Muslims for Progressive Values

[Beans]

Is this what has come to? A custom tailored Islam?

It is a great thing Allah promise to protect His only one true religion.Alhamdulilah

It is sad to see the rules getting bent to please others.

[abdisamad3]

ittaqullah brothers and sisters of islam ittaqullah and dont fall for the traps and fitna of the kufar may allah's curse be upon them,

one islam one quran and one ummah insha-allah,

[abdisamad3]

ittaqullah ya muslim youth of Somalia, you represent the people of the strong will, dont fall for the kufar keep your head up and never comprise your deen to please the kufar, rather please Allah subhanahu wata-allah than some helples kufar,

[accident]

Mixed prayers and women Imam. Only in North American.

[melo]

Melo, Indeed muslims are being targetted; freedom of speech is being curtailed and there an atmosphere of hatred towards minorities. But, will hating their values make the situation better? Don't give undue credit to the west; much of the progressive values are universal and are actually within the framework of islamic teachings.

I was just pointing out that Muslims are getting targetted ever frequently and things seem to be getting worse.

I don't know why you jump to homosexuality! Why do we care who f... who as long as we are practising our religion; As Martin Luther King mentioned; [Injustice Anywhere is a Threat to Justice Everywhere”]; so it is futile if you want to have justice for muslims and not for homosexuals, whores and other minorities.

I am not here to discuss personal whims and desires. I am merely stating what Islam has to say on the matter. Islam does not accept homosexuality,as it casts it as a major sin with sever consequences. To promote homosexual rights and then try and root in Islam's ethical teachings is just highly ridiculous.

If we look at the history of islam, it was the most tolerant faith on earth. Islam has also brought arts, science and intellectual thinking to the world. But, what is happening today ? A few sick individuals who have been indoctrined in a discourse of hate and massmurder have hijacked our religion. What has turned islam from being viewed as the most tolerant into a religion characterised by bigots who want to commit henious acts?

I'm honestly too tired to tear up your assumptions that it is simply because of Muslims that Islam is being targeted. I will not here however that tolerance is defined by Islam. You tolerate what Islam accepts and reject what it rejects. Keep in that mind.

Liberals are angry today; conservations and cultural bigots are claiming that it is due to liberalism that there are so many muslims in the West; They are angry because some of the liberal and tolerant laws/regulations/modes are abused. It is easy to find examples; NY; London, Madrid, Van Gogh etc. They are getting the blame! While the majority of muslims are law abiding and good citizens there are a few that have hijacked our religion and we should fight them and the sick ideology that they follow.

You cannot be serious?

[union]

There is a new, multi million dollar progressive Mosque recently completed in Michigan called Islamic Center of Saginaw. It's very gender-egalitarian, with no partitions between men and women. There's a nice little school attached so the young ones can be taught the virtues of progressive values and to shun the ignorance coming from the obscurantist sects. Everything is coming along nicely and the MPV movement will take off whether you haters like it or not.

[union]

There is no point in debating with melo. He is an obscurantist, blinded by hate and willing to use any means of violence to make his version of Islam, as clobbered together by the charlatan Ibn Wahab, supreme. By the providence of God, his sect has become a pariah in the Muslim world and to even be associated with Ibn Wahab will do great damage to a person’s reputation and self esteem. Ignorance and backwardness never prevails over forward thinking progressivism. And I am not surprised by his hatred against the liberal progressive system, he has a history of hating the hand that feeds him.

[BlackVelvet]

Union aren't you scared that you might go too far? You know we are taught in Islam that if something wrong is being done we should stand against it physically, if you can't then you should speak up against it and if you can't you should at least know in your heart it is wrong. There are a lot of injustices being carried out by Muslims against Muslims and non Muslims alike but lets put that to the side for a minute and speak of progression. I think the one issue, the main issue that I am stuck on and you are stuck on and seems to be the biggest leap is homosexuality. So let's talk about that for a minute. There is a lot of room for argument in a lot of issues; should women and men be able to pray side by side given that during the time of the prophet they did, there are a lot of counter arguments which may be inferred from sources in Quran and haddith but certain things are black and white in the Quran. Even if you decide you don't trusts haddiths which is another argument all together but if there is an ayat in the Quran that says an absolute no to anal sex and that is what it means to practise homosexuality then how can you feel comfortable as a person who believes the Quran is the word of Allah to advocate for homosexuality?

Don't you find it the same as advocating for alcoholism when alcohol is clearly forbidden in the Quran or incest when it is also forbidden. Where do you draw the line and do you think that you are getting carried away?

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

The greatest danger that the Ummah faces is from with our own community. We are not threatened by gaalo but by gaalo masquerading as muslims.

Hamza Yusuf on Securalism

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Oh please let's not pretend. This is going far and beyond the human rights act. What you are saying is you want Islam to be Holland and then some. If a Muslim in the west decides to be gay or transgender or abort a baby then go for it and it's between you and your Lord but then saying that Islam as a religion and we as Muslims should accept, promote through accepting and failing to condemn, practising homosexuality, crossdressing, abortion etc is stepping too far.

A sin is a sin, if you are Muslim live by the rules of Islam repent when you sin but do go around trying to change it into something else.

A balanced approach would be to for example, to allow people of different faiths to live peacefully amongst Muslims in a Muslim country but to accept blasphemous, derogatory or insulting texts to be published is going too far, intellectual debates and discussions aside. Outlawing forced marriage and promoting the benefits of family planning is wonderful, making abortion legal is a step too far, health reasons aside. Trying to find ways of helping homosexuals deal with their issues instead of rushing to harsh punishment is balanced, making homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle in Islam is too much, no exceptions.

You see we have a religion already. You can't rewrite it to fit in with how society is today. If Allah said that he has perfected Islam for us then the least we can do is learn about it and the context of what it teaches. Instead there seems to be this acquired prejudiced notion of Western values being more progressive and we as Muslims have started to believe this political bullcrap.

well said,

Mashallah

[accident]

should women and men be able to pray side by side given that during the time of the prophet they did

That never happened!

[abdisamad3]

There is no point in debating with melo. He is an obscurantist, blinded by hate and willing to use any means of violence to make his version of Islam, as clobbered together by the charlatan Ibn Wahab, supreme. By the providence of God, his sect has become a pariah in the Muslim world and to even be associated with Ibn Wahab will do great damage to a person’s reputation and self esteem. Ignorance and backwardness never prevails over forward thinking progressivism. And I am not surprised by his hatred against the liberal progressive system, he has a history of hating the hand that feeds him.

so any one who disagree with your version of what islam should be changed to is a wahabi...the prophet must be a wahabi as well in your screwed up view on islam,,,what you follow is not islam, so stop pretending your muslim,

[Enlightened~Sista]

Union what do you make of their article Qur'anic Values as an inspiration for Gay Marriage http://www.mpvusa.org/lgbtq_rights.html

[Enlightened~Sista]

should women and men be able to pray side by side given that during the time of the prophet they did

That never happened!

It did and it does today. My aunt was telling me how she was praying next to men when she went for Hajj.

[Saraxnow]

These are Pro-Regressives, going back and retreating away from Islam.