salafi fitna on the somali sisters

[ModerateMuslim]

subhanallah! you really follow this munafiq, i.e. the biggest fraud and hypocrite from the salafi deen?

wallahi you're beyond lost. may allah swt help you.

[The_Patriot]

Stop taking about the Talafis

[Lil_Cutie..]

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subhanallah! you really follow this munafiq, i.e. the biggest fraud and hypocrite from the salafi deen?

wallahi you're beyond lost. may allah swt help you.[/quote]



SalamAlaikum,
Have listened to what he is saying? Is it him you have a problem with or the topic bro? If it's him, that's not a problem sometimes I find it hard to listen to certain speakers. But if its the topic perhaps we can start from somewhere else?..

- Lol

[ModerateMuslim]

wallahi you're lost if you follow this evil man! and that's all i can say!

[Enlightened~Sista]

These people are repelling people off the diin..imisaa diintii ka baxday because of Madkhalis and their cousins?


Allah yilcanhum

[BaasAbuur]

These people are repelling people off the diin..imisaa diintii ka baxday because of Madkhalis and their cousins?


Allah yilcanhum

Qof diinta shaqsi kale dartiis uga baxe waaba xayawaan and never had any faith in the teachings of his or her religion to begin with. They were not real muslims to begin with.

[Lil_Cutie..]

Lil Cutie are you a Salafi?

AssalaamuAlaikum sis,
I'm a Muslim sister who follows the Quran and the Sunnah according to the Pious Predecessors (the way of the Salaf) Do I go round calling myself a 'Salafi' ? ..Not really, it's not the first thing I would shout. At times though, you may come across some people who blindly follow an Imam, for instance I know many sisters who follow Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) etc. When you debate with them about certain issues of aqeeda it is clear that actually you really should distinguish yourself from certain things, so I tell them that I follow the Quran, the Sunnah and the Salaf - I am not Hanafi, but Alhamdulilah a Salafi.
Some of the Ulema, say it is compulsory in these times to call yourself a 'Salafi' to seperate yourself from the people of Bid'ah. Such as the respected Shaykh Al Albani. For example there are many Muslims who do practices of Sufism and yet call themselves Sunni. Others such as the esteemed Shaykh Uthaymeen say you shouldn't as it divides the Muslims and may become a form of Hizb.

And Allah knows best.. Alhamdulilah Islam is the Middle ground.


OK I admit, I have come across some individuals who call themselves Salafi and have a thuggish gang-like mentality, but why would you base your opinion about the Salafi Manhaj on them? SubhanAllah. Isn't that what the Kufrs do? They base their opinions about Islam, Muslims, Sharia Law, Muslim lands, Muslim women based on what they see and hear from the news and a few ignorant people.

Before I read about the da'watul Salafiyoon I had come across some brothers and even sisters with poor manners and serious basic aklaaq issues (what I thought at the time). But now, I look at them and I understand that sometimes its your passion for something which makes you like that. They love Allah, they understand Tawheed and implement it, and they love the Sunnah and cling on to it and protect it from any innovations because that is the worst thing. Alhamdulilah. Where ever you go you will come across people with bad manners but I hope that Allah corrects that from you and I and for all the Muslims. But know that the Prophet Muhammad came to correct our manners, he had the best of manners, and Allah loves those who perfect their manners. Etiquettes, Manners, and Morals are a part of Islam. How many times has Allah told us in the Quran to be good to our parents, to be good to our neighbours, to be good to our brothers and sisters, to be good to our children, to be good to the non-Muslims, subhanallah..

