Daraawiish and the Kacaan Revisionsim.

[original dervish]

Don`t waste your time with these iidoor usupers.
X p;layer is only doing what iidoor pseudo-scholars have attempted before in writing fairy tales.
The British basically owned the iidoor, and they were happy to be owned.
The treaty that they signed, handing their land and people over to the gaal is proof enough.
Case closed

[X.Playa]

To resume, the Mullah followed up his first coup of April 1899 by a further successful foray against the Habr Yunis in August, and he reoccupied Burao with a force estimated at 5000 men. He gave himself out as the Mahdi; and ominous rumours spread foretelling an advance on Berbera. The Consul General urged an expedition on the Home Government, but our commitments elsewhere, more particularly in south Africa, were such as to preclude the immediate adoption of this course. During the first seven months of 1900, the Mullah was comparatively inactive, but in August he suddenly swooped down upon the Aidegalla tribe and caused all the friendly tribes to evacuate the Haud in confusion. Next month the Habr Awal tribe suffered severely at his hands.

There was no occupation of Burco in April 1899 , what happened is this some H.Y raided some Dariiqa Habar Jeclo and HJ and other Dariiqa clans rescued their camels :

Muhammed Abdullah had, however, for some time enjoyed considerable influence over the Habr Toljaala and Dolbahanta tribes inhabiting the more remote portions of the Protectorate, and at first this influence appears to have been exercised for good. At the begining of last year, however, the Mullah, on the plea of a theft of camels committed by the Habr Yunis (who live within the Protectorate), raided the territory of that tribe, occupied the town of Burao. Consul-General Sadler's despatch to Lord Salisbury

“Sultan Nur hastily left eastwards, and is supposed to have repaired to Burao, whence he will probably rejoin the Mullah. The eastern sections of the Habr Yunis are still with the Mullah, but the Position has so far improved that the westerly sections, whose attitude had before been doubtful, are now said to have definitely declared against Sultan Nur and the Mullah. At this point there is now every reason to believe this movement will now stop in its movement westwards,leaving the line of division as reported i n my previous despatch. Consul-General Sadler's despatch to Lord Salisbury

Its all with in the context , assmebling clans and men in Burco as the promise was togather men from both east and west and to meet in Burco in Agust 1899.

Berbera, September 14, 1899. (October 2.)
My Lord, On the instant information was received that the Mullah Muhammad Abdullah, had left Burao and occupied Odweina, in the western Habr Yunis country. He is there coercing the western Habr Yunis tribes who water at Odweina, Adadleh, and Syk, and who had declared themselves against him and Sultan Nur. He has seized some of their principal men and a considerable quantity of their livestock grazing in the Arori and Toyo Plains. |

It is unfortunate that we could not get earlier information of the Mullah's Intention to move to Burao. I have before alluded to the secrecy which covers his proceedings, and to the difficulty of obtaining reliable Information from the Dolbahanta, It will be observed from late reports that I considered the movement was subsiding, and, although we were aware that Sultan Nur had sent several letters to the Mullah to assist him in coercing the western Habr Yunis tribes, our Information was to the effect that all attempts to raise a force had failed. Such was certainly the opinion of Sheikh Mattar, of Hargaisa, whose means of obtaining information are probably unequalled in the Protectorate, and whose good faith there is no reason to question. He did not consider there was any probability of a move on the Mullah's part tiU next spring rains, when he thought that, if he found himself strong enough, he would then create trouble in the western part of the Protectorate, or move into the Ogaden. This opinion was expressed the day I left Hargaisa on my return journey. There seems to have been an altercation, too, between the Mullah and Sultan Nur, the latter saying that he had not collected men and supplies at Burao, as the Mullah had moved earlier than he had expected. Consul-General Sadler's despatch to Lord Salisbury

Once the eastern H.,Y +H.J+ Dhulos who came with Mullah assembled in Burco Oodweyne was raided to punish Sultaan Nuur's enemies in particular sheekh Muuse's tariqa ( the tariqa was burned) the man who stood against sultaan Nuur when the sultan called for a grand meeting for the H.Y to declare war on july 26 1899. Its all with in the genesis of the formation of the movement, nothing out of the ordinary, ciidagale getting raided or Habar Awal or Ogaadeen it matters little , it doesn't change the argument one bit. What we are talking about is the movement and how it was founded and who joined it and who was top leader not who raided who??

