Puntland VS Matt Bryden

[Saraxnow]

I never knew this old white man was so against Somaliland maybe he has lots of anti Somaliland friends

You probably got that quote from another forum written by a non Somalilander

If you want him to support your cause, marry him off to Edna

We'll give him Saado so he becomes confused sii soco

[gurey25]

Gurey,

You will be able to tell from the way its written where I got this quote. What is your response?

" 80% of the clans in the south east Hawd area (commonly known as Gar-X-jis) are ok with union,, have always been. revulsion to union with Somalia largely follows a clan pattern with Habar west, the clan of the incumbent, and those whose name is the same as the Arab neighbours, staunchly against while the rest are either not strongly against or even sympathetic to union. Reaction to the election of a new president in Somalia also brought out this pattern."

from this post i am beginning to understand.
i understand now and dont blame you..
anyone will be in your position if they rely too much on stuff posted on Somalinet and even worse Somaliaonline

[Rabshoole]

The woman is not even Isaaq, but Gudabursi. Some of you have started believing your own fantasy as reality...

So you are saying that those people are NOt somalilanders Thank you for admitting that only Issaq are Somalilanders while the other clans are Somaliweynists.

[Grant]

Gurey,

You will be able to tell from the way its written where I got this quote. What is your response?

" 80% of the clans in the south east Hawd area (commonly known as Gar-X-jis) are ok with union,, have always been. revulsion to union with Somalia largely follows a clan pattern with Habar west, the clan of the incumbent, and those whose name is the same as the Arab neighbours, staunchly against while the rest are either not strongly against or even sympathetic to union. Reaction to the election of a new president in Somalia also brought out this pattern."

from this post i am beginning to understand.
i understand now and dont blame you..
anyone will be in your position if they rely too much on stuff posted on Somalinet and even worse Somaliaonline

Gurey,

I have seen similar statements in multiple places and I am having a hard time seeing your reply as responsive. We both know the Dir fielded a full, or nearly full, complement of MPs in the national Parliament. Samatar is even being considered for PM. The talks go on.....

The Somaliaonline coverage of the election was actually quite good.

[abdikarim86]

The woman is not even Isaaq, but Gudabursi. Some of you have started believing your own fantasy as reality...

So you are saying that those people are NOt somalilanders Thank you for admitting that only Issaq are Somalilanders while the other clans are Somaliweynists.

Skywalker suggested no such thing.
You are implying this man was propogating Isaaq interests because
his wife is one.

He wife is not Isaaq

[abdikarim86]

The woman is not even Isaaq, but Gudabursi. Some of you have started believing your own fantasy as reality...

So you are saying that those people are NOt somalilanders Thank you for admitting that only Issaq are Somalilanders while the other clans are Somaliweynists.

Well you tell me. Your the one who one minute says; This whitemans wife is a Somalilander and his biased and the next, those in Awadal dont support Somaliland. Make up your mind because those to positions are incompatible.

Ha la yaabin, holding 2 contradictory positions is natural for hypocrites.

[gurey25]

Gurey,

You will be able to tell from the way its written where I got this quote. What is your response?

" 80% of the clans in the south east Hawd area (commonly known as Gar-X-jis) are ok with union,, have always been. revulsion to union with Somalia largely follows a clan pattern with Habar west, the clan of the incumbent, and those whose name is the same as the Arab neighbours, staunchly against while the rest are either not strongly against or even sympathetic to union. Reaction to the election of a new president in Somalia also brought out this pattern."

from this post i am beginning to understand.
i understand now and dont blame you..
anyone will be in your position if they rely too much on stuff posted on Somalinet and even worse Somaliaonline

Gurey,

I have seen similar statements in multiple places and I am having a hard time seeing your reply as responsive. We both know the Dir fielded a full, or nearly full, complement of MPs in the national Parliament. Samatar is even being considered for PM. The talks go on.....

The Somaliaonline coverage of the election was actually quite good.

Dir???????? Parlaiment????????
I will give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you mistakenly believe that they in some way represent their clan.
apart from the gadabursi the rest of the northern "Dir" are supposed to refer to Isaaq.

This is deliberate provocation.
This is interclan mudslinging and political manouevering in response to the the complete absence of both groups from Southern Politics and being invested in Somaliland.
To maintain their claim on Somaliland, they have filled these posts with two kinds of politicians from the north, both of whom have no constiuency and were never elected by their people.
One group albeit a small group like Samatar are naive idealists , the rest are prostitutes doing tricks.

now in case you do know what you are doing and have become a partisan to the inter clan mudslinging with your reference to "Dir"
and some "parlaiment"
you need to explain yourself.
Since you apparently still believe Somaliaonline is a credible source i will not waste my time or yours on this subject.

[Khalid Ali]

What Grant also fails to realise not sure if he is following Politics in Somalia but Somalias communique garowe accord Nairobi accord suggested that Somalias Elders traditional elders legitimate elders should select and appoint and approve the MPs in Somalia. There are about 8 Ciise MPS in Somalia not a single one of them was approved by the Ciise ugaas or ciise Sultans. There are about 9 Gadabuursi mps in Somalia not a single of them was approved by the Gadabuursi ugaas or the various Gadabuursi Sultans. There are about 24 Isaaq MPS as they told us not a single one of them was approved or selected by the Isaaq elders There are about 8 MPS in Somalia from the Dhulbahante clan only 5 of them was approved by the Dhulbahante elders the other 3 were approved by other entities. So tell me how legitimate are these so called dirty woqoyi they have no legitimacy whats so ever. Even according to their own laws and accords of Somalia. So we can clearly say that the Mps that are said to represent the constituencies in Somaliland are a fraud and illegitimate.

As for the prime minister positions dont be silly the Prime Minister position is a darood position and a daarood will get that position most likely from the Majeerteen clan.

[Grant]

Khalid,

Thank you for the post. This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. I do follow Somali politics as closely as I am able, but that is rarely as close as I would like. Despite what it sounds like, I do not have an actual dog in this fight. My concern has been for the people living in the disputed territories.

I was aware Faroole grabbed some of the Dhulbahante votes, but never did quite figure it out. It didn't sound right. What reason was given for that switch?

I was not aware that the traditional leaders of the Cisse, Samaroon and Issaq did not appoint their clan MPs. If the traditional leaders refuse to appoint the clan's MPs, who does that role fall to? And why do those appointers not form a constituency?

During the negotiations over the sale of the Berbera port to Dubai Port World/DPA, it was reported that Siilaanyo gave Sheekh Shariif the Issaq votes for his presidential campaign, in return for the Somali President's signature on the sale documents. It sounded weird at the time, but also like Siilaanyo felt he could control the votes and that the vote would be legitimate. Was there any rational part to that story?

Your logic with respect to the PM position is impeccable. But it is still my understanding that Samatar is being considered. Under 4.3 he is eligible.

[Khalid Ali]

Khalid,

Thank you for the post. This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. I do follow Somali politics as closely as I am able, but that is rarely as close as I would like. Despite what it sounds like, I do not have an actual dog in this fight. My concern has been for the people living in the disputed territories.

I was aware Faroole grabbed some of the Dhulbahante votes, but never did quite figure it out. It didn't sound right. What reason was given for that switch?

I was not aware that the traditional leaders of the Cisse, Samaroon and Issaq did not appoint their clan MPs. If the traditional leaders refuse to appoint the clan's MPs, who does that role fall to? And why do those appointers not form a constituency?

During the negotiations over the sale of the Berbera port to Dubai Port World/DPA, it was reported that Siilaanyo gave Sheekh Shariif the Issaq votes for his presidential campaign, in return for the Somali President's signature on the sale documents. It sounded weird at the time, but also like Siilaanyo felt he could control the votes and that the vote would be legitimate. Was there any rational part to that story?

Your logic with respect to the PM position is impeccable. But it is still my understanding that Samatar is being considered. Under 4.3 he is eligible.

There is a system in place which is called the 4.5 as for those politicians in Somalia acting as if they represent Somaliland the reason why they cant form a one unit is because they do not have the support of the constituency they are wishing to represent unlike other entities in across Somalia. The role fell in the hands of Politicians in the south most likely southerners appointed these guys in the Parliament house. Some even used fake elders just to fill empty seats. As for the Dhulbahante Faroole the President of Puntland considers eastern sool part of his tribal state Puntland. So he used his power in Somalia as one of the signatures of the road map to get 3 seats from the Dhulbahante clan,claiming that the Dhulbahante is a Puntland clan. As for President Siilaanyo and sh sharif talks the said talks of Somaliland and Somalia the first phase sure Sh sharif wanted to be back but , even sh sharif knows that President Siilaanyo doesn't control the so called seats in Somalia. He could've played a role in the selection of Mps so that they can vote a certain way but sh sharif could've do that easily him self. When he had the likes of Hussein arab ciise on his side. Also on the rumors of the dubai port and berbera port agreement the Somaliland government denied that there was such a agreement i am sure it was discussed but those were just rumors. Grant in Somalia if the President is hawiye the speaker of Parliament is Rahanweyn the Prime Minister will be darood. President hassan sheikh Mahamuud will not risk to lose support of Puntland or the Gedo And Cabuudwaaq Kismayo supporters. Samatar falling under the Dir stance no chance in the 4.5 to be selected as Prime Minister u just have to look into Somalias history. Since Somaliland declared its independence from Somalia in 1991 there were only 2 prime Ministers from Somaliland in Somalia for a short period of time. the First one was Prime Minister Umar carte qaalib he held that position for 2 years and a few months. And the other Prime Minister from Somaliland was Cali Khalif galaydh he held that position for a year. So i can assure you the President will be Somalia particularly from the Puntland region.

[Hibonuraa]

I never knew this old white man was so against Somaliland maybe he has lots of anti Somaliland friends

You probably got that quote from another forum written by a non Somalilander

If you want him to support your cause, marry him off to Edna

We'll give him Saado so he becomes confused sii soco

@Sara

[Grant]

Khalid,

The 4.3 was a typo.

I found this post in the Borama thread. It makes me wonder which of the southern politicians appointed the Isaaq MPs. Methinks we have not yet heard all of that tale..... The Dhulbahante MPs were clearly stolen. The situation with the Issaq MPs is different.

"Waryaaa i speak for Somaliland my blood is Somaliland Somaliland is me and i am Somaliland.

I think i am the most nationalistic Somalilander ever even Maxammad ictraaf has no shit on me

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[udun]

What Grant also fails to realise not sure if he is following Politics in Somalia but Somalias communique garowe accord Nairobi accord suggested that Somalias Elders traditional elders legitimate elders should select and appoint and approve the MPs in Somalia. There are about 8 Ciise MPS in Somalia not a single one of them was approved by the Ciise ugaas or ciise Sultans. There are about 9 Gadabuursi mps in Somalia not a single of them was approved by the Gadabuursi ugaas or the various Gadabuursi Sultans. There are about 24 Isaaq MPS as they told us not a single one of them was approved or selected by the Isaaq elders There are about 8 MPS in Somalia from the Dhulbahante clan only 5 of them was approved by the Dhulbahante elders the other 3 were approved by other entities. So tell me how legitimate are these so called dirty woqoyi they have no legitimacy whats so ever. Even according to their own laws and accords of Somalia. So we can clearly say that the Mps that are said to represent the constituencies in Somaliland are a fraud and illegitimate.

As for the prime minister positions dont be silly the Prime Minister position is a darood position and a daarood will get that position most likely from the Majeerteen clan.

That is pure bullsh-t. The Ciise Ugaas was aware of it and he has approved it. The Samaroon traditional elders also approved it. If traditional elders were not there, they have nominated representatives on their behalf who could present them.

WRT to the 3 Dhulbahante delegates, they were appointed by Boqor C/Laahi Maxamed Dabagooye and Chief Caaqil Mohamud Omar Camey. Suldaan Siciid Cismaan Cali of Khaalid Habarwaa has also appointed Boqor C/Laahi Maxamed Dabagooye as his representative for the selection of parliamentarians in the TFG. The three parliamentarians came from the Dhulbahante subclans represented by these three traditional elders.

If you want to tell a lie, tell a believable one, and not one that you have invented from nowhere!

[Grant]

Udun,

This is looking promising.

So I was wrong about the 3 Dhulbahante votes being stolen. (?) I still don't understand how Faroole and Puntland got involved in that. I had understood that all but one of the Garaads was with Khaatumo.

But the elephant in the room remains: Who appointed the Isaaq MPs?

[udun]

Udun,

This is looking promising.

So I was wrong about the 3 Dhulbahante votes being stolen. (?) I still don't understand how Faroole and Puntland got involved in that. I had understood that all but one of the Garaads was with Khaatumo.

But the elephant in the room remains: Who appointed the Isaaq MPs?

The traditional elders I have mentioned support PL, and that is how people are accusing them and President A/Raxmaan Faroole. The people who are accusing Faroole have another agenda when reality is the traditional elders of those parliamentarians selected them for those positions.

For Isaaq MPs, if from what I had heard is correct, both their SL government and their traditional elders were aware when they were selected. In the parliament election, all of Isaaq parliamentarians supported Sheekh Shariif. That tells you there was a consensus behind them