It is related by 'Abdullah bin Amr that the Prophet, peace be upon him, "The best of you are those who possess the best of manners."
- Bukhari and Muslim


But having said that, if you’re thinking badly about your brothers and sisters just because they say they are upon the salafi manhaj, what does that say about your manners? Whats the real reason? InshaAllah Ta'ala make your intensions pure for the sake of Allah, learn the deen of Islam. The way it has been taught to us by the Prophet Muhammad and outlined in the Quran, not the way of our forefathers and friends. Because how different are we from the kufr of the Quraysh then?
ILM is very important we will be asked about our time and our knowledge. SubhanAllah..!! Learn the deen people, look at how easy it is to access knowledge nowadays, back in the days people would travel miles and miles for a hadith. Just to verify a hadith. Now we have volumes and volumes of books, even the whole of Tafsir Ibn Kathir in ONE Volume! If the sahabah saw us now, SubhanAllah.. We’ve seriously disgraced them. The efforts they went through to convey the deen and protect it for US, Compling the Quran so it doesn’t get lost for US, the Scholars classifying hadiths for US.

[Lil_Cutie..]

wallahi you're lost if you follow this evil man! and that's all i can say!

The orginal poster, brang up Abu Khadija.. So I thought its only right I get you something REAL about him.








I could go on and on .. But SubhanAllah my computers playing up. So Assalaamu Alaikum for now..

[SPIRIT]

let me tell you something about your wonderful abu khadija, am asuming you do know hes parnter abu hakim bilal davis, since these two guys have raped the honour of so many muslims around the world with their non based ilm fatawa's, and ate the flesh of so many dead people such as syid qutb, ahmed dedaad, and from the menbar attacked all the brothers who are locked up in belmash prisons, and said about them : "they are danger to all muslims and none muslims in this country, even thought they have not been found guilty, they are still guilty of the khawarij and terrerisom mind-set"
..but never mind we'll excuse them, because as all humans we do love the limlight when it shines on us, and so many young misguided see's these two as super-stars, and when you have a following..you have to keep up apearncess....but the line is drawn somewhere..and when they begin to attack the honour of mujahdeen in afganinstan and chychan, then they are trying to change the deen of Allah azaa wajaal..when they starts labeling anyone and everyone who doesnt pray at their masjid a bid'3ii..then you have to wonder..where have i heard before the phraze "you eitha with us or againts"

There is a common theme amongst these SPuds:

1 - Money
2 - Status and Power
3 - Women


So what does Allah say?

{ زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ ٱلشَّهَوَاتِ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَاءِ وَٱلْبَنِينَ وَٱلْقَنَاطِيرِ ٱلْمُقَنْطَرَةِ مِنَ ٱلذَّهَبِ وَٱلْفِضَّةِ وَٱلْخَيْلِ ٱلْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَٱلأَنْعَامِ وَٱلْحَرْثِ ذٰلِكَ مَتَاعُ ٱلْحَيَاةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا وَٱللَّهُ عِنْدَهُ حُسْنُ ٱلْمَآبِ }

Beautified for Men is love of the joys (that come) from women and offspring; and stored-up heaps of gold and silver, and horses branded and cattle and land. That is comfort of the life of the world. Allah! With Him is a more excellent abode.

Ka'ab bin Maalik reports that Rasulullah (Sallallahu 'alaihi Wasallama) said:

"Two hungry wolves let loose upon a flock of sheep can not inflict as much harm as the destruction greed for wealth and status can inflict upon the Deen of a person."

(Reported by Tirmidhee)

This Hadeeth makes it evident that greed and lust for wealth and position are not two hungry wolves— they are far more dangerous and destructive than hungry wolves.

The greed for wealth and position would lead one to aquire the world by any means whatsoever, even if such means are prohibited by the Sustainer and Nourisher — Allah Ta'ala. This insatiable desire for the glitter and glamour of this temporary abode would cause a "respectable" person to lie, hide the fault of the merchandise, commit fraud and a host of other HARAAM acts. This greed would make a wealthy person invoke the curse of Allah Ta'ala upon himself by involving himself in such transactions wherein the taking OR giving of interest occurs. This he would do merely so that he also could live like a millionaire. It is only the sand of the grave that will fill this hunger and arrest it in its tracks.