I see you are going desprate Udun , you thought you could pull some Dhulos pull shit on me but i made sure you ate your words word by word and you are cornered and in a tight position , i have proved every point I have raised even your Ismaaciil Mire bvit the dust and is nothing but a stable-boy who called the mullah "daddy" no amount of repeating that poem above will change the facts that :

1- The Herd raided by the Dervish were all Dhulos

2- Ismaaciil mire was among the scout who spoted the camles as he claimed in his poem.

3- That 300 dhulbahnate joined Corfeild to get their stocks back

4- That the line 27 of the poem was added by your clan to make it as though the herds belonged to Isaaq.

But thanx to the master Sheeko Xariir ( Aw Jaamac's historical teacher, much of Aw Jaamac's poems and history of Dervish was collected from Sheeko Xariir ) have put that line in its place and in its correct form and that it was Tirsan maayo uunkii tirmay iyo gaalo taabaca'e ( ismaaciil is saying i would not claim the dead dhulos who followed Corfiled) .

Saw Udun lama edbin iyo dhulos????? beentoodii saw ma burburin , aw jaamac bay baratay iyo Darwiishe saw may eedin? i will wait for the vote on the debate.

[X.Playa]

X player why have you summoned me here......when your pseudo-thesis has already been traduced for the worthless iidoori revisionism it is?
It really has become tiresome how these iidoor, repulsed by their own colonial servitude, attempt to usurp the glorious Dhulbahante/Somali history.

Dont call me here again....Udun has already despatched your lies/ masters diaries.
dhulbahante is synonymous with

Boy you need to know the meaning of the term revisionsim, what i just quoted here were all history that was writen pre-1970 and pre-aw jaamac and pre-Idaajaa and Afqarshe and the stinking Kacaan. Those of you who defend the 1970's history and trying to overthrow the 1899-1920's history are the revisionest not me, 100% of the usage for the word revisionsim are for those who re-wrote history in the 1970's and not for those like me who argue for the ancient model of 1899-1920. since am arguing for the older model and Udun and you and your Dhulos are arguing for Aw Jaamac's 1976 then you are the revsionest not me.

[X.Playa]

Now let see how the English organized its forces and what clan they were :

1-Tribal Horse, recruited from the Dolbahanta, Ba Idris, Habr Yunis, and Midgan tribes, and No. IV, Gadabursi Horse, recruited about entirely from Gadabursi men. The strength of each corps was 600 horsemen, 550 horses or mules, and 50 foot levies. Each man was supplied with a rifle, bandolier, blanket, saddle, water-bottle, and one horse or mule. A red tobe* was also issued as a distinguishing badge. The term of enlistment was for three months from the date of commencement of the operations. Pay was at the rate of 30 rs. for headmen, and 15 rs.for others, per month. After the battle of Jidbalj, both corps were amalgamated and called the Tribal Horse, their combined strength being reduced to 750 men. Of these, 250 picked men were taken for operations with the Mounted Troops, the remaining 5OO returned to Ain Abo and Eil Dab for raiding parties.). Page 419

These were fighters on horses in battle.

2-Dolbahantas had been specially enlisted as Ilaalos, on account of their superior value as Ilalos to Ishak men generally, and their knowledge of the country in which it was proposed to operate. As a result, however, of these desertions it was decided, with certain exceptions, to replace the Dolbahauta by Ishak, and to select such Ishak men from the Habr Toljaalu mostly, Saad Yunis being subjected to careful scrutiny. The exceptions alluded to consisted of : —

(i) Men who were known to have a blood feud with the Mullah

(ii) Men who had recognized guarantees in the sha^K) of relations of property in our sphere ;
and

(iii) A somewhat large percentage which the intelligence officers at Bohotlo was permitted to retain, in view of the intimate knowledge he had of the Bohotle men who had been with him for some time back. When these changes were carried out, the proportion showed about six Ishak to four Dolbahantas. Page 398

These Illaalos were "jaajuusiin" notice how even the English say Dhulbahnate are much more superior in Jaajuusnimo then H.Y and H.J . Iam a fair debator 6 Isaaq = 3 H.Y and 3 H.J and 4 Dhulbahnate which means 40% Dhulbahnate , 30% H.Y and 30% H.J, they still got the edge on us when it comes to the skills of Jaajuusnimo and even the number and the company .

There was little diffaculty in obataining Ilaalos, the pay being good and the service popular. Enlistments were made, as a rule, through some principal men. This had drawbacks, as , for instance, it cannot be doubted but that some considerable “dustoorie” was brought into play; but it is the only practicable method at any rate at present and produce men who can be known and vouched for. The tow men through whom the largest number of enlistments were made were Hersi Isa (Rer Wais Adan) retained as a sort of principal headman to the whole Ilaalo establishment, and Ali Bulali ( a Burkat Achil).

