How come there is no archaeological evidence of Prophet Sulaiman?

[WiredForGood]

"Allah said this and Allah said that (an unseen and unheard being whose supposed prophesies never materialized)"
"Hmm! And how do we know that to be true"
"It says in the Koran"

Yeah, right.

You genius, I have finished the Koran several times, from my childhood, up until recently. In fact, it's after I read the tafsiir of the Koran when I realized how full of bullocks it's. Keep telling yourself lies if it makes you sleep better at night. I know deep down you're well aware of all the contradictions and inaccuracies in your holy book, but it's scary to face such a reality and accept that the Koran has nothing original, let alone scientific, in it after believing in it all your life, cuz I have been there myself.

You can't disagree with the logical answers given to your questions in your earlier post. You asked the questions because you assumed wrongly Islam has no answer for them. But Islam always did. Simply, you are deflecting the obvious out-come of our exchange. Recheck your questions and reread the answers.

- God did not neglect mankind and instead sent prophets to inform them of their destiny. There is no neglect and set up so humans can be punished.
- Differences are man made due to a number of reasons. Pick the one you favor.
- God is a human obsession because that is how they are created. With an instinct to believe in a higher power, they would worship God or idols they set up as Gods.
- God is merciful and you are the evidence of him being forgiving. You are not paying for your ignorance immediately
- God gave you the free will to do as you please and you are exercising that as we write this


The rest of what you said in this post are not true. I got a better understanding of Islam when I came to the Us. I had to answer questions like the ones you posed and had to justify my beliefs to myself and to others by extension. You assume everyone is Muslim because they are ignorant of what Islam is. You neglect to acknowledge people have convictions and opportunities to live as they see fit in the West. Yet, almost all of them remain fundamentally believing in God and remain Muslim.

I know deep down you found my replies challenging to your ignorance.


And lastly, Epicurus exercised his freewill to question God as I exercise my freewill to accept God as my creator. Where Epicurus gave up on his responsibility for his actions and sought to blame God, I take responsibility for my actions and what I do through my choices in life. That is the difference between someone who abdicates their responsibility and one who accepts their role in what they do.

If I lie to you, I chose to do so for some reason, God has nothing to do with it. If I killed someone, it had to happen through my thought process and translated that into action. It would be my fault. God has nothing to do with it.; That is what you folks who self worship like to claim, that evil actions are by God and humans are not responsible. How is that logical? Secular governments punish offenders because they accept human responsibility for people's behavior and actions that result in negative outcome for society. And still, with that fact, you are here debating lack of man's role and responsibility for their actions.

[Basra-]

"Allah said this and Allah said that (an unseen and unheard being whose supposed prophesies never materialized)"
"Hmm! And how do we know that to be true"
"It says in the Koran"

Yeah, right.

You genius, I have finished the Koran several times, from my childhood, up until recently. In fact, it's after I read the tafsiir of the Koran when I realized how full of bullocks it's. Keep telling yourself lies if it makes you sleep better at night. I know deep down you're well aware of all the contradictions and inaccuracies in your holy book, but it's scary to face such a reality and accept that the Koran has nothing original, let alone scientific, in it after believing in it all your life, cuz I have been there myself.

Twist u expect us to believe u have finished reading Quran? Besides No one who has finished Quran or even ever read will call Quran as "Koran" Right there buddy-- u have failed miserably!

[paperino]

And what do you call that? Is that your other account?

And by the way, what has what I said or didn't say about Somalis and whether I avoid them or not has anything to do with the topic at hand? That desperate to muddy my e-character in the hope of disqualifying my arguments? Falaadhi gil-gilasho kaagama harto.

theologian didn't insult your mom/grandma; it's below the belt to go after them, which you frequently do when you lose your fragile temper. In a previous comment, you asked to link one of the threads about avoiding Somalis, but now you've second thoughts. I'm not after character assassination or muddying your 'e-character.' Anyway, a preliminary search has netted one of the comments I was referring to:

Back several years ago Somalis here, despite their small numbers, decided to divide themselves alongside tribal groups (after many years of having one Somali community), so I really don't interact with Somalis lately. The last I knew they were just a few hundred members, most of them families, since they tend to move to Melbourne after a while. Every now and then I see new faces when I go to a shopping mall they frequent a lot, which I avoid like the plague, unless I have to. lol

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... i#p4810887

[theologain]

How the hell do you know about my real life and whether I avoid Somalis or not? Just cuz you've made an assumption yesterday and I let it go, so that must be the case, is it? War dadkan maxaa ka si ah!