So the fitnah of women, wealth and status is destoying these people .... when are they gonna wake up?


oh yea..let me tell you about these two "SHIEKS",,, There was a sister from Abroad,which we not going to mention her country,an american talafi from salafi masjid in birmingham got chatting to her on paltalk and she ended up coming over and marrying the talafi..now..4 months into the marrige he got up one day and left without a word, gone back to america or she was told..few months passed by and when she didnt kno what to do..she went to see abu usaamah in greenlane masjid...she asked for khulla or divorce, he said he couldnt do it coz the brother could of gone for a short while and he could be back at any time..makes sence maybe he went for "noble cause" if you know what i mean..then she went to central masjid and they told her they needed a forwarding address or some sort of communication with the man before they could issue a divorce...now she came to SHIEK ABU KHADIJA, who on the spot issued the divorce and 2 weeks later married her off to SHIEK ABU HAKIM BILLAL DAVIS...a year gone by he divorced her and abu khadija married her...now this is the funny bit..abu hakim wanted her back..and abu khadija refused so they fell out..and the "BROTHERS" spilit into two camps no salam, no umra plans, no lessons, and when they saw the business going down, they decided abu khadija will divorce her and give her back to abu hakim just like wife swap...or a dvd from the store ..u finish with her then u giv her back..it must of been one of the conditions of the mehr..or some like that...anyway..everything in the house of of SALAFI MASJID is back...sharing is caring after all....

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check that site out

[SPIRIT]

in the last elections, Labour MP for Birmingham, Sparkbrook Also represented Birmingham Small Heath, he refused to sit down with the somalis to help them gain a planning permission for masjid ar-rahama, he refused to endorse the application of a somali mother who was about to get kicked out of the country with her 8 children, he failed to help the somali community in smallheath when we came under-attack from the media following the killing of wpc Sharon Beshenivsky, this man has no love for any Muslim and see's somalis ghetto'ising he's beloved Small-heath, and big member of FRIENDS OF ISREAL, who not only failed to speak out againts isreal. but also likes showing off hes jewish background.

check the background:

Voting record (from PublicWhip)
How Roger Godsiff voted on key issues since 2001:

Voted moderately against a transparent Parliament. votes, speeches Voted moderately against introducing a smoking ban. votes, speeches
Voted strongly for introducing ID cards. votes, speeches
Voted a mixture of for and against introducing foundation hospitals. votes, speeches
Voted moderately against introducing student top-up fees. votes, speeches
Voted strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws. votes, speeches
Voted for the Iraq war. votes, speeches
Voted moderately against an investigation into the Iraq war. votes, speeches Voted very strongly against replacing Trident. votes, speeches
Voted strongly for the hunting ban. votes, speeches
Voted strongly for equal gay rights. votes, speeches Voted for laws to stop climate change. votes, speeches
Read about how the voting record is decided.

with all that in mind, when the election time came, we tried our hardest to expose this man, and was telling all friends and family to not to vote for this man, and vote for the newcomer sister salma ya'qoob, althought we didnt know her, but we knew she was trying to make a diffrence, she was orgnasing rallies againts the iraq war, she was out there getting the people out for the rallies againts isreal when they invaded lebonan,and killed 1000's of muslims, so she was better than this man who voted to kill all the muslims in iraq, but we noticed something else was happening, the salafi masjid was printing out 1000's of leaflets telling everyone that voting was haram, and salama ya'qoob was the face of kufr, and she was their to change our religion, every friday abu khadija or abu hakeem will stand there and slate this sister,who led the people in the last 2 demos againts the ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAUGE IN BIRMINGHAM, they got their people out on to the streets telling everyone who ever votes is comiting shirk/kufr/bid'a, 1000's of leaflets later, 10's of khutba's & lectures demonizing and assasinating salma yaqoobs character, the sister lost the election..