The Dhulbahnate 2 caaqils had their own compnay of Jaajuusiin it was no difficult to obtain a Dhulbahnate Jaajuus, the Dhulbahnate had their own company of Jaajuusiin namley as quoted above by tow Cheif Caaqils Xirsi&Cali Jaajuusnimo Limited.

Refrence : Official History Of The Operations V. Tow. page 398 and page 419.

Lets see what Udun's come back on this is, probably he is going to claim that reer Barkad and wacays Adan are not Dhulos and they are some UFO clan.

[original dervish]

hahaha...... you poor deluded revisionist iidoor lol.
Any half witted schoolboy can cut and paste to their hearts content.

The history is well known, recorded by both your colonial fathers and historians from all over the world.
A refugee iidoor who has only recently become acquainted with cut/paste, is not gonna overturn 100 yeras of oral/written history.

However, i admire your attempt to clean the stain of infamy from your fathers and grandfathers.

[CaliBurco]

Cot damn, dad baa la aasay walee

[X.Playa]

hahaha...... you poor deluded revisionist iidoor lol.
Any half witted schoolboy can cut and paste to their hearts content.

The history is well known, recorded by both your colonial fathers and historians from all over the world.
A refugee iidoor who has only recently become acquainted with cut/paste, is not gonna overturn 100 yeras of oral/written history.

However, i admire your attempt to clean the stain of infamy from your fathers and grandfathers.

What a cheap come back , the book is online google it and read the pages i quoted it. You little Saado Cali boys have been living in a an artificial historical Kacaan made bubble, you had few years from 1976 to 1986 to change history , dominate Somali Radios with your shit and few peoplle had the means ot the time to challeng your lies . Now that we are in west and reserach materials are esay to find that flimsy heresay Aw Jaamac collected in 1976 cant stand against decent scholarship, for instance Aw Jaamac claimes he used :

1- The Mad Mullah Of somaliland by Douglas Jardine as a refrence , in the entire book of Douglas Jardin out of maybe 10 Dervish names mentioned only the Mullah and Caamir and xaaji Cismaan , Cali Guhaar are Daarood all Ogadeen , not a single Dhulbahnate ever mentioned , the rest are all Isaaq , Suudi, Nuur, Deria Caraale, Cabdi Dheere, Cabdilaahi Shixiri , Ibraahim Buqul, and Xaaji Firxad who is a Hawiye. 4 Daarood , 6 saaq and 1 Hawiye. From the beging of the movement to the end the Isaaq were the leaders the British named. Now how come all of a sudden in 1970's they were all missing?

2- He claimed he used the book by the Arab Cabdi Zabuur Marzuuq supposedly writen in 1964 with the assitance of Cabdikariim Cabdulle Xasan , i have the book and its online for free in Arabic, non of Aw Jaamac's fairytale can be found any where in the book, the book is pretty much decent non-clanist no Dhulbahante is flaunted in every other 2 pages like Aw Jaamac's qurjiile manuscript.

Both books are free and online, so if he used those for references how come his entire book is full of Dhulbahnate chopping the head of dead British but in all his reference non exist? ts doesn't even exist in the book by Cabdikariim Cabdulle Xasan , he didn't even mention ismaaciil Mire, lool its a tale designed and funded by Afweyne in the 1970's to gave the Dhulos "a his-story" and they got it and it back fired now every dhulbahnate believe the myth and think of himself a whirling dervish , so much that they are whirling themselves to death in this muck of lies.,

[original dervish]

So are we to believe in the pseudo-scholarship of a drink sodden, atheistic iidoori refugee?
I think not.
goodnight and goodbye.

[X.Playa]

you have no argument kid , you know what you have been led to believe is busted all with citetions you know you can't refute it , so you are hopless. I suggest you to change your name as soon as possible and cease to flaunt "iam dervish" shit 24/7 and tell that to your small qurjiile community too.

[udun]

While this was fate of beesha Iidoor in 1899 as they chose to be gaalo lackeys,

To resume, the Mullah followed up his first coup of April 1899 by a further successful foray against the Habr Yunis in August, and he reoccupied Burao with a force estimated at 5000 men. He gave himself out as the Mahdi; and ominous rumours spread foretelling an advance on Berbera. The Consul General urged an expedition on the Home Government, but our commitments elsewhere, more particularly in south Africa, were such as to preclude the immediate adoption of this course. During the first seven months of 1900, the Mullah was comparatively inactive, but in August he suddenly swooped down upon the Aidegalla tribe and caused all the friendly tribes to evacuate the Haud in confusion. Next month the Habr Awal tribe suffered severely at his hands.

