Some beautiful pictures from Hargeisa, Somalia

[Xildiiid]

You still haven't addressed anything.

I want you to disprove these statements.

1. Afweyne did not build anything of value in Somaliland.

2. The Afweyne regime can't claim what the Soviets and the Chinese built in SL.

3. The British did more in terms of infrastructure, health and education. Ever since the colonial development and welfare act was passed in the British parliament in 1945, colonel Jamesson who was the chief of civil affairs in the East African command propagated for and worked effortlessly to create and expand medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL something Afweyne did not. As Gacanyare pointed out, the British were more than willing to build the greatest and largest university in Africa in Somaliland but since the Isaaq elders opposed most people who wanted higher education had to travel to Great Britain.

[Caesar]

My proof is there for everyone to see, you can still cry like a baby and not address my points as usual and try and distract from the main issue.

I made it clear and easy enough to understand, even to those who come from an area with no universities.
Snet sees the truth, stick with a rusty broken ford car

You provide no sources so it's hard to take what you say at face value.
Again provide sources for your claims as I did, which you cannot since you are merely claiming for the sake of claiming. We cannot have a debate if one side merely talks without facts. Until you provide sources for your claim my karbash stands.

My karbash is real

[Xildiiid]

The ''proof'' you posted doesn't address any of my statements.

We can have a serious debate but first you have disprove these 3 statements.

1. Afweyne did not build anything of value in Somaliland.

2. The Afweyne regime can't claim what the Soviets and the Chinese built in SL.

3. The British did more in terms of infrastructure, health and education. Ever since the colonial development and welfare act was passed in the British parliament in 1945, colonel Jamesson who was the chief of civil affairs in the East African command propagated for and worked effortlessly to create and expand medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL something Afweyne did not.

[Caesar]

I disproved everything already,
you are merely hesitating to show sources. How shook did I make you
Provide Sources for your claims as I have,If you took it from a source and not a drunken oday, by all means drop the name of the source and link. Heresay is not valid.

Anyways like I have proven, The British have done nothing for Somali land and die hard Somalilanders cannot put their money with their mouth is, continue talking for the sake of talking. Defend the Queen at all costs, privileged orphan.
I allow you to have the last word and so you can continue your circular argument, get back to me when you have sources.
Which I suppose in your case is less shame then admitting for everyone to see your beloved Queen didn't give a fuck about Sland and didn't build anything.


Continue to derail the debate and thread trying to put forth a Circle argument? and not bring ample sources of proof I already indicated for you on what to prove and you are still hesitating waiting for me to karbash you. I cannot do that until I am certain of the source, as with anything I need all the facts. You can continue writing paragraphs based on nothing though.
If you want to have the last word by all means go ahead, but you have proven nothing since you have shown no sources, and I doubt you will show sources.



Caesar

[grandpakhalif]

You still haven't addressed anything.

I want you to disprove these statements.

1. Afweyne did not build anything of value in Somaliland.

Berbera port, created and sanctioned by MSB(AUN) and constructed by Russian contractors is your main income stream and livelihood, millions of dollars are generated through it every year, so it remains an valuable asset to SL.

2. The Afweyne regime can't claim what the Soviets and the Chinese built in SL.

This is ridiculous, MSB (AUN) could've chose any other port city to build a deep sea water port like Hobyo or Eyl or Marka but he chose Berbera, without him choosing Berbera, the Chinese or Soviets wouldn't build it there. So of course he gets credit for it.

3. The British did more in terms of infrastructure, health and education. Ever since the colonial development and welfare act was passed in the British parliament in 1945, colonel Jamesson who was the chief of civil affairs in the East African command propagated for and worked effortlessly to create and expand medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL something Afweyne did not. As Gacanyare pointed out, the British were more than willing to build the greatest and largest university in Africa in Somaliland but since the Isaaq elders opposed most people who wanted higher education had to travel to Great Britain.

Caeser already provided proof from reputable sources saying the opposite, the British left you with little infrastructure, except a few early 20th century T-Ford vehicles. Provide proof refuting this fact or stay silent

[Xildiiid]

Again... You still haven't disproved anything and the ''proof'' you posted did not address any of my statements.

It's a simple task, I want you to disprove these statements.

