XAMAR - FEBRUARY 2011

[Shirib]

Shirib's logic is flawed. First of all it was 'reer xamar' who started the 'this is mine' mentality, did we forget the infamous 'xamar unuka leh'?
Secondly it is really convenient to say i won't share what's mine after billions of investment since 1960. If you're honest atleast give the foreigners their houses back, that's the least you could do

I don't think anyone ever said people shouldn't allowed to live where ever they like, wether that be Xamar, Boosaaso, or Dhuusomareeb.

The question was who should rule, and if you are saying Boosaaso should be ruled by MJ's and not a Abgaal, why should the other not hold true?

Where is my logic flawed

[kadarre]

Since the hypocrisy of Somalinimo was revealed under Siyad Barre.

They want to rule their traditional degaans and rule over yours.

[melo]

Come on melo habar gidirs will only have the same rights as the rest of the somalis. They dont live near xamar so they will never be part of the city like the qabiils from it.

This has nothing to do with Habar gidir and more to do with the normal conventions with respect to capital cities. These guys act like the local qabiils built xamar . You guys accepted investment, and now want most of the control. That just isn't fair. The difference between Mogadishu and hobyo is that whatever is in hobyo is not due to foreign clan investment.


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he question was who should rule, and if you are saying Boosaaso should be ruled by MJ's and not a Abgaal, why should the other not hold true?

When bosaso becomes the capital city, then you might have that point. You couldn't leave bosaso to MJS because a capital requires much more work than that. A federal government, compromising of the major clans should be involved in this project.

If you want to leave the capital in the hands of the loca lclans, then frankly Mogadishu will not prosper as it should

[Shirib]

U guys came to Xamar cause it was better than your dusty villages. We didn't ask you to come, we were doing fine long before you came.

Now no one ever said u couldn't live there, but it is completely unfair to say I want to keep my town to myself and split yours too. If u guys wanna play that game, I'm all for it. Lets make Hobyo the capital, and let me ride in there and say, I want my right to rule

[abdalla11]

Shirib's logic is flawed. First of all it was 'reer xamar' who started the 'this is mine' mentality, did we forget the infamous 'xamar unuka leh'?
Secondly it is really convenient to say i won't share what's mine after billions of investment since 1960. If you're honest atleast give the foreigners their houses back, that's the least you could do

I don't think anyone ever said people shouldn't allowed to live where ever they like, wether that be Xamar, Boosaaso, or Dhuusomareeb.

The question was who should rule, and if you are saying Boosaaso should be ruled by MJ's and not a Abgaal, why should the other not hold true?

Where is my logic flawed

You are comparing oranges and apples. Bosaso was built by Puntlanders, they made the city. Xamar on the other hand wasn´t built by Abgaal...Somalis made Xamar while a few clan made Bosaso

[Archerr]

it is completely unfair to say I want to keep my town to myself and split yours too.

Xamar ceased to be yours when it was designated the capital city. That is what you either don't understand or refused to understand. If you want to control Xamar like a clan village then there is no choice but to move the capital a different city where no specific clan has no say local political matters over others.

[Shirib]

Shirib's logic is flawed. First of all it was 'reer xamar' who started the 'this is mine' mentality, did we forget the infamous 'xamar unuka leh'?
Secondly it is really convenient to say i won't share what's mine after billions of investment since 1960. If you're honest atleast give the foreigners their houses back, that's the least you could do

I don't think anyone ever said people shouldn't allowed to live where ever they like, wether that be Xamar, Boosaaso, or Dhuusomareeb.

The question was who should rule, and if you are saying Boosaaso should be ruled by MJ's and not a Abgaal, why should the other not hold true?

Where is my logic flawed

You are comparing oranges and apples. Bosaso was built by Puntlanders, they made the city. Xamar on the other hand wasn´t built by Abgaal...Somalis made Xamar while a few clan made Bosaso

Xamar was made before you even knew where it was

[Shirib]

it is completely unfair to say I want to keep my town to myself and split yours too.

Xamar ceased to be yours when it was designated the capital city. That is what you either don't understand or refused to understand. If you want to control Xamar like a clan village then there is no choice but to move the capital a different city where no specific clan has no say local political matters over others.

lets move the capital, I'm all for it. Lets make your clan village the capital, I wanna share that with you

[abgaalKING]

And like i said, no where in the history of civilized society, has the capital of a nation been left in the hands of some qabiils. There is no city in somalia other than xamar that is worthy of being capital.