This was also their fate under the British protection in 1906.

WALTER LITTLEFIELD, April 10, 1910:

And this brings us down to the Time covered by the Colonial Blue Book mentioned at the threshold of this article. It seems that early in 1906 some members of the Habr Unis tribe raided the Mad Mullah’s reservation and carried off a few hundred camels. The Mad Mullah quickly retaliated, laid waste the farms of this tribe, and captured and occupied the town of Burao, whose English garrison retreated. This of course, again brought him into conflict with Downing Street.

There ensued a long series of diplomatic correspondence between the Colonial office, which had in the meantime taken over the protectorate from the foreign office, and the commissioners in Somaliland. The Commissioners urged again and again that a strong expedition be sent out, while the Foreign Office thought that the Mad Mullah might be bought off by subsidy. To this Capt. Cordeaux replied:
“It would provide him with the means of purchasing more arms and ammunition and would encourage him to make further demands, which would become more extravagant as his strength increased.”

You can see when the Iidoors were bitchslapped and disciplined after they stole a few hundred camels, they were decimated, and Dervishes completely occupied the city of Burao in 1906.

The British officials in Somali territories debated whether they should launch another offensive against the Dervishes movement in order to avenge the beating that gaalo lackeys aka Iidoors suffered. The British colonialists in Hargeisa and Berbera were discussing they need to retialiate with a full force of the British empire, while the foreign office in British empire were debating other means. As you can see the debate is between British officials and Iidoor minion clans had no relevance here.

In Capt. Cordeaux’s opinion only two courses were open: A total withdrawal from the protectorate or the dispatch of a well equipped expedition. To this the Colonial Office replied:

“A forward movement against the Mullah is quite out of the question.”

Then came this from the commissioner:

“I do not hesitate to say withdrawal in the face of an actively hostile Mullah would be disastrous not only to our tribes but also to our prestige throughout Northeast Africa."

In the last line, ladies and gentlemen you can see the British officials debating and stating the cost is too much. In the end, you can see the British commissioner stating:

"I do not hesitate to say withdrawal in the face of an actively hostile Mullah would be disastrous not only to our tribes but also to our prestige throughout Northeast Africa."

Keep in mind that "our tribes" mentioned here are Eydoors, and the British commissioner is stating that Iidoors who were British colinialists' own tribes would be massacred. What a fate, what a fate!!!

No wonder why Iidoors were carrying the British officials on their backs ileen the British were their saviours

[original dervish]

no no Udun, you got it all wrong, as have the hisorians over the last 100 years.
It was actually the iidoori who were the true dervish and the dhulbahante were colonised.

[X.Playa]

Collecting the Dervish raids on clans isn't an argument that would make the Dhulbahnate and their Ismaaciil Mire the top dervish , what i challenged is your uncle Aw Jaamac and the Dhulbahnate narraticve , it amounts to nothing you quoting me the Dervish attcking some Isaaq clans, i can fill a 3 page thread on how many raides the Harti alone received , but it means nothing really. The Mullah himself is an Ogaadeen and his ogaadeen were raided by Dervish more then the H.J and H.Y put together, does that mean the top position of the Dervish was devoid of Ogaadeen?? of course not, and that simple point guts your collection above.

It won't change all the points and argument i made, that there was no Dhulbahnate Dervish and there was no Ismaaciil Mire commander before the 1970, both were a fictious invention led by Aw Jaamac and Idaajaa. From the day the Dervish was created in 1899 till its destruction in 1920 all top men of the movement of the Dervis were not Dhulbahnate. Take one more fact for example a little iceing on the cake shall we say, in 1920 Sir G.F.Archer issued a reward for the capture of top Dervish
Collection 324A/131 Somaliland operations, 1919: report and recommendations for reward, measures to prevent mullah's escape (Mullah Mahommed Abdullah). IOR/L/MIL/7/14634 1919-1933
, and the list was as this:

1- The Mullah
2- Xaaji suudi
3- Ibaarhim Buqul
4- Abshir Dhoore.

No stable-boy Ismaaciil Mire and no fucken Qurjiile... thats was my argument and i think i have bulldozed your argument literally.

[original dervish]

yeah you definitely deserve a drink....oh I forgot, you had some before you started

[skywalker25]

Original Dervish this is no time to play a jester. Man up and defend your father christmas like fairytale history. Or are you one of the smart ones who deep down knows your pitiful people who are today under curfew were nothing, not now nor historically.

