Imam Axmed Guray and the Habar Magaadi connection

[CoolPoisons]

gaajounit caruurtan mataqaanid

taariikh aanan jirin ayee rabaan iney taariikh ka dhigaan

aniga evidence iyo waxyaabo badan ayaan so bandhigey si dadka kale u akhriyaan

Siciid thinks his langaab clan was actually important during Ahmed gurey war

the most important clans in Gurey waxay ahayeen

Marehan
Geri
Harti

3 Darod clans

[Siciid85]

^^^^


"the Habar Magadle [Magaadi] also play a very prominent role (...) The text refers to two Ahmad's with the nickname "Left-handed". One is regularly presented as "Ahmad Guray, the Somali" (...) identified as Ahmad Guray Xuseyn, chief of the Habar Magadle (Habr Yunis(Garhajis) and Habr Awel). Another reference, however, appears to link the Habar Magadle with the Marrehan. The other Ahmad is simply refered to as "Imam Ahmad" or Simply the "Imam". This Ahmad is not qualified by the adjective Somali (...) The two Ahmad's have been conflated into one figure, the heroic Ahmed Guray (...).



Translation:

Two remarks can be made regarding this sobriquet of "left-handed." The first is that it is of Ethiopian origin (see the chronicle translated by Conti Rossini in 1894). The apocryphal character of the Somali form Ahmed-Guray, "Ahmed the left-handed," emerges from grammatical analysis as being the transformation [i.e. calcque] of the Ethiopian adjectival form Ahmed-Gragn. Moreover, in the Arab chronicle (Basset, ibid. 72), the surname of left-handed is not given to the Imam, but to a Habar Magaadi Somali with the same name of the imam, Ahmed Guray b. Husayn al-Somali. Lewis (1980) skirts this historical fact, in writing, not without ambiguity:



The Habar Magadle [Magaadi] also play a very prominent role (...) The text refers to two Ahmad's with the nickname "Left-handed". One is regularly presented as "Ahmad Guray, the Somali" (...) identified as Ahmad Guray Xuseyn, chief of the Habar Magadle ( Habr Yunis(Garhajis) and Habr Awel). Another reference, however, appears to link the Habar Magadle with the Marrehan. The other Ahmad is simply refered to as "Imam Ahmad" or Simply the "Imam". This Ahmad is not qualified by the adjective Somali (...) The two Ahmad's have been conflated into one figure, the heroic Ahmed Guray (...).

Although I.M. Lewis implies that Imam Ahmad b. Ibrahim was referred to as "the left-handed," this epithet is actually never used for him in the text.

Here's a direct quote from the Futuh al-Habasha on the Somali leader:

The first of the tribes to reach the imam was Habr Maqdi with their lord and chieftain Ahmad Girri bin Husain, the Somali.


One of the "Ahmad Guray"s was the famous Imam Ahmed ibn Ibrahim (Ahmed Gragn), while the other was Ahmed Xuseyn, a Somali chief (Ahmed Guray). The existence of two such characters, of course, does not eliminate the possibility that both were Somali, however, the fact that Ahmed Gragn is never described as Somali while other important characters are named "as-Somali" ("the Somali") would strongly suggest against it"

[Twisted_Logic]

gaajounit caruurtan mataqaanid

taariikh aanan jirin ayee rabaan iney taariikh ka dhigaan

aniga evidence iyo waxyaabo badan ayaan so bandhigey si dadka kale u akhriyaan

Siciid thinks his langaab clan was actually important during Ahmed gurey war

the most important clans in Gurey waxay ahayeen

Marehan
Geri
Harti

3 Darod clans

Not true.

At this moment the companions of the imam screamed out, saying, ‘The infidels have tricked us; they are after the livestock,’ whereupon the imam split his forces into two divisions: one he entrusted to Garad Ahmusa, composed of the Somali spearmen of the Marraihan, the Gorgorah and the Hawiya; around one-thousand of them from among the most famous spearmen. And from the soldiers bearing shields, the same number.

[abdalla11]

Emperior check this out it seems the Maraxaan chief Hiraabu/ was a fulay, and Imam Axmed Guray chased him to the bushes, he must be the older version of Barre hiraale of dollow.


These are some quotes from the fatah ul habash book. As you can see the Marehan were led by a dude called Hirabu and his full name is not even Somali. In addition, he is forced to join the war, and when Imam Ahmed leaves, Hirabu and his people desert the war and return to their lands.

At this moment the companions of the imam screamed out, saying, ‘The infidels have tricked us; they are after the livestock,’ whereupon the imam split his forces into two divisions: one he entrusted to Garad Ahmusa, composed of the Somali spearmen of the Marraihan, the Gorgorah and the Hawiya; around one-thousand of them from among the most famous spearmen. And from the soldiers bearing shields, the same number.

”He sent (another messenger) to the tribe of Marraihan whose chieftain was Hirabu bin Goita Tedros bin Adam*, and he also sent (messengers) to the outlying Provinces to spur them on to the jihad, for God, and in the way of the Most High God.


Then Hirabu the chieftain of the Somali tribe of Marraihan, killed one of the equerries of the sultan ‘Umar Din when he was in Nageb. The imam heard about what Hirabu had done, and he said to the Sultan ‘Umar Din, ‘This Somali has acted treacherously towards you and killed your equerry.’ So the imam, and the sultan with him, prepared himself for an expedition and set out and arrived at the country of the Somalis, as far as Kidad. Hirabu. meantime, had fled and was hiding in his own country.The imam asked the sultan, ‘What shall we do now? I am going to send for him to hand over the horses, and to pay the blood-money. If he does so, then all is well: if he does not, then I shall go against him, while you go back to your country.’ So the imam sent to Hirabu to hand over the horses, and to pay the blood-money to some sharifs of the family of Ba’ Alawi, the Husainites, may God bless us through their means.”

The army camped around the city (Harar; my own barracks), with each tribe being kept apart from the others. The tribe of the Marraihan was, however, wavering. Their chieftain was a man fond of intrigue and procrastination. Extremely wily, he loved double-dealing and swindles. The imam organised some of his soldiers and went to the Marraihan and confronted Hirabu and his tribe and said to him: ‘Why are you lagging behind in coming on the jihad? Hirabu complained about his plight, and excused himself on the grounds of his poverty-stricken state.

”Now, having finished this, let us return to the earlier narrative, and look at what happened during the Somali campaign.When news of the imam’s leaving for the outlying provinces of Abyssinia reached them, a certain person, by name Hirabu, a chief of one of the Somali tribes called Marraihan, had arrived half-way along the route to the country of Harar. After verifying the departure of the imam to the land of Abbyssinia, he doubled back and returned to his own country.”

”He also sent (a messenger) to the tribe of Girri which was the tribe whose leader and chieftain was Mattan bin Utman bin Kaled, the Somali, his brother-in-law*

* 158) may also mean ‘the imam’s son-in-law’ See supra note 32. We know that the imam was only twenty-one when he defeated the patrician Degalhan (see p.27 supra) and that Mattan married his sister Fardusa (see p.44 infra).

sicid read my first comment at the begin of the topic on the first page i told u the merehan chiefs name was

Hirabu bin Goita Tedros sounds tigray or portugese to me [/quote]


looool are the marexaans claiming Hirabu bin goita tedros Iskaba dhaaf the last name even the first name Hirabu doesn't sound like a somali name, i don't know about you guys but i never met a guy whose name is Hirabu lol

[Khalid Ali]

looool are the marexaans claiming Hirabu bin goita tedros Iskaba dhaaf the last name even the first name Hirabu doesn't sound like a somali name, i don't know about you guys but i never met a guy whose name is Hirabu lol

U never know his reer abtiyaal could be merehan and he could be tigray or Portugees

[Advo]

Coolpoison


Why even debate about something that has been discussed beyond discussion, every evidence in the book points out the significance influence of BEESHA aswell as other somali Beels. However it's the right of some people to block out what they dont wanna hear. Imaam Ahmed Gurey, his Nephew Imaam nur and the somali leader Hiraabu were all sons of SADE who fought for Islam and nothing more. It's useless to take part in these discussion just like it's useless trying to convince some people that 2+2=4.

