My 23andme results and my in depth research of qabiil trends in DNA

[Sahibzada]

Why is this guy yapping about some fairytale

I'm going to bring out authentic sources kulaha

[Thanatophiliac]

Another question. On the 23andme forums there are two Habr Awal who scored T. One Ciise Muse and one Sacad Muse. Although, many of the other Habar Awal were quick to defame them and actually accused them of compromising the situation of the Habr Awal. A quite funny read

What are your views?

[Thanatophiliac]

Like Jabuutawi said

"Ya'll are one confusing clan. I'm out!"

[Sahibzada]

It's a load of bs from your part just like your Bareento lie......

Now drop the str results langaabyahow

[HQ1969]

how do you guys see people you're matched with on 23andme? i've only seen a forum on there and there wasn't much activity on it.

[Thanatophiliac]

HQ
Go to your DNA relatives. Then you'll see almost everyone your related to (allbeit) autosomally.
The forums are pretty much dead. But dig up the older threads.

[HQ1969]

HQ
Go to your DNA relatives. Then you'll see almost everyone your related to (allbeit) autosomally.
The forums are pretty much dead. But dig up the older threads.

thanks sxb.

[AwRastaale]

I believe we out did this topic and we need to move on. I have no problem with Dir especially Samaroon because they share a state with us, where we are majority. We should not alienate nor torment them in any way.

I understand Sacad Muse and them have some territorial rivalry and I leave that as a domestic issue, which is no different than the ones that exist all the reero inside SL including amongst Isaaq family.

In such I welcome Thanetophillac and hope to see his contributions.

However the foreign Dir such as the Issa warabe vampires (sharpened teeth) and the homeless Surre who hold no single village next to their name is another story. My long shabuug (leash) will not spare them.

T or E exists amongst all humanity across every continent. It exists amongst all Somali nomads. It means nothing.

Dir should have more sex than look for numbers in the name of T, Jaarso, Guurgura, Akisho, Garre, Isaaq and all the other methods they apply and well known thought out the Horn.

Garhajis is the guardian of Isaaq and is no Sultanate for over 300-400 years for no reason. We have to bounce and protect the family and our interests. We are named Garhajis meaning the ones who upholds justice and that means as the original judge family, we dismiss the Dir case and bid to pin themselves with the Chief of Justice family. It's not something settled on some website called 23andMe.

The Judge advices Dir to have sex more often in order to boost numbers.

You are not getting free pass from me. Two months ago the Issa vampire didn't even know what Garhajis was and today he is cheering for them alla hayeey Habar T


The Ras

[AwRastaale]

Whose logo/branding is that?

[Xaldoon]

Awrastaale your Garxajis clan is as as special as the Mirifle Eelay clan in Bay&Bakool

You yourself admit that you do not believe the mythical arab fairytales yet you distance yourself from your Dir blood brothers. Rejoin the Dir and embrace the Irir Somalinimo you confused little boy

[FarhanYare]

maxaa laga rabaa tolka suure

[AwRastaale]

Awrastaale your Garxajis clan is as as special as the Mirifle Eelay clan in Bay&Bakool

You yourself admit that you do not believe the mythical arab fairytales yet you distance yourself from your Dir blood brothers. Rejoin the Dir and embrace the Irir Somalinimo you confused little boy

Rahanwein are people I greatly respect. Everyone knows that I advocate for SL to have relations with.

Fantastic people.

Having said that I also believe all Somalis are one family from the same father. Unlike some of you I do not believe Isaaq is closer to Dir than Darood or Hawiye.

You don't need to be ilko fiiq Dir to be Samaale.

So let's agree to disagree and close this chapter.

No hard feelings Reer Shoppers.

Farhan,

My bad that I had to karbaash the Surre gypsies. I know HG give them shelter in Mudug at times since they are homeless drifters.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

The Aw- Amxaaro bitch discovered he aint a Bani Hashim, Arab or Somali but most likely a Gypsy from the raw eating race, hence his name and worship of the Galla, Amxaaro and Tigre masters. He just mad at anyone who points it out.

[zumaale]

Zumaale,

You can not have your cake and eat it, on one hand you object to my 'myth' of Isaaq and with the same breath you use the Darod 'myth' of Arab mothering Dhulos. If you do not accept any myth then do not use one as part of your argument.

If we put all 'myth' aside, the only concrete history we have is abstisi, there is absolutely no logic to the son of Harti or Ogaden (some Harti and Ogaden count 30 names to Harti and 27 names to Ogaden respectively) marrying the daughter of Arab Sh. Isaxaaq (some Arab count 17 names to Arab Isaxaaq) they did not walk this earth within the same century! If Isaaq himself is younger than Harti and Ogaden, how can his granddaughter birth Dhulbahante and Ogaden? You are dead wrong mate.