I avoided religion topics because most of the members here are Muslims, and it would only result in arguments and going back and forth, since we don't see eye to eye on the said subject. Also, the site is almost dead and most of the folks I have been e-buddies with hardly ever visit the site. And most importantly, I talked about my atheism years ago right here, so it isn't like I have to restate the obvious every other day. And if I did, the lot of you would have cried and told me "If you left Islam, why don't you move on with your life and stop telling us about atheism" etc. Arrinku waa "Haddaanu hadallo waa af sallax ku dhegayagii. Haddaanu aamusnana adhiga laynta laga deyn maayo". Meel idin roon ma jirto, malaha.

Ya Mutti be quiet, In Somalispot you talk about Religious topics and Oppress Muslims too. Somalispot is scared of me and are banning new members because of Me.

You numb-nut, I am not even on Somalispot. Hop off my nuts, ayeydaadii tuurta lahayd dhakada ka wase.

Don't Fuck around with me you Atheist Fuck.

[Twist]

"Allah said this and Allah said that (an unseen and unheard being whose supposed prophesies never materialized)"
"Hmm! And how do we know that to be true"
"It says in the Koran"

Yeah, right.

You genius, I have finished the Koran several times, from my childhood, up until recently. In fact, it's after I read the tafsiir of the Koran when I realized how full of bullocks it's. Keep telling yourself lies if it makes you sleep better at night. I know deep down you're well aware of all the contradictions and inaccuracies in your holy book, but it's scary to face such a reality and accept that the Koran has nothing original, let alone scientific, in it after believing in it all your life, cuz I have been there myself.

You can't disagree with the logical answers given to your questions in your earlier post. You asked the questions because you assumed wrongly Islam has no answer for them. But Islam always did. Simply, you are deflecting the obvious out-come of our exchange. Recheck your questions and reread the answers.

- God did not neglect mankind and instead sent prophets to inform them of their destiny. There is no neglect and set up so humans can be punished.
- Differences are man made due to a number of reasons. Pick the one you favor.
- God is a human obsession because that is how they are created. With an instinct to believe in a higher power, they would worship God or idols they set up as Gods.
- God is merciful and you are the evidence of him being forgiving. You are not paying for your ignorance immediately
- God gave you the free will to do as you please and you are exercising that as we write this


The rest of what you said in this post are not true. I got a better understanding of Islam when I came to the Us. I had to answer questions like the ones you posed and had to justify my beliefs to myself and to others by extension. You assume everyone is Muslim because they are ignorant of what Islam is. You neglect to acknowledge people have convictions and opportunities to live as they see fit in the West. Yet, almost all of them remain fundamentally believing in God and remain Muslim.

I know deep down you found my replies challenging to your ignorance.


And lastly, Epicurus exercised his freewill to question God as I exercise my freewill to accept God as my creator. Where Epicurus gave up on his responsibility for his actions and sought to blame God, I take responsibility for my actions and what I do through my choices in life. That is the difference between someone who abdicates their responsibility and one who accepts their role in what they do.

If I lie to you, I chose to do so for some reason, God has nothing to do with it. If I killed someone, it had to happen through my thought process and translated that into action. It would be my fault. God has nothing to do with it.; That is what you folks who self worship like to claim, that evil actions are by God and humans are not responsible. How is that logical? Secular governments punish offenders because they accept human responsibility for people's behavior and actions that result in negative outcome for society. And still, with that fact, you are here debating lack of man's role and responsibility for their actions.

You regurgitating the same old 'asaadhiirul awaliin', as your holy book ironically calls them, makes your statements neither logical nor factual. They're simply the claims and assertions found in Islam, as well as in many other religions. "God gave us/you free will and will punish you eventually if you don't do as he says", while all that there's in the world is multitude of contradicting, illogical, and inhumane texts from thousands of years ago. And no, you haven't given me a single answer from the list of all the anti-scientific claims in the Koran and ahadith that I listed a couple of posts ago yet. All you did was, just like you've done in this quote, regurgitate those same old superstitious statements found in the Koran that I have been hearing all my life. That doesn't prove jack shit. If that were a proof I, together with many other ex-Muslims, would be believers now.

Mate, all you're doing here is wordplay and making unfounded and unverifiable assertions. Yes, I can't disprove the existence of a higher power, or a creator, in the same way that you can't prove the existence of such a being. The difference is, you believe the religion you were born into happens to be the true one and wanna take a chance on it, and I don't wanna limit my life on a nonsense prose and stories that are unsatisfactory as a command from a higher being who created the world.