[Murax]

Advo,

You stupid focken ilkayar, don't come to us with shit that Your Hero MSB wrote, You know He changed history

[The_Emperior5]

The question is Where does it say that Nur ibn ali Ibn abdulahi Al dhuhi As suxa was the nephew of Imam axmed iebrahien al ghazi?

[Murax]

looool are the marexaans claiming Hirabu bin goita tedros Iskaba dhaaf the last name even the first name Hirabu doesn't sound like a somali name, i don't know about you guys but i never met a guy whose name is Hirabu lol

U never know his reer abtiyaal could be merehan and he could be tigray or Portugees

[Advo]

The question is Where does it say that Nur ibn ali Ibn abdulahi Al dhuhi As suxa was the nephew of Imam axmed iebrahien al ghazi?

Why does it matter, You will never be satisfied with the correct answer irregardless, I mean the book couldnt get any clearer eventhough it was written 500 years ago about Hiraabu being Beesha Mareexaan and you excused that with "his reer abti were MR he wasnt" lol. Your a joke bro and so is this topic.

Marka Cool should stop this nonsense and you guys should believe whatever that u want.


@murax.

[The_Emperior5]

No i am not talking about mr tadoros, even though how hard it sounds that that guy is Merehan , i am talking about the relation between Axmed iebrahien al ghazi and Nur ibn ‘Ali ibn ‘Abdullah al Dhuhi Suxa , Where does it say They were Related Its historical fact that Nur Ibn xuseyn married the widow of Axmed guray.
And we are not Questioning Merehan taking part of the wars against the Ethiopians And we are also not talking about the Ethnic Group of the imam As we all know his origin Is unknow fatuh al habash just mentions him as the imam.

[CoolPoisons]

KA hor ayaan idin sheegey

some people want to write history in somalinet. Dad aan weligood la maqlin want to make history in somalinet. waa wax aan la yaabay

[Siciid85]

Advo/murax, you guys are the 1s who tried to spread propagenda about those two man emir nur and hiraabu and it backfired on you, and in the original futah al habasha the only surviving page, Emir nuur is described as the brother of habar magaadle chief - axmed guray husayn, and Hiraabu was also described how he fled and his real name etc, futah al habasha is the only reliable original 1 like it or not, The book is nevertheless valuable, in that its author was an eye-witness of many of the events he describes, and writes, as far as we can judge, with a degree of objectivity rare for his time.


Yemeni author
Sihab ad-Din Ahmad bin 'Abd al-Qader's sheding a light to the truth.

[LobsterUnit]

Coolpoison


Why even debate about something that has been discussed beyond discussion, every evidence in the book points out the significance influence of BEESHA aswell as other somali Beels. However it's the right of some people to block out what they dont wanna hear. Imaam Ahmed Gurey, his Nephew Imaam nur and the somali leader Hiraabu were all sons of SADE who fought for Islam and nothing more. It's useless to take part in these discussion just like it's useless trying to convince some people that 2+2=4.

There is no proof imam Ahmad was marehan or darood or any somali clan for that matter. In fact, the mention of him marching against the marehan leader and way the mentions this " Somalia" make it extremely like that Imam Ahmad was not a Somali. But you guys can take your Haribo, I mean Hirabu.

[The_Emperior5]

Coolpoison


Why even debate about something that has been discussed beyond discussion, every evidence in the book points out the significance influence of BEESHA aswell as other somali Beels. However it's the right of some people to block out what they dont wanna hear. Imaam Ahmed Gurey, his Nephew Imaam nur and the somali leader Hiraabu were all sons of SADE who fought for Islam and nothing more. It's useless to take part in these discussion just like it's useless trying to convince some people that 2+2=4.

There is no proof imam Ahmad was marehan or darood or any somali clan for that matter. In fact, the mention of him marching against the marehan leader and way the mentions this " Somalia" make it extremely like that Imam Ahmad was not a Somali. But you guys can take your Haribo, I mean Hirabu.

You mean mr Todores