Isaaq is most certainly the youngest clan. Compare their abtirsi (most count 17-20 few go up to 21-22 range) to other clans.

My analogy with reer Door is absolutely valid. I am not discussing their origin, we were talking about alliance, to which you said there can only be 'adoption' nor 'confederation':

What do you mean by alliance? There is no such thing as an alliance between two clans. It is either a culture of adoption (Sheegad) or confederation (Raxanweyn).

Reer Door are neither outright adopted by HJ (like Ciise do) nor formed a confederation (like Raxanweyn), what they did is they created an alliance where reer Dood maintain their separate identity as outsiders yet still fall under the HJ umbrella. Which is what happened between Dir and Isaaq. Think of it as reer Dood today growing in numbers and moving out of that alliance.

You can not claim to be the natives of the land, Isaaq and Darood are as native to this land as you are, in fact I can even go on a limb and say you might be the newcomer based on DNA.

Muse Biixi never claimed Dir is what I was saying, until we can see proof the man claimed Dir I would ease off such claims. What you must understand is that the vast majority of Isaaq, virtually anyone who is not a politician would smack you if you claimed they were Dir. Political maneuverings aside, they are all content with identifying as Isaaq. You will see some like Cigaal or my cousin the Yusuf on here going on about Dir, but it is all politicking, nothing more. This is not to say they harbour any resentment towards Dir, they dont.

As for Buurmadow, you do not need to link me to a wordpress blog, I am telling you he never went as a Dir rep but as a representative of his beel. You can lookup any video of him talking about it, he got the call from Tripoli in his home in Hargeisa, and went as a representative of Isaaq rather than Dir.

My rejection of the youngest clan myth was not only based on Arab's daughter giving birth to Dhulbahante and Ogaden but also on the the fact that the Bani Hashim that you have recycled to exclude the Arab ancestry part, still claims that the Dir clan sheltered your supposed ancestor and he married a great great granddaughter of Dir. That claim is made unilaterally and not supported by the 'host' clan or any other Samaale/Darood clan. They all state that Isaaq is a subclan of Dir.

Furthermore, how can you dismiss the Darood claims about their maternal Arab grandmother without dismissing the claim that the daughter of Garxajis Mandalug Dir gave birth to Ismaacil's son? Similarly, if the Isaaq is a newcomer to the Somali ethnic group, how could a granddaughter of Geri Kombe father Care Siciid? The way clans clans are maternally linked does not support such a claim. Now, who is having their cake and eating it?

Can I ask how you have come to the conclusion that you were in an alliance with us and where did you obtain this new narrative from? The entire idea that Isaaq were in some sort of alliance with Dir is based on what historical narrative considering that it appears to be a rehash of the Bani Hashim myth? Furthermore, where do you come from if you are not Bani Hashim and not Samaale or Darood either? Are you like the Sheekhal, Ugayslabe and Reer Dood?

Abtirsi is not a full proof method of determining who the youngest clan is because it can be subject to falsification, Arabisation, skipping of generations or the disparity between clans can be caused by how landheer a subclan becomes due to successful breeding.

In regard to my claim to being native Somalis/Samaales, that was never in doubt. Entire clans attempt to fit it into the Somali ethnic identity by trying to link themselves with Dir. We and the other Samaales are the prototype Somalis and not one Somali clan disputes this. The archaic Somali Xeer system is called Xeer Aji; Aji being the father of Dir. Even if the Dir genetic marker turns out to be HG-T, it does not make a difference because the Samaale confederation was formed in the last two millenniums and my HG-T ancestor was already established in the Horn by that time as the Danish paper speculates.

In regard to your claim that I would be smacked if I told any Isaaq that they are Dir, I don't think I would have had much teeth left if that was the case. Starting with my own Reer Apti, I have observed a trend whereby the Dir identification is more common place among the older generation. I have relatives or in-laws from all the three Big Habars, so I ain't talking out of my ass. Even on Somalinet, Yusuf ain't the only one, it is just that he is the most vocal one along with Jalaluddin. Are you telling me that Jala and the following Niggas in this thread are identifying with Dir for political reasons too? You do not know for a fact if Cigaal identified with Dir for political reasons, the only thing that can be taken as fact is that he claimed to be Dir.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=365452

Ask Xildiid about Boqor Burmadoow if you do not believe me.

[zumaale]

AwRastaale

Whose your daddy?