We are a civilized tribal society and no one amount of education can change that.qabiil waliba degaan lagu yaqaano uu leeyahay.

Btw, isn't it sad that while xamar is supposedly abgaal territory, you guys cannot dislodge HG. lol, u lost territory to them in your own territory. Now try that shit out in mudug and see what happens

Just because you guys looted state army machine guns and used against us doesnt mean you won the civil war. no one lost a terrority,we are too strong to lose dhul for any clan in somalia.dhalyo hiraab dhamaataye ku soo dhawoow dhulkii abgaal.lol

[Archerr]

it is completely unfair to say I want to keep my town to myself and split yours too.

Xamar ceased to be yours when it was designated the capital city. That is what you either don't understand or refused to understand. If you want to control Xamar like a clan village then there is no choice but to move the capital a different city where no specific clan has no say local political matters over others.

lets move the capital, I'm all for it. Lets make your clan village the capital, I wanna share that with you

I would not mind that all. Unfortunately neither of us decides that.

[greenday]

This has nothing to do with Habar gidir and more to do with the normal conventions with respect to capital cities. These guys act like the local qabiils built xamar . You guys accepted investment, and now want most of the control. That just isn't fair. The difference between Mogadishu and hobyo is that whatever is in hobyo is not due to foreign clan investment.

20 years of war made sure that there was nothing left of xamar. So if we are saying xamar should be shared because it was build by others money? the people of xamar will just say its all gone so can you leave and if you want you can take the qashin that is left.
Xoog wax waa lagu waye so lets be nice and ask if the people of xamar if we can share. As for abgaals letting HGs to take over their land you should not take their kindness for weakness.

[melo]

This has nothing to do with Habar gidir and more to do with the normal conventions with respect to capital cities. These guys act like the local qabiils built xamar . You guys accepted investment, and now want most of the control. That just isn't fair. The difference between Mogadishu and hobyo is that whatever is in hobyo is not due to foreign clan investment.

20 years of war made sure that there was nothing left of xamar. So if we are saying xamar should be shared because it was build by others money? the people of xamar will just say its all gone so can you leave and if you want you can take the qashin that is left.
Xoog wax waa lagu waye so lets be nice and ask if the people of xamar if we can share. As for abgaals letting HGs to take over their land you should not take their kindness for weakness.

Xamar is not gone, and anyone who says xamar is gone is ridiculous. As bad it might it seem, the gdp of bakaaro alone is more than probably some other gobols put together

As for the bolded quote . Im pretty sure abgaal and hg fought in the 90s and abgaal were not able ti dislodge hg out of their own city. Please don't bring that ish here

[kadarre]

As for the bolded quote . Im pretty sure abgaal and hg fought in the 90s and abgaal were not able ti dislodge hg out of their own city. Please don't bring that ish here

1 .Abgaal never claimed sole ownership of Xamar.
2. It was HG that tried to subdue Abgaal. Which backfired on u.
3. HG during the war was expelled during the daytime from Xamar only to return at Night. Focking mukulaal madow.

[melo]

As for the bolded quote . Im pretty sure abgaal and hg fought in the 90s and abgaal were not able ti dislodge hg out of their own city. Please don't bring that ish here

1 .Abgaal never claimed sole ownership of Xamar.
2. It was HG that tried to subdue Abgaal. Which backfired on u.
3. HG during the war was expelled during the daytime from Xamar only to return at Night. Focking mukulaal madow.

1 Don't play games here. Abgaal claim the city as theirs, as they are the majority tribe in xamar.

2- Which is embarrasing for you guys. HG was attempting to fight you in your own city. You guys just held your grown. HG lands were left untouched by abgaal.

3- And like i said, all these claims make nothing. You couldn't dislodge HG out of your own city. You guys conspired with CY to karbash HG in xamar and it didnt work. One of the most disgraceful clans politically and militarily in the last 20 years

[kadarre]

You guys conspired with CY to karbash HG in xamar and it didnt work. One of the most disgraceful clans politically and militarily in the last 20 years

What you talking about?