[X.Playa]

In Capt. Cordeaux’s opinion only two courses were open: A total withdrawal from the protectorate or the dispatch of a well equipped expedition. To this the Colonial Office replied:

“A forward movement against the Mullah is quite out of the question.”

Then came this from the commissioner:

“I do not hesitate to say withdrawal in the face of an actively hostile Mullah would be disastrous not only to our tribes but also to our prestige throughout Northeast Africa

."


Yes indeed Udun boy it was a disastor and that disastor first of all fell on top of your people not H.Y or H.J , let me educated you a bit boy you seem to be just quoting things and not understanding at all what they mean.From 1905 to 1910 the Dervish were in Majeerteenia. Once the Brtisih withdrew, The withdrawal to coast took place in 1910, in the same year the Dervish took over all of the Nugaal sending the Dhulbahnate to the feeding centres in Burco where the British distrubted food for the hungary Dhulbahnate refugee. In 1911 the Dervish crushed the Dhulabhante pro-British forces led by Faarax Dacay and he was killed along his people. The Dervish took over Buhoodle and Dhulbahnate garrison and the British fort and those Dhulbahnate who were staioned there fled, in 1912 again the Dhulbahnate were raided , thousands fled to the coast this was the years the Habar Awa; at Berbera were overdosed with hungary Dhulbahnate women that were prostituting for food and they sang "Naago Dhaadheer Oo Dhulbahnate Baa Dhulkii Yimi oo Ragii Dhabay". . It was a catastrophe on your people when the British wthidrew. There was a big debate on what happened to your people and House of Lords when argued against the withdarawal took the Dhulbahnate plight as an example. In 1913 again the Dervish raidedf the Dhulbahnate and took their herds , it was a three years of hell for the Dhulbahnate.

HL Deb 06 April 1910 vol 5 cc556-98556
LORD CURZON OF KEDLESTON
I should like to recover my reputation in the estimation of the noble Earl. I said that Chitral and Afghanistan were cases where 595 in the one instance the policy of evacuation favoured by the Government of the day had been abandoned by their successors, and we had been compelled to go back, and where in the other it would be rash to prophesy as to the future. However, that is neither here nor there. There is another small point of fact about which I should like to put myself straight. There has been some dispute as to what has happened as the direct consequence of this evacuation of the interior of Somaliland. There has been a little controversy as to what has occurred in the case of these unfortunate Dolbahanta. The noble Earl represents the matter as an ordinary incident of tribal warfare—that these people attacked the Mullah's force and secured some momentary advantage, and the Mullah's force attacked them in return and they were defeated. It really is very much more than that

.

Mr Philip Glazebrook
House Of Commons. 24 February 1914
While affairs are getting worse and worse among our friendly tribes, the other problem, that of the Mullah, advanced one more step, by a raid on the Dolbahanta tribe in February, 1912, as a result of which a large number of the Dolbahanta became destitute refugees. We must remember that the Dolbahanta tribe is one of the friendly tribes who have taken our side in previous conflicts with the Mullah. I admit that the Camel Corps was not formed for the purpose of protecting them against the Mullah, but it was formed very shortly after, that date, and was ready by December, 1912.

Now let me tell you more unlike what your Kacaan people use to tell you the British cared about your Qurjiile and before they withdrew to the coast they armed your people :..

THE EARL OF CREWE
That is not so. There has been a good deal of desultory fighting between the Mullah and the Dolbahanta for some time past. What really happened is that the Dolbahanta are now so well armed that they thought themselves strong enough to go and attack the Mullah.

LORD CURZON OF KEDLESTON
I am speaking on the authority of those who have recently been in the country, who have just come from the country and have had contact with the tribes to which I refer. I am assured by them that these incidents have occurred since the intention of His Majesty's Government to retire became known. I mention it in illustration of the argument that the news of evacuation, and still more the effect of evacuation, have already had consequences which we should all deplore. One other word about the tribes. The noble Earl tells us that the tribes have always been armed. I believe he is not altogether correct in that statement.

THE EARL OF CREWE
I did not say that the tribes have been armed in the sense that every man, or anything like every man, has been armed, but a certain number of them have had arms undoubtedly.

Udun kid you can't win this debate give it up , not even aw Jaamac or Idaajaa or even educated once like Abdi Sheekh Abdi or Siciid Samatar can debate me when it comes to these things, you have been humilated enough am toying with you after my initial onslaught. You are reduced to contesting minor details and points , gone the arrogance of "am Darwiish" you are humbled and defanged and harmless now live and quite the debate before Babygirl comes in and witness what a disastor fell on you.