denouncing us as weak on the basis of their constructed fiction of Mudulood losing Mogadishu while Gedo was occupied 8 months? Indeed the British were right: useless levies who run away.


Case closed

[m.o.i-sabriye]

baseless.

[Voltage]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"]Voltage,

If you would have cared to read what I wrote and not allow blind clanistic tendencies to blur your vision, you will come to the conclusion that I have addressed each and every-point that you have raised. Nevertheless, intellectual deficit is a recurrent disorder and can be treated! If it is going to make you happy, I will address your answers yet again in a manner that even a school-boy can comprehend!
[/quote]



This is getting extremely redundant. This individual has got to be the most dense person ever to have the privilege to cross swords with me. If this was a course paper, I have no reservations that you would get an F on it. Why write about China when the topic has always been about Argentina? Yet you stress that you answered ANY of the charges leveled against you never mind the all you fantasize about answering. Where are the intellectuals of this place so they can witness such appalling comprehension skills?

Again, since you seemed to have regurgitated your previous article that I already responded to, I will reproduce my last comment to you which STILL begs to be addressed. Mindhaa akhriskaa ku adag


Twisted_Logic

In brute honesty, I did not read more than two sentences of your rebuttal, if we can call it a rebuttal. As I addressed with definite finality in my last schooling of you, I made it more than clear the parameters and the objectives of the debate. In the hopes that you could possibly overlook your genetic deficiencies I hoped an unseen hope that maybe, just maybe you would be able to address the topic and give me an fitting response that I could, with all due respect, sink my teeth into. This was not to be however, as your deficiencies held sway and you went on a campaign seeking to impart judgment on the late presidency of one Mohammed Siad Barre. As Luq felt it necessary to ask, what in the world does Mohammed Siad Barre have to do with this topic, I also ask what evidence can you present that refutes my central points vis-a-vis Mudulood's position in the current Somali politics/occupation?

Now again, though I do believe it is too much to ask in your humble case, I ask you to respond fittingly to my central points and that of the topic as a whole. Siad Barre is not part of the topic nor his presidency, therefore he should not be the excuse that takes 95% of your responses. While this is telling in it itself, I must admonish you in the most severest of terms and ask whether it is your comprehension deficiencies that are making you avoid the topic altogether or whether you are indeed a capable writer but seeking to ignore the topic as it shames you? As Luq said you did not manage to refute ANY of my points, why is this one asks? Well for starters I believe the Siad government as a broad based former government leads one to write more than a juicy tidbit and so because of this you might have chosen to attack it in order to seem just as capable of writing as myself but in another instance it could be that you do, in fact, feel the SHAME that I described and want to avoid the central theme of the topic itself.

To re-conclude, please address with definite finality this accusation presented even to yourself and please do not ignore it again other wise I will be forced to conclude that you are in tangent agreement with me:

---"*Two (2.)*

With the defeat of Aydiid's forces where his forces were near obliterated, his chance of ruling Somalia were close to a quranic prophetic miracle, where he was injured and morally broken, and with the loss of nearly all his weaponry, the said man came back to the Mogadishu that had existed for centuries as primarily a Mudulood deegaan and declared he was the mayor Mogadishu if he could not be the president of Somalia. Mudulood coward in fear. In an attempt to bolster supported, they gathered a conglomerate of forces including the revengeful Murusade (who attained the nickname "beesha Kuwait" after their defeat at the hands of the Sacad), etc and decided in a miraculous show of forced bravery that they would once and for all expel Aydiid from Mogadishu. Aydiid attacked. The conglomerate of forces could do none but watch as Aydiid's forces took over all the districts of Mogadishu except for Kaaraan and Medina (the only two districts that have stayed out of Habar Gidir hands even today). This is the stalemate that Mudulood has watched with anger, fear, and revenge all these years. Aydiid's forces even expanded and tookover such areas as Afgooye (Mudulood Wacdaan).