[toby]

assalamu allykum

inshallah on judgement day be ready to stand infront of allah and say this as you al might be hidden behind the computer but on judgement day walaahi you will not be hidden from allah.

you can slander the brothers or sisters but you will be questioned.

just remmmebr this is allah's deen notyour emotions that drive you to say anything you want and we all know elections is from the kufar and thats there legislation so no muslim should take part in it no matter who it is.
if you want to shout or cry go ahead as this deen is complete and it will go on with us or with out us and there will always be a group apprant on the truth nd who speak the truth.

if you read rayid salalihin you will see what imam nawawi rahimuhullah said about the permissibelity of back biting.

and rememmeber its not permissible to call any1 a shaheed unless allah and his prophet said. WE DO NOT AFFIRM PRADISE FOR ANY1 EXCEPT THOSE ALLAH HAS AFFIRMED FOR.

INSHHALLAH REMEMEBER IF YOU LIE AGAINST SOME1 AND YOU SAY SOMETHING WHICH IS NOT TRUE REMEMMEBR THAT PERSON WILL ON JUDGEMENT DAY COLLECT HIS RECOMPENSE

OHH MY BROTHERS AND SISTER DONT BE THE MUFLIS THE BANKRUPT ONE ON JUDGEMENT DAY WHERE YOU GOOD DEEDS WILL BE TAKEN FOR THINGS YOU SAY AND DO

[military-mind]

is this what you call a wadaad beef

[SPIRIT]

As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.



According to Islamic Law, there are certain matters which absolve a person from the sin of ghibah (backbiting), as follows:

First, complaining about oppression or injustice: It is lawful for an oppressed or wronged person to mention the evil things committed against him by one who has oppressed or wronged him, in the presence of someone who is supposed to bring him his right back.

Second, seeking others’ assistance for changing something wrong and bringing an oppressor back to the way of righteousness.

Third, seeking a Fatwa regarding a certain matter: However, it is recommendable for the person who wants to do so to use hints or indirect references when telling the Mufti about his legal opinion concerning "someone" who has wronged him.

Fourth, warning a Muslim against some evil: One, for example, is permitted to warn a pious person against some wicked or immoral person whom he visits frequently without knowing about his wickedness or immorality. This is also recommendable in consultation regarding matters such as marriage and entrusting money to people and the like. However, if the consulted person here has to warn against some evil, he must do so out of good advice, and not calumniation and slander.

Fifth, if a person is known with a special title such as "the lame" or "the bleary-eyed," it is not an act of ghibah to call him as such. But, if he can be recognized with another means, it is preferable to use this means instead of calling him with such titles.

Sixth, if a person commits immoral and indecent acts in public and does not feel shy of doing so, it is not an act of ghibah to tell the others about these acts.


now on the issue of voting listen to what the Ullamah of this ummah have said :

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen on voting

Arabic:


أنا أرى أن الانتخابات واجبة ، يجب أن نعين من نرى أن فيه خيراً ، لأنه إذا تقاعس أهل الخير ، مَنْ يحل محلهم ؟ سيحل محلهم أهل الشر ، أو الناس السلبيون الذين ما عندهم خير ولا شر ، أتباع كل ناعق ، فلابد أن نختار من نراه صالحاً .
فإذا قال قائل : اخترنا واحداً لكن أغلب المجلس على خلاف ذلك .
قلنا : لا مانع ، هذا الواحد إذا جعل الله فيه البركة وألقى كلمة الحق في هذا المجلس سيكون لها تأثير ولا بد ، لكن الذي ينقصنا الصدق مع الله ، نعتمد على الأمور المادية الحسية ولا ننظر إلى كلمة الله عز وجل .... فَرَشِّحْ مَنْ ترى أنه خير ، وتوكل على الله

English:

"I think that elections are obligatory; we should appoint the one who we think is good, because if the good people abstain, who will take their place? Evil people will take their place, or neutral people in whom there is neither good nor evil, but they follow everyone who makes noise. So we have no choice but to choose those who we think are fit.

If someone were to say: We chose someone but most of the parliament are not like that,

We say: It does not matter. If Allaah blesses this one person and enables him to speak the truth in this parliament, he will undoubtedly have an effect. But what we need is to be sincere towards Allaah and the problem is that we rely too much on physical means and we do not listen to what Allaah says. So nominate the one who you think is good, and put your trust in Allaah".

("Liqaa’aat Al Baab Al Maftooh, no. 210).

Source: http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/all/soun...le_16230.shtml



السؤال من أمريكا عن حكم الانتخابات - ليس الدخول في الانتخابات - وإنما هو عن التصويت لبعضهم لما يرون من تحقيق المصالح للمسلمين في ذلك. وليس الأمر قضية التصويت في الانتخابات الفدرالية (التي هي الانتخابات الكبرى) وإنما في الانتخابات المحلية للذين لهم صلاحية في إعطاء المسلمين أراضي ومباني مهجورة وما إلى ذلك من المصالح التي إذا لم يقم المسلمون بالتصويت لهم فسيصوت لهم غيرهم ويحصلون على هذه المصالح. فجزاكم الله خيرا يا شيخنا لو كان لكم نصيحة في ذلك؟

الشيخ: والله الذي يظهر لي - إن شاء الله - إذا كان يرجى وراء هذا التصويت خير نصوت شخصا ولو كان كافرا ما دام هو قائم بمصالح المسلمين أو يعد أنه يقوم بمصالح المسلمين. فلا ينبغي أن يمتنع المسلمون في التصويت له، وخاصة إذا كان هناك اشتراطات قد يشترط رئيس المسلمين. مثلا نحن نؤتيك أصواتنا بشرط أن تعمل لنا أو ترفع قضايانا وتؤيد قضايانا. وهذا ليس لأمريكا فقط بل لأي بلد المسلمون فيها أقلية. قد يحتاجون إلى وضع يد وإحسان على هؤلاء الوزراء وغيرهم بمثل هذه الأعمال حتى هم يقوموا بأعمال بدلها في صالح الإسلام والمسلمين.

وعلى ما تفضلت أنت أن خاصة الانتخابات البلدية وأن الذي يرش أو الذي ينجح قد يكون في يده إعطاء بعض الأراضي لبناء المدارس. وهذا قد عرفت أنهم يعطون حتى في الهند أيضا، ففي مثل هذا ينبغي في الحقيقة ألا يتأخروا عن إعطاء أصواتهم أبدا لا يتأخروا، لأنهم إذا لم يعطوا صوتهم لا يضرهم. وهم ينجحون عن طريق غير المسلمين أيضا، فلذلك ينبغي أن يكون لهم يد على هؤلاء وإحسان بإعطاء أصواتهم حتى يستفيدوا من إمالتهم وإمالة آرائهم لقضايا المسلمين وهذا تقتضيه المصلحة العامة الإسلامية إن شاء الله ما نرى فيه.

وقد أفتى به مشايخنا بالهند وكذلك حتى الشيخ ابن باز فيما سمعنا - رحمه الله - كان يفتي بالاشتراك في الانتخابات وغيرها لبعض الإخوان.

فلذلك - إن شاء الله - نرجو من الله أن يكون مستقبل المسلمين خيراً في كل بلد. إذا كان هذا الأمر يأتي بخير فلا ينبغي أن يتأخروا.

السائل: جزاكم الله خيرا. تتمة للفائدة يا شيخنا لمن يقول إنّ في ذلك إعانة لمن يحكم بغير ما أنزل الله

الشيخ: ليس هذا إعانة لمن يحكم بغير ما أنزل الله لأننا لو لم نصوت لهم فهم على كل حال فيما بينهم ينجحون - ينجحون لا شك فيه. فإذاً سواء إن عزلنا عنهم أو إن عزلنا عن الدنيا كلها هم حاكمين على طريقتهم... وليس هذا عونا لهم في إقامة الحكم غير الإسلامي هم حاكمين حاكمين وقائمين سواء أعطيناهم أصواتنا أو لم نعط. فإذاً نحن ندخل عليهم بطريق يكون في صالح الإسلام والمسلمين إن شاء الله.

السائل: جزاكم الله خيرا شيخنا وسامحنا على الإطالة.

الشيخ: جزاك الله خيرا. وأنا عن انشراح الصدر أقول هذا الكلام لأننا سمعنا مشايخنا يفتون بهذا، خاصة ما دام يترتب عليه مصالح المسلمين. وهو في الهند أيضا بعض الناس يفعلون هكذا؛ بعض الوثنيين للمسلمين يقومون في البرلمان بمصالحهم وبقضاياهم...وقد يؤيد الله الدين بالكافر أيضا


English:

Question: The following question, from America, is about voting for those it is believed will benefit the Muslims. We are not asking about a Muslim entering into an election as a candidate, nor are we concerned about Federal elections. Rather, the question is about voting in local elections for those who have the authority to delegate plots of land to the Muslims, abandoned buildings, and other such benefits. If the Muslims don't vote for them, other groups will and, therefore, acquire these benefits. So, may Allah reward you well dear Shaykh, do you have any advice in this matter?

Shaykh: That which appears correct to me, Insha'Allaah, is that if some good is anticipated as a result of voting, then we vote. We vote for the candidate as long as he is presently benefiting the Muslims or promises to benefit the Muslims in the future, even if he is not a Muslim. It would be inappropriate for the Muslims to refrain from voting for this individual, especially if the leader of the Muslims can dictate terms, conditions, and other stipulations on him as a result of the Muslims voting. For example, the leader of the Muslims says, "We will vote for you on the condition that you support our interests, mention them to your superiors, etc." And this applies in any country where the Muslims are a minority, not just in America.

By voting the Muslims may gain needed influence over politicians and other authorities. In return, these politicians and authorities may do something that will benefit Islam and the Muslims. This is especially the case in local elections where, as you have mentioned, the one who wins may have the authority to give away plots of lands on which schools can be built. I am familiar with this because it is even practiced in India. In this instance, it is not befitting in the least for the Muslims to hesitate or delay voting for these candidates.

The Muslims should not hesitate to vote because withholding their votes will not harm these candidates in the least. They will win by the votes of non-Muslims regardless if the Muslims vote or not. For this reason, the Muslims should use their vote as a favor to these candidates. As a result, the Muslims will be placed in an advantageous position of influence over these candidates. When they feel that they are indebted to the Muslims, the Muslims can benefit from their empathy and their sympathetic views and understanding of Muslim causes. This is a general Islamic benefit required by the Islamic public interests. This is our belief.

This is also the verdict given by our Shaykhs in India. Even Shaykh Bin Baz (may Allah have mercy on him), from what we have heard, used to rule with the permissibility of participating in elections. And for this, insha'Allah, we hope from Allah a good future for the Muslims in every land. If this affair brings good to the Muslims then it's not befitting to hesitate.

Questioner: May Allah reward you with good. In order to bring about further benefit, dear Shaykh, for those who say that this action includes assisting one who rules by other than what Allah revealed ...

Shaykh: This doesn't assist the one ruling by other than what Allah has revealed in view of the fact that if we don't vote, the [non-Muslims] will win by their own votes. They will be elected without a doubt. They will come into power by their own accord whether or not we isolate ourselves from them or from the entire world … Thus, this does not assist them in establishing non-Islamic laws. They are the rulers and the ones in authority in those lands whether we vote for them or not. As a result, we should make an effort to influence them in a way that will be beneficial to Islam and the Muslims, insha'Allah.

Questioner: May Allah reward you with good dear Shaykh. Please excuse us for taking so much of your time.

Shaykh: May Allah reward you with good. I mention this with a clear conscience because we have heard our shaykhs give this verdict, especially when it benefits the Muslims. This is also the case in India; some of the idol worshipers in the Parliament speak on behalf of the Muslims and their interests ... And it is possible that Allah will aid the deen by using a disbeliever.

Source: http://madeenah.com/article.cfm?id=1211



Shaykh Abdul Muhsin Abbaad on voting

Arabic:


سؤال جاء من أمريكا عن حكم تصويت الأقليات المسلمة في الانتخابات المحلية إن رؤوا فيمن رش من يحقق مصالح المسلمين من إعطائهم أراضي ويخلون سبيلهم في الدعوة إلى الله عزّ وجلّ ومصالح أخرى، فهل يجوز لهم ذلك؟

الشيخ : ما في بأس. إذا كانوا أصلح من غيرهم فما في بأس. هو ارتكاب أخف الضررين للتخلص من أشدهما. كلهم كفار وكلهم شر، ولكن الذي ضرره أخف أحسن من الذي ضرره أشد.

السائل: من يقول إن هذه الانتخابات وسيلة بدعية مثلا؟

الشيخ: على كلٍ، هذا الآن شر ابتلي به الناس؛ الناس الآن لو كانوا بين أمرين، واحد خبيث وواحد أخف منه ضررا - الناس يختارون أخف الضررين على الآخر، نعم. مثل ما فرح الناس بانتصار نصارى روم على الفرس - كلهم كفار.

السائل: لكن يعترض بعضهم أنهم ليسوا ملزمين أصلا بالدخول في الانتخابات.

الشيخ: هذا إذا كان دخولهم سينفع أما إذا كان دخولهم لا ينفع فلا.


English:

Questioner: There is a question from America related to the ruling of Muslims living in non-Muslim countries who vote in local elections. Is it permissible for these Muslim minorities to vote in local elections if they believe that one of the candidates can benefit the Muslims by giving land, allowing them to give dawah, or other benefits?

Shaykh: There is no harm in voting for candidates who will be of more benefit to the Muslims than the others. In this instance, voting for them is an example of doing the lesser of two evils to avoid the greater evil. All of the candidates are disbelievers and, therefore, harmful. However, the candidate who is less harmful to the Muslims is better than the candidate whose harm is far greater.

Questioner: For the one who says that voting is from the innovated means, for example ... ?

Shaykh: In any event, this is something evil with which the people have been afflicted. If people have two choices, one being abhorrent and the other also detestable but of less harm, which should the people choose? The people should choose the lesser of the two evils, correct? Even though the Roman Christians and the Persians are all disbelievers, the people were happy when the Roman Christians were victorious over the Persians.

Questioner: Some people oppose this by mentioning that they are not forced to vote in the first place?

Shaykh: What I have mentioned is based on the premise that some benefit for the Muslims may be attained by voting. However, if there is no benefit then they should not participate.



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Shaykh Saalih Al Munajjid on voting

Fatwa 1:


Quote:
وأما من رشح نفسه أو رشح غيره في ظل هذا النظام ، حتى يدخل ذلك المجلس وينكر على أهله ، ويقيم الحجة عليهم ، ويقلل من الشر والفساد بقدر ما يستطيع ، وحتى لا يخلو الجو لأهل الفساد والإلحاد يعيثون في الأرض فساداً ، ويفسدون دنيا الناس ودينهم ، فهذا محل اجتهاد ، حسب المصلحة المتوقعة من ذلك .
بل يرى بعض العلماء أن الدخول في هذه الانتخابات واجبة .


" ... But as for the one who nominates himself or nominates others in this system in order to join the parliament and enjoin good and forbid evil, and establish proof against them, and reduce its evil and corruption as much as he can, so that people of corruption and disbelievers in Allaah will not have free rein to spread mischief in the land and spoil people’s worldly interests and religious commitment, this is a matter that is subject to ijtihaad, according to the interests that it is hoped will be served by that. Some scholars are even of the view that getting involved in these elections is obligatory".



Fatwa 2:


Quote:
هذه المسألة من مسائل الاجتهاد ، وتخضع للموازنة بين المصالح المرجوة ومنفعة المسلمين من هذه المشاركة ، والأضرار التي قد تسببها تلك المشاركة .
فإن كانت المنافع أكثر جازت المشاركة ، وإن كانت المفاسد أكثر لم تجز المشاركة .
وعلى هذا ؛ فيختلف هذا الحكم باختلاف البلاد والأنظمة والأشخاص ، فقد تكون المشاركة نافعة للمسلمين في بلد ما ، وليست نافعة في بلد آخر ، وهكذا بالنسبة للأشخاص .