1. Afweyne did not build anything of value in Somaliland.

2. The Afweyne regime can't claim what the Soviets and the Chinese built in SL.

3. The British did more in terms of infrastructure, health and education. Ever since the colonial development and welfare act was passed in the British parliament in 1945, colonel Jamesson who was the chief of civil affairs in the East African command propagated for and worked effortlessly to create and expand medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL something Afweyne did not.


How do I prove that Great Britain did more than Afweyne in terms of creating and expanding medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL?





The fact remains, Afweyne couldn't do what the British were doing in 1940's-1950's.

[Caesar]

You still haven't addressed anything.

I want you to disprove these statements.

1. Afweyne did not build anything of value in Somaliland.

Berbera port, created and sanctioned by MSB(AUN) and constructed by Russian contractors is your main income stream and livelihood, millions of dollars are generated through it every year, so it remains an valuable asset to SL.

2. The Afweyne regime can't claim what the Soviets and the Chinese built in SL.

This is ridiculous, MSB (AUN) could've chose any other port city to build a deep sea water port like Hobyo or Eyl or Marka but he chose Berbera, without him choosing Berbera, the Chinese or Soviets wouldn't build it there. So of course he gets credit for it.

3. The British did more in terms of infrastructure, health and education. Ever since the colonial development and welfare act was passed in the British parliament in 1945, colonel Jamesson who was the chief of civil affairs in the East African command propagated for and worked effortlessly to create and expand medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL something Afweyne did not. As Gacanyare pointed out, the British were more than willing to build the greatest and largest university in Africa in Somaliland but since the Isaaq elders opposed most people who wanted higher education had to travel to Great Britain.

Caeser already provided proof from reputable sources saying the opposite, the British left you with little infrastructure, except a few early 20th century T-Ford vehicles. Provide proof refuting this fact or stay silent

Excellent Points,GrandpaKhalif The proof was there to see, Xidiid is simply playing ignorant. I blame the british since they did not develop his lands at all and they missed out on a crucial opportunity to gain education.
He cannot refute them all sxb, the points I made and you have made
he wants to have a back and forth type of deal. When he drops sources for his outrageous claims he can be karbashed like the other slanders I karbashed.

[Xildiiid]

You still haven't addressed anything.

I want you to disprove these statements.

1. Afweyne did not build anything of value in Somaliland.

Berbera port, created and sanctioned by MSB(AUN) and constructed by Russian contractors is your main income stream and livelihood, millions of dollars are generated through it every year, so it remains an valuable asset to SL.

2. The Afweyne regime can't claim what the Soviets and the Chinese built in SL.

This is ridiculous, MSB (AUN) could've chose any other port city to build a deep sea water port like Hobyo or Eyl or Marka but he chose Berbera, without him choosing Berbera, the Chinese or Soviets wouldn't build it there. So of course he gets credit for it.

3. The British did more in terms of infrastructure, health and education. Ever since the colonial development and welfare act was passed in the British parliament in 1945, colonel Jamesson who was the chief of civil affairs in the East African command propagated for and worked effortlessly to create and expand medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL something Afweyne did not. As Gacanyare pointed out, the British were more than willing to build the greatest and largest university in Africa in Somaliland but since the Isaaq elders opposed most people who wanted higher education had to travel to Great Britain.

Caeser already provided proof from reputable sources saying the opposite, the British left you with little infrastructure, except a few early 20th century T-Ford vehicles. Provide proof refuting this fact or stay silent

Nonsense...

Berbera is the only natural deep water port in the Somali peninsula and the Soviets actually started developing the port prior to the military coup and it was completed in 1962 before Afweyne even came to power. (The Soviets were already in the Somali republic, training Somali troops as early as 1961) and the port served as naval base for the Sovietunion. They also built the Berbera airport in early 60's. The port was later developed by the Americans in 1986-1987. So the idea that Afweyne had anything to do with it is ridiculous.


The ''proof'' you mention address SL post dervish war i.e 1920 until the great depression of the 1930's.

The British did more than Afweyne starting from 1945 until 1960 as my previous post proves.


The Irony when Julius call us the orphans of the queen when he's still ruled by his colonial masters who protects him against the Eritrean females

[Caesar]

Again... You still haven't disproved anything and the ''proof'' you posted did not address any of my statements.

It's a simple task, I want you to disprove these statements.

1. Afweyne did not build anything of value in Somaliland.

2. The Afweyne regime can't claim what the Soviets and the Chinese built in SL.

3. The British did more in terms of infrastructure, health and education. Ever since the colonial development and welfare act was passed in the British parliament in 1945, colonel Jamesson who was the chief of civil affairs in the East African command propagated for and worked effortlessly to create and expand medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL something Afweyne did not.


How do I prove that Great Britain did more than Afweyne in terms of creating and expanding medical, educational and civic institutions throughout SL?





The fact remains, Afweyne couldn't do what the British were doing in 1940's-1950's.

Finally a source now I can start the karbash.

Here is where you are wrong. Get ready for this.
The sources you have posted, is talking about what the Brits were "aiming"
to do I.E goals etc. rather then what they have built! Post proof of what they built, rather then goals that never came to be.
Anyone can show forth "aims, dreams,goals,wishes" but the fact of the matter is, what did they build?


Here's why nothing was built, and their aim's fell apart.
The Darawiish war took up to much financial resources. As I have shown in my source, the British were extremely frugal as well, they didn't build much for Somaliland apart from roads.

And their aims about geography and all that, well I have a source for that showing they did absolutely nothing, they mostly focused on livestock, they didn't develop much about anything else.
Which really fits with your "aims" source since it was merely plans that never came to fruition because of no funding.


So I ask again.
Show sources the brits actually built something. Rather then their dreams,wishes and goals, and broken plans that were sabotaged by the mighty darawish fighters.

[Xildiiid]

As I already stated your ''proof'' address Somaliland post Dervish wars, in other words Somaliland during 1920-1930 while my post was from the Colonial office report and described SL during the 40's-50's.


Here's proof that the British did what Afweyne couldn't in terms of education. He did not build one school in SL while the British built countless schools and they expanded these institutions throughout SL.

[Xildiiid]

The British built hospitals and worked effortlessly to improve the health of the people unlike Afweyne who did not build a single hospital in SL.

[Caesar]

That's all I asked was proof See it's not hard is it.

But apart from that and ford trucks that was it for the brits. Since my source indicated 75 years of British involvement in somaliland.

Compared to the Italians and French, the brits didn't develop much in infrastructure. As they were extremely frugal.

Key note: Somalis complained even in the 1950s, so even though they established a few schools during that time, it was still nothing. Their frugality came to be after the Darawiish war since they expended most of their budget trying to kill muslim somalis who wanted to be free from colonialism.
This is what your own people say. So why try and defend the Brits whom your own elders said didn't do much just for spite against said barre?
The brits were as cheap as can be providing the bare minimum, while Siad Barre gave out of the sake of Somalinimo.

[Xildiiid]

Don Corleone aka Julius aka Classiq

What happened to your little bravado?


I see you still can't prove your case nor disprove what I've put forth.


The truth is, the British did what Afweyne couldn't. SL saw more development during the protectorate than during the illegal union and dictatorship.


The Dervish didn't fight for Somali nationalism, they were terrorists just like Al-Shabaab.

Most revenues came from our livestock trade and our port yet we saw no development. What's this ''out of Somalinimo'' shit you're talking about? When you pay tax you get something in return period.

[Caesar]

I am a seeker of knowledge

just provide sources? Was it really that hard
And I only use this account to post, again quit the character assassination just because you are sore.

Wait a minute, if the brits built so much as you claim after the darawish war, somehow during their new budget cut backs and providing the bare minimum,
why were you all asking for siad barre for build more infrastructure in the north lol this is a trip.

Like I have proven the British have provided the bare minimum in administering somaliland and your elders complained of the rusty old ford trucks they were left with.

[Xildiiid]

The fact remains you can't prove your case nor disprove me and the British did what Afweyne couldn't.

Most revenues came from Isaaq who dominated the livestock trade, revenues also came from our port. We brought in hard currency to the Somali Democratic Republic, we also payed taxes and when you pay taxes you get something, municipal services, basic development such as improved healhcare, infrastructure etc. but it didn't happen because he was a f-king thief.