Because of this reason, the Mudulood have chosen to be the willing donkeys to whom this occupation rests on and owes most gratitude to. What other clan has ALL of it's national leaders from their warlords to traditional leaders, intellectuals to religious leaders, have all been recorded as not only supporting the Ethiopian offensive in Mogadishu but have given material support to see about an Ethiopian victory over the Habar Gidir and expulsion from Mogadishu, a long-term objective of the hapless and largely weak Mudulood. You yourself, Twisted_Logic, have been recorded on this very forum as a prime supporter of the TFG/Ethiopians and have even been addressed countless times by others ranging from Ismahan to Gamadiid. Infact, only after you have been shown of your national position in politics with the firing of Gheedi, have you become somewhat modest in your support of the TFG. Now understanding that the aim of this topic was to show that majority of Mudulood are willing collaborators of the Ethiopian actions in Mogadishu, are you not yourself the prime example of all I have explained here and part of the representation of the Mudulood as the willing donkeys to whom this occupation owes its existence to? "---

Do notice that the challenge is presented to your being for that matter and I have legitimately chosen to use you as my foremost example and the evidence for my argument in this very forum. In your existence as a member of this forum, you have continued to be the prime example of the defenders of the Ethiopian occupation in Somalia, supporting those turn-coats of that are the manifest representation of your clan, and have even been more vocal than youths of other pro-TFG clans such as the Majeerteen in your support of what the status quo of Somalia is. You are Mudulood and were only a product of your clan's mainstream position vis-a-vis Somali politics at the current and this is what I have made more than apparent in my topic and charge leveled against the dense fellow Somaliweyn. It is remarkable that the most foremost example of my theory now wishes to speak directly to me albeit in a decietful manner that seeks to drag the discussion to the Siad presidency and other areas that could be considered sublimely irrelevant to this topic. Twisted_Logic, what in reality do you have that refutes my statements leveled against your clan when you, yourself, is the manifestation of the charges I have leveled?

[Voltage]

[quote="Somaliweyn"]Footsoldiers indeed. Not only used as footsoldiers but rather useless ones since they ran away at the hearing of the first bullets.

And they want to denounce Mudulood as been traitors and weak? Denouncing us as traitors on the basis of recent actions by individuals instead of looking at the long history of the clan! Denouncing us as weak on the basis of their constructed fiction of Mudulood losing Mogadishu while Gedo was occupied 8 months? Indeed the British were right: useless levies who run away.


Case closed [/quote]

Oh s.hut for goodnessake. You are like the sparrow that cracks too long and one hit with one stone, falls over. Nobody has time to address your silly made up things when this forum has witnessed enough evidence of Marehan history vis-a-vis Colonial era. That I am not addressing you seriously or bring anything from our plethora of sources should make you realize your worth around me.

[Alluring]

[X-unit]

War don't talk to these kids guys....walahi it is waste of breath....it is worth debating when someone is taking what you said into consideration........Somaliweyn n twisted u guys have valid points unlike some morons in here who just write so they can reply to what ya said....but i wonder where these morons were when the brains were being passed out?.....

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

Xawadle liita qaraaray.

[sadeboi]

Luq, the guy does not even understand what the conversation is about. I dare you to ask him to summarize the conversation for us, and why he thinks one side is wrong and the other is right

He is just like his cousin alchemist.

[X-unit]

[quote="sadeboi"]Luq, the guy does not even understand what the conversation is about. I dare you to ask him to summarize the conversation for us, and why he thinks one side is wrong and the other is right

He is just like his cousin alchemist.[/quote]

Sad-bio:I don't prove myself to an incompetent like you.

Luq sxb yaan ku daqrin..... haddii muslim tahid dariiq kaas iga mar....

[sadeboi]

Luq like I told you

x-unit iska seexo abti.

[X-unit]

[quote="sadeboi"]Luq like I told you

x-unit iska seexo abti.[/quote]

I would love to debate with you but do I have to accomplish....other than exposing ur stupidity...

[smooth]

"whose majority of leaders are the faces used to legitimize Ethiopia being in Xamar"
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every charge that was leveled at the pro Tigray fraction of Mudulood is irrefutable.