"This issue is one that is subject to ijtihaad. And we must weigh up the interests and benefits that we hope the Muslims may attain from this participation and the harm that may result from it. If the benefits outweigh the harms, then it is permissible to take part, but if the harms outweigh the benefits, then it is not permissible to take part. Based on this, the ruling differs depending on the country, the system of voting and the people involved. Taking part may be beneficial to the Muslims in one country, and not in another. The same applies to individuals".

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...eng&txt=voting

Fatwa 3:


Quote:
هذه من مسائل الفتوى التي يختلف فيه الحكم بحسب الزمان والمكان والأحوال فلا يطلق فيها حكم عام في جميع الصور الواقعة أو المتوقعة .
ففي بعض الحالات لا يسوغ فيها التصويت كما إذا كان الأمر لا أثر له على المسلمين ، أو كان المسلمون لا أثر لهم في التصويت ، فإدلاؤهم وعدمه سواء ، وكذا لو كان الحال متشابهة ومتساوية بالنسبة للمصوّت لهم لاستوائهم في الشر أو الموقف من المسلمين ..
وقد تكون المصلحة الشرعية مقتضية للتصويت من باب تخفيف الشر وتقليل الضرر ، كما لو كان المرشحون من غير المسلمين لكن أحدهم أقل عداوة للمسلمين من الآخر ، وكان تصويت المسلمين مؤثرا في الاقتراع فلا بأس بالتصويت له في مثل هذه الحال .
وعلى كل حال فهذه من مسائل الاجتهاد المبنية على قاعدة المصالح والمفاسد ينبغي أن يرجع فيها إلى أهل العلم العارفين لضوابط هذا الأصل ، وأن يُعرض عليهم الأمر بتفاصيله في حال البلد الذي تعيش فيه الجالية المسلمة وقوانينه وحال المرشّحين وأهمية التصويت وجدواه ونحو ذلك .
وليس لأحد أن يتوهم أن من قال بالتصويت أنه مقرر للكفر مؤيد له ، وإنما ذلك لمصلحة المسلمين لا محبة للكفر وأهله ، وقد فرح المسلمون بانتصار الروم على الفرس ، كما فرح المسلمون في الحبشة بانتصار النجاشي على من نازعه الملك كما هو معروف في السيرة ومن أراد التورع فله ذلك ، وهذا الجواب في موضوع انتخاب الأشخاص في المواقع المؤثّرة . والله تعالى أعلم .


"This is a matter concerning which rulings may differ according to different circumstances in different times and places. There is no absolute ruling that covers all situations, both real and hypothetical. In some cases it is wrong to vote, such as when the matter will have no effect on the Muslims, or when the Muslims have no effect on the outcome of the vote. In this case voting or not voting is all the same. The same applies in cases where all the candidates are equally evil or where they all have the same attitude towards Muslims. It may be the case that the interests of Islam require Muslims to vote so as to ward off the greater evil and to reduce harmful effects, such as where two candidates may be non-Muslims but one of them is less hostile towards Muslims than the other, and Muslims’ votes will have an impact on the outcome of the election. In such cases there is nothing wrong with Muslims casting their votes in favour of the less evil candidate. In any case, this is the matter of ijtihaad based on the principle of weighing up the pros and cons, what is in the interests of Islam and what is detrimental. With regard to this matter, we have to refer to the people of knowledge who understand this principle. We should put the question to them, explaining in detail the circumstances and laws in the country where the Muslim community is living, the state of the candidates, the importance of the vote, the likely benefits, and so on. No one should imagine that anyone who says that it is OK to vote is thereby expressing approval or support for kufr. It is done in the interests of the Muslims, not out of love for kufr and its people. The Muslims rejoiced when the Romans defeated the Persians, as did the Muslims in Abyssinia (Ethiopia) when the Negus defeated those who had challenged his authority. This is well known from history. Whoever wants to be on the safe side and abstain from voting is allowed to do so. This response applies only to elections for influential positions. And Allaah knows best".

(Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&QR=3062

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