May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.
His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.
He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flame
And his wife [as well] - the carrier of firewood.
Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fiber.

Such a silly prose isn't what inspires me as a divine scripture. You are not different from the Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist who was born into a household that believes in and practices one of those religions, who is convinced that their religion is the true religion. Nothing more than childhood indoctrination and brainwashing, mate. If that fills an emotional void in you, then knock yourself out. I grew out of that stuff.

[Twist]

And what do you call that? Is that your other account?

And by the way, what has what I said or didn't say about Somalis and whether I avoid them or not has anything to do with the topic at hand? That desperate to muddy my e-character in the hope of disqualifying my arguments? Falaadhi gil-gilasho kaagama harto.

theologian didn't insult your mom/grandma; it's below the belt to go after them, which you frequently do when you lose your fragile temper. In a previous comment, you asked to link one of the threads about avoiding Somalis, but now you've second thoughts. I'm not after character assassination or muddying your 'e-character.' Anyway, a preliminary search has netted one of the comments I was referring to:

Back several years ago Somalis here, despite their small numbers, decided to divide themselves alongside tribal groups (after many years of having one Somali community), so I really don't interact with Somalis lately. The last I knew they were just a few hundred members, most of them families, since they tend to move to Melbourne after a while. Every now and then I see new faces when I go to a shopping mall they frequent a lot, which I avoid like the plague, unless I have to. lol

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... i#p4810887

He can speak for himself, so spare me the rufiyaannimo.

Back to the quote, which part of "Somalis here, despite their small numbers, decided to divide themselves alongside tribal groups (after many years of having one Somali community), so I really don't interact with Somalis lately" was hard to understand? Both in that previous comment and in my comment here I have mentioned that there's a small Somali community here, most of them recently arrivals that I don't know, and I said the reason I don't interact with them in the comment you quoted. Does that mean I have no social life? lolwut? There are over 1.3 million people in my city, and the recently arrived qaxootis are already fighting among themselves alongside tribal lineages, so avoiding them = me not having social life? Funny thing is, how you remembered that comment I made several months ago that I couldn't even recall, and knowing how shitty Snet's search functionality is and how it takes for ages to do one search command, you took the time to dig it out and I am the one who hasn't social life, right?

Dude, either stick to the topic or keep it moving, cuz I ain't having your trolling and thread derailing antics.

[Twist]

Ya Mutti be quiet, In Somalispot you talk about Religious topics and Oppress Muslims too. Somalispot is scared of me and are banning new members because of Me.

You numb-nut, I am not even on Somalispot. Hop off my nuts, ayeydaadii tuurta lahayd dhakada ka wase.

Don't Fuck around with me you Atheist Fuck.

So what are you gonna do about it? Blow yourself up on me, so that you can go to "jannah" and meet your sky-daddy? No 72 virgins for you, you terrorist wanna-be piece of shit!

[Xildiiid]

Twist has singlehandedly destroyed the selfhating, Ayrab loving, brainwashed "Ummah" brigade.

[Twist]

It took three of them, plus Basra Buuran, to go on and on with me for over a week now, and there's nothing original from them. Same old stories and exaggerated claims with no substance, as usual. Though I fully disagree with his conviction, at least I can understand and respect the way WiredForGood puts forward his argument and sticks to his guns. It's the two other guys that I find annoying, as they add nothing of value to the discussion, other than repetitive niic.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Arguing with an atheist is like arguing with a trump supporter



btw, i thought twist was the only cool murtid smh lol

[Xildiiid]

It took three of them, plus Basra Buuran, to go on and on with me for over a week now, and there's nothing original from them. Same old stories and exaggerated claims with no substance, as usual. Though I fully disagree with his conviction, at least I can understand and respect the way WiredForGood puts forward his argument and sticks to his guns. It's the two other guys that I find annoying, as they add nothing of value to the discussion, other than repetitive niic.

They love to throw around terms like kafir and murtad as if they're morally superior because they adhere to a religion that believes one should stone adulterers because the example was set by a group of monkies according to hadith from Sahih al Bukhari.


They cannot explain why there are excerpts from Ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian wisdom texts etc. in the Quran, Torah and Hebrew Bible (Old Testament).

For instance, the law of Hammurabi is found in the Quran and Hammurabi was a sun worshipping pagan according to Muslim standards yet his eye for an eye is a legitimate punitive measure. