Qabil Lives Matter (War Dadkani Waa Imtixaan)

[Alpharabius]

Can you tell me where we said on this thread that we look down on Blacks? No one's talking about that, and I really don't think that. So stop with the nonsense.

Kaafiye sxb , lets be honest here , you guys are proposing for the deportation of at least 1 million ppl from their homes to another foreign land simply because of their ethnicity. That's worst than looking down on them , that is ethnic cleansing , and to make it worse on your part these Bantus are Muslim and have been Muslims for centuries and you are advocating for them to be ethnically cleansed.


What's makes you different from Saciid Ayaanleh who you accuse of being non-muslim because he supports gays and disagrees with you on slavery , but here you are being racist which is haram and a sin in Allahs eyes , and you are discriminating against fellow Muslims which also haram.

Hypocrisy is not healthy sxb ilaahay ka baq.




Here are some of the definitions of ethnic cleansing.

[E]thnic cleansing [...] defies easy definition. At one end it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population exchange while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. At the most general level, however, ethnic cleansing can be understood as the expulsion of a population from a given territory

Terry Martin has defined ethnic cleansing as "the forcible removal of an ethnically defined population from a given territory" and as "occupying the central part of a continuum between genocide on one end and nonviolent pressured ethnic emigration on the other end.

The Final Report of the Commission of Experts established pursuant to Security Council Resolution 780 defined ethnic cleansing as "a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas."

[Kaafiye]

Can you tell me where we said on this thread that we look down on Blacks? No one's talking about that, and I really don't think that. So stop with the nonsense.

Kaafiye sxb , lets be honest here , you guys are proposing for the deportation of at least 1 million ppl from their homes to another foreign land simply because of their ethnicity. That's worst than looking down on them , that is ethnic cleansing , and to make it worse on your part these Bantus are Muslim and have been Muslims for centuries and you are advocating for them to be ethnically cleansed.


What's makes you different from Saciid Ayaanleh who you accuse of being non-muslim because he supports gays and disagrees with you on slavery , but here you are being racist which is haram and a sin in Allahs eyes , and you are discriminating against fellow Muslims which also haram.

Hypocrisy is not healthy sxb ilaahay ka baq.




Here are some of the definitions of ethnic cleansing.

[E]thnic cleansing [...] defies easy definition. At one end it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population exchange while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. At the most general level, however, ethnic cleansing can be understood as the expulsion of a population from a given territory

Terry Martin has defined ethnic cleansing as "the forcible removal of an ethnically defined population from a given territory" and as "occupying the central part of a continuum between genocide on one end and nonviolent pressured ethnic emigration on the other end.

The Final Report of the Commission of Experts established pursuant to Security Council Resolution 780 defined ethnic cleansing as "a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas."

Alpharabius,

I do not want it to ever reach a point where people are forced to leave their homes and settle elsewhere by the point of a gun. But at the same time, I don't want Somalia to have an open-doors policy where any ethnic group can just enter Somalia and settle wherever they please. If mass numbers of Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Europeans, or anyone else were to settle in Somalia---thereby changing the overall ethnic makeup of the country, then almost everyone on this forum would agree that this is a problem. Yet people here suddenly want to turn a blind eye if we have large numbers of foreigners from southern Africa settling all over the country. That's not compassion, that's simply putting the interests of others before your own interests. And then we want to add insult to injury and call them "Somali" when it's clear to anyone that they are DEFINITELY not Somali.

Somalis have this horrible tendency to put the interests of others before their own interests. Whether it's sucking up to the Arabs, or the Italians, or the Habashis, or the Kenyans, or anyone else.....Somalis willfully ignore their own interests/values and put others before them. And I refuse to stand for that. Now, I don't advocate that we harm anyone. I'm just proposing a reasonable solution to this serious problem. Creating a Somali Federal Province in which the Bantus can live and have full control of could be a worthy compromise that pleases both parties. They would still be Somali citizens, but they wouldn't be moving into every single Somali district and displacing the ethnic Somalis from their own homeland, where they live amongst their own kin. The Bantus hold onto territory that's larger than 1/3 of the entire African landmass, larger than the entire area of China or the United States. They hold onto AT LEAST 10 million square kilometers of territory, more than anyone else in Africa. They have enough land as it is. Why on Earth are we going to allow ourselves to be swallowed up by a much larger group of people, and for what? Can anyone even name one benefit in allowing such a thing to occur?

And second of all, the Tanzanian and Mozambican governments BOTH offered to resettle and accommodate them if they so choose to return there. They would be given automatic citizenship, as well as plots of farmland and financial assistance if they were to return there. If they were to all take the Tanzanian government up on it's offer and migrate there and be given citizenship there...would that amount to ethnic cleansing? And why is it so bad to advocate for single ethnic states? Why can't the Somalis have a state in which they are in full control of? A state where they comprise at least 80-90% of the overall population?

[SolidCamel]

I think what Kaafiye is saying is not to force them out, but to create incentive for them to migrate to Bantu lands. Basically facilitating their relocation in as gracious manner possible.

The problem is there needs to be regional stability before something like this can take place, and Somalia is nowhere near that. Sadly in the meantime they'll continue to grow in numbers. It's a tough situation.

[Machiavelli2]

I think what Kaafiye is saying is not to force them out, but to create incentive for them to migrate to Bantu lands. Basically facilitating their relocation in as gracious manner possible.

The problem is there needs to be regional stability before something like this can take place, and Somalia is nowhere near that. Sadly in the meantime they'll continue to grow in numbers. It's a tough situation.

Why relocate Somali Muslims who live in their homeland with other Somalis who are tolerant & love to coexist with them. It is not Mudug and Kaafiye should concentrate how to develop and make Mudug a shared, peaceful and prosperous region by all who live there. He shouldn't be concerned about the Bantu Somalis at all because we Somalis from Jubbooyinka consider them as our Somali brothers and sisters. May Allah SWT bless our Somali Bantu brothers and sisters, forgive us what we have done to them and increase their patience towards us for the evil design some of us carry towards them. Aamiin.

[Alpharabius]

Alpharabius,

I do not want it to ever reach a point where people are forced to leave their homes and settle elsewhere by the point of a gun. But at the same time, I don't want Somalia to have an open-doors policy where any ethnic group can just enter Somalia and settle wherever they please.

Do you really think that they will just leave Somalia and pack their bags to a land they've never known , without the slightest protest ?. "peacefully" deporting thousands of people from a land they have called home for generations will only happen if force is applied and a lot blood is spilled. Farms , businesses and homes are at stake here , a peaceful solution is not a realistic one , and trying to contain them in their own state so they dont spread is akin to what the Nazis did to the Jews in Warsaw and what Israelis are doing to Palestinians , it is unacceptable from a Human and Islamic perspective .

Ironically you are probably anti Israel for the fact that they are doing that to Muslim Palestinians , yet you are reserving that kind of treatment towards BantuS who are also MUSLIM . can you see the absurdity here

If mass numbers of Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Europeans, or anyone else were to settle in Somalia---thereby changing the overall ethnic makeup of the country, then almost everyone on this forum would agree that this is a problem. Yet people here suddenly want to turn a blind eye if we have large numbers of foreigners from southern Africa settling all over the country. That's not compassion, that's simply putting the interests of others before your own interests. And then we want to add insult to injury and call them "Somali" when it's clear to anyone that they are DEFINITELY not Somali.

I agree with you when it comes to immigrants from other nations , i personally don't want to see Somalis becoming a minority in Somalia , but there's a difference between pre independence Somalia immigrants/captives and post independence ones , i will support the deportation of any non ethnic Somali who migrated to Somalia post 1960 , but if the said persons parents and grand parents lived in Somalia before that time they should have a right to full citizenship.

The the majority of bantus in Somalia have been there since at least the 18th century and were brought to Somalia as captives , they have no real connections to the nations they were abducted from and are pretty much assimilated into Somali culture and see themselves as part of Somalia , to deport them would be nothing short of cruelty. You have got to over look your Somali pride and see them for what they are HUMAN BEINGS like you , not just BANTU. Imagine you being in their position and having to leave a land in which you have so many memories , a land you have a deep connection with ?. Just imagining it would make you sad.

I always see you defending Islamic morals passionately , well i think you should put them to practice and show some compassion towards your fellow Muslims and Humans beings , and just let them live peacefully side by side with their fellow countrymen and focus on how we can unite the people of Somalia instead of further dividing them.

Khayr baan kugu duceynaya

[Machiavelli2]

Alpha

Ina Adeer you articulated so well the argument we were trying to put accross to our cousins. As a 4th generation of Lower Jubba born from a great ancestor who migrated from Qardho, I consider Bantu Somalis as my brothers and sisters. Hear their heart breaking stories how as defenceless people, they were oppressed and treated during the civil war. These are Muslim Somalis and now, they are suggesting to be deported to where?

[SaciidAyanleh]

Farms , businesses and homes are at stake here , a peaceful solution is not a realistic one , and trying to contain them in their own state so they dont spread is akin to what the Nazis did to the Jews in Warsaw and what Israelis are doing to Palestinians , it is unacceptable from a Human and Islamic perspective .

Ironically you are probably anti Israel for the fact that they are doing that to Muslim Palestinians , yet you are reserving that kind of treatment towards BantuS who are also MUSLIM . can you see the absurdity here

expect no reply to this excellent point, Kaafiye got ethered and will now duck you for the forseable future

[Itrah]

Why relocate Somali Muslims who live in their homeland with other Somalis who are tolerant & love to coexist with them. It is not Mudug and Kaafiye should concentrate how to develop and make Mudug a shared, peaceful and prosperous region by all who live there. He shouldn't be concerned about the Bantu Somalis at all because we Somalis from Jubbooyinka consider them as our Somali brothers and sisters. May Allah SWT bless our Somali Bantu brothers and sisters, forgive us what we have done to them and increase their patience towards us for the evil design some of us carry towards them. Aamiin.

^^ Look at this verbal garbage.

Listen, they are not Somali. They are Bantu and their homeland is Central Africa. They have no ancient connection to the Horn of Africa whatsoever and are only here because a bunch of retarded Arabs kidnapped them from Tanzania, Zambia, and Malawi and dumped them on Somali soil. Moreover, they are genetically closer to any random Nigerian than to you.

But hey, fuck logic.

[Kaafiye]

I think what Kaafiye is saying is not to force them out, but to create incentive for them to migrate to Bantu lands. Basically facilitating their relocation in as gracious manner possible.

The problem is there needs to be regional stability before something like this can take place, and Somalia is nowhere near that. Sadly in the meantime they'll continue to grow in numbers. It's a tough situation.

Why relocate Somali Muslims who live in their homeland with other Somalis who are tolerant & love to coexist with them. It is not Mudug and Kaafiye should concentrate how to develop and make Mudug a shared, peaceful and prosperous region by all who live there. He shouldn't be concerned about the Bantu Somalis at all because we Somalis from Jubbooyinka consider them as our Somali brothers and sisters. May Allah SWT bless our Somali Bantu brothers and sisters, forgive us what we have done to them and increase their patience towards us for the evil design some of us carry towards them. Aamiin.

SolidCamel, that's exactly what I'm saying. Create incentives for them to migrate to their homelands (for the more recent arrivals), and also create a regional federal state for them in Somalia proper (for the earliest arrivals). If the Somalis in Jubbooyinka want to help them create their own regional states, then that's up to them. Do it in as gracious a manner as possible. If India/Ethiopia can create regional states based on ethnicity, then how is it racist if Somalis do the same?

[Kaafiye]

Alpharabius,

I do not want it to ever reach a point where people are forced to leave their homes and settle elsewhere by the point of a gun. But at the same time, I don't want Somalia to have an open-doors policy where any ethnic group can just enter Somalia and settle wherever they please.

Do you really think that they will just leave Somalia and pack their bags to a land they've never known , without the slightest protest ?. "peacefully" deporting thousands of people from a land they have called home for generations will only happen if force is applied and a lot blood is spilled. Farms , businesses and homes are at stake here , a peaceful solution is not a realistic one , and trying to contain them in their own state so they dont spread is akin to what the Nazis did to the Jews in Warsaw and what Israelis are doing to Palestinians , it is unacceptable from a Human and Islamic perspective .

Ironically you are probably anti Israel for the fact that they are doing that to Muslim Palestinians , yet you are reserving that kind of treatment towards BantuS who are also MUSLIM . can you see the absurdity here

If mass numbers of Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Europeans, or anyone else were to settle in Somalia---thereby changing the overall ethnic makeup of the country, then almost everyone on this forum would agree that this is a problem. Yet people here suddenly want to turn a blind eye if we have large numbers of foreigners from southern Africa settling all over the country. That's not compassion, that's simply putting the interests of others before your own interests. And then we want to add insult to injury and call them "Somali" when it's clear to anyone that they are DEFINITELY not Somali.

I agree with you when it comes to immigrants from other nations , i personally don't want to see Somalis becoming a minority in Somalia , but there's a difference between pre independence Somalia immigrants/captives and post independence ones , i will support the deportation of any non ethnic Somali who migrated to Somalia post 1960 , but if the said persons parents and grand parents lived in Somalia before that time they should have a right to full citizenship.

The the majority of bantus in Somalia have been there since at least the 18th century and were brought to Somalia as captives , they have no real connections to the nations they were abducted from and are pretty much assimilated into Somali culture and see themselves as part of Somalia , to deport them would be nothing short of cruelty. You have got to over look your Somali pride and see them for what they are HUMAN BEINGS like you , not just BANTU. Imagine you being in their position and having to leave a land in which you have so many memories , a land you have a deep connection with ?. Just imagining it would make you sad.

I always see you defending Islamic morals passionately , well i think you should put them to practice and show some compassion towards your fellow Muslims and Humans beings , and just let them live peacefully side by side with their fellow countrymen and focus on how we can unite the people of Somalia instead of further dividing them.

Khayr baan kugu duceynaya

Why do you distinguish between pre-1960 arrivals and post-1960 arrivals? And why did you set that date---is it because that's when the Italians "gave" us back our independence? Look, Somali history doesn't just start in the 20th century, and we've existed for hundreds of generations as a homogeneous group long before the Italians ever set foot in Somalia. So why would you want to undermine that?

And I've said in the previous post before that there already exists incentive programs to have them move to those countries. Tanzania already offered farmland, citizenship and free education to any of them who wish to migrate back there. And thousands of them have already done so. And Somalis could easily create a separate federal state in the South for Bantus in the same way that Ethiopian states are dominated by certain ethnic groups. That's a very reasonable solution that could appeal to both sides. And you have no right to compare it to what's happening in Israel or what happened in Warsaw. What I'm favoring ALREADY EXISTS in countries like India and Ethiopia, and nobody ever tries to argue that these policies are even comparable to what's going on in Israel. It's not like the Bantus are a tiny minority. They're a pretty sizeable chunk of the population in Somalia, larger than many Somali qabiils so there's no possible way we can ignore this. Either we set up a structure to accommodate their large size, or we don't. And then we would have to let our grandchildren deal with the long-term consequences in the future. I'm pro-social cohesion. I'm pro-diversity in that I want separate ethnic groups to hold onto their identity/culture, without having one ethnic group completely absorb another one. There's nothing hateful about saying that.

[Alpharabius]

Why do you distinguish between pre-1960 arrivals and post-1960 arrivals? And why did you set that date---is it because that's when the Italians "gave" us back our independence? Look, Somali history doesn't just start in the 20th century, and we've existed for hundreds of generations as a homogeneous group long before the Italians ever set foot in Somalia. So why would you want to undermine that?

The reason i chose 1960 is because that's when the country Somalia was formed , anyone who was living in the land that would become Somalia for many generations has a right to become a citizen of that country regardless of ethnic make up (excluding colonialists) , anyone who came after 1960 obviously has no connection to pre independence "Somalia" and therefore has no right to become a citizen.

And I've said in the previous post before that there already exists incentive programs to have them move to those countries. Tanzania already offered farmland, citizenship and free education to any of them who wish to migrate back there. And thousands of them have already done so. And Somalis could easily create a separate federal state in the South for Bantus in the same way that Ethiopian states are dominated by certain ethnic groups. That's a very reasonable solution that could appeal to both sides. And you have no right to compare it to what's happening in Israel or what happened in Warsaw. What I'm favoring ALREADY EXISTS in countries like India and Ethiopia, and nobody ever tries to argue that these policies are even comparable to what's going on in Israel.

What you're proposing is nothing like a federal state , Ethiopia annexed Somali territory to expand it's Empire and to benefit from its resources , what you said is that you want to make a state for them solely for the reason of containing their spread and confining them to that region , that is apartheid and is exactly what Israel is doing , no matter what fancy words you use to describe it , they are identical in both theory and practice.


I had respect for you man , you seemed like a good guy who cared about his deen and the well being of Muslims, but by calling for MUSLIMS to be deported and separated from other Muslims , you have lost all credibility and respect. Your fervent opposition to un Islamic behavior and practices was very convincing , but now it seems all that was driven by ego instead of a pure heart. your apparent piousness was just an affectation.

[Kaafiye]

Why do you distinguish between pre-1960 arrivals and post-1960 arrivals? And why did you set that date---is it because that's when the Italians "gave" us back our independence? Look, Somali history doesn't just start in the 20th century, and we've existed for hundreds of generations as a homogeneous group long before the Italians ever set foot in Somalia. So why would you want to undermine that?

The reason i chose 1960 is because that's when the country Somalia was formed , anyone who was living in the land that would become Somalia for many generations has a right to become a citizen of that country regardless of ethnic make up (excluding colonialists) , anyone who came after 1960 obviously has no connection to pre independence "Somalia" and therefore has no right to become a citizen.

And I've said in the previous post before that there already exists incentive programs to have them move to those countries. Tanzania already offered farmland, citizenship and free education to any of them who wish to migrate back there. And thousands of them have already done so. And Somalis could easily create a separate federal state in the South for Bantus in the same way that Ethiopian states are dominated by certain ethnic groups. That's a very reasonable solution that could appeal to both sides. And you have no right to compare it to what's happening in Israel or what happened in Warsaw. What I'm favoring ALREADY EXISTS in countries like India and Ethiopia, and nobody ever tries to argue that these policies are even comparable to what's going on in Israel.

What you're proposing is nothing like a federal state , Ethiopia annexed Somali territory to expand it's Empire and to benefit from its resources , what you said is that you want to make a state for them solely for the reason of containing their spread and confining them to that region , that is apartheid and is exactly what Israel is doing , no matter what fancy words you use to describe it , they are identical in both theory and practice.


I had respect for you man , you seemed like a good guy who cared about his deen and the well being of Muslims, but by calling for MUSLIMS to be deported and separated from other Muslims , you have lost all credibility and respect. Your fervent opposition to un Islamic behavior and practices was very convincing , but now it seems all that was driven by ego instead of a pure heart. your apparent piousness was just an affectation.

You yourself just said that you would deport migrants who arrived in Somalia after 1960, regardless of whether they are Muslim or not. So you have the exact same mentality that you're accusing me of having. So you're an absolute hypocrite that's infected with an undeserved sense of righteousness. At least I'm honest. At least what I propose is much more mild; creating a federal state for these Bantu minorities (who will very easily from 10% of the entire population in a few years). If other countries can experiment with this policy, and it be successful...then so can Somalia.

Ethiopia has an Oromo State, an Amhara State, a Tigray State and even an Afar State.

India has a state for the Punjabis, a state for the Tamils, a state for the Telugu people, and a state for dozens of other ethnic minorities (with no single ethnic group constituting a majority of the country). It's a complete success in India and the Indians wouldn't have it any other way.

And don't insult people's intelligence by equating ethnic federalism to what's going on in Israel. It's not gonna work. Stop with your idealistic moralizing and look at the world as it is, not as what you would like it to be. And don't claim that just because of a disagreement you have with me, it must be due to a defect in my character. I'm very consistent in how I post.

[Alpharabius]

Ethiopia has an Oromo State, an Amhara State, a Tigray State and even an Afar State.

India has a state for the Punjabis, a state for the Tamils, a state for the Telugu people, and a state for dozens of other ethnic minorities (with no single ethnic group constituting a majority of the country). It's a complete success in India and the Indians wouldn't have it any other way.

And don't insult people's intelligence by equating ethnic federalism to what's going on in Israel. It's not gonna work. Stop with your idealistic moralizing and look at the world as it is, not as what you would like it to be. And don't claim that just because of a disagreement you have with me, it must be due to a defect in my character. I'm very consistent in how I post.

My disagreemnet with your idea of "ethnic federalism" comes down to it's purpose and function , which you and many others have stated in this thread , which is to limit Bantus to a certain geographic position. Ethnic federalism is giving Autonomy to states and decentralizing power so as to bring stability and prosperity to the country , as well as being more representative and democratic than a centarlized government. I'm all for that but a second gaza strip , which is what you are selling us , is not what i have in mind.

You yourself just said that you would deport migrants who arrived in Somalia after 1960, regardless of whether they are Muslim or not. So you have the exact same mentality that you're accusing me of having. So you're an absolute hypocrite that's infected with an undeserved sense of righteousness. At least I'm honest. At least what I propose is much more mild; creating a federal state for these Bantu minorities (who will very easily from 10% of the entire population in a few years). If other countries can experiment with this policy, and it be successful...then so can Somalia.

The difference between my stance on deporting people and your one is very clear for everyone to see , i support the deportation of migrants from Somalia on the assumption they have a country to go back to , and that they were people who willingly came to Somalia and have only been here a few decades and whos population is neglible , you on the other hand want to deport 1 million + people who are Somali nationals by law , because you deem them racially inferior .

Can you see the difference here ? one is migrant control while the other is ethinc cleanisng at it's finest.

Every one is to some degree a hypocrite , but others surpass the limits of hypocrisy. I have never called anyone a KAFIR on this forum because they disagreed with me on Islamic principles. You Kaafiye have exhausted the word on countless threads , condemning anyone who shows a slight bit of unorthodoxy , but here you are spewing genocidal rhetoric against MUSLIMS , something i have never done and hopefully never will , but like you i wont stoop that low and call you a kafir . I'm just going to point out your hypocrisy in the hope that you'll change.


I'm done with this debate , habeen wanaagsan

[Kaafiye]

1. I've never once deemed them to be racially inferior at all, so stop f-king claiming that I am. I've said it over and over again that I see no difference in our abilities.

2. You've yet to prove that assimilating an entire ethnic group into Somali culture is somehow more "compassionate" than separating them? You look all over the world and you'll see different ethnic groups asserting themselves and wanting separation. But yet somehow it's a problem if I advocate for ethnic federal states in Somalia? Again, you're setting yourself as being the one who's opinion is the most righteous one, with no proof on your part. You think it's okay for Somalis to completely sacrifice their long-term interests of actually surviving as a distinct ethnic group, just to appease your beliefs. What I hope for is at least a solution that harms no one, and could please both parties. But no, you'd rather treat them like children and assume what's best for them. At least in a country like India, the ethnic groups can share a country but live in their own provinces. But you'd rather be a dishonest hypocrite and claim that I'm selling a "second Gaza strip".

3. I have never in my life called someone a kafir for merely disagreeing with me on Islamic principles. Never in my life, and if you think so....then bring proof. There's plenty of room for disagreement in Islam, but one thing that's not allowed is for someone to deny entire portions of the Quran, and then label themselves a "Muslim". That is f-king unacceptable and is by definition kufr. One can disobey the Quran, and we've all done that before. But to deny the Quran's validity and you've crossed the boundaries. But somehow these basic Islamic principles were lost on you. This is basic stuff that I knew since I was like 10, yet somehow you find it difficult to understand as an adult. SMFH



Yeah I'm done with this too. Goodnight.

[gedo_gurl]

I bet all the people who support Jareer federal state do so because its not an issue for them in their state. Its all when and good being pro this and that when you don't have to live with the consequences. They murdered and looted with the worst of them, why are we turning them into martyrs? Who on earth is ever as great as you people make the Jareer out to be? They slander Somalis all the time, hate us like we're Al Crackers despite many of not even knowing they were slaves (we never call them addoon, just Jareer). We were nomads or farmers who built our own huts....who were the slave keepers? Non Somalis mainly...and the Italians treated them like shit, using them as human bridges, if anyone owes them its the Italians...they were the ones who brought racial inferiority into the picture too.... + Arabs who continued slavery until the 60's and still keep people as slaves ILLEGALLY in their region. Jareer are not our problem, they hate us, they should fuck off.....the rest of us have no other place to call home....in 100 years they'll still speak in Zigua and start bringing their Tanzanian husbands in, we'll be swamped and they take over the farmlands swiftly. I met a 'Somali Jareer' in Tanzania (mixed 1/8th Somali, the rest Tanzanian) she identified as Somali Jareer....where does it end?

We need to respect each other....us regular Somalis who have the same culture and language...when we love and respect each other as citizens of Somalia, we'll can talk about the people who want even the name of the country changed because it doesn't suit them...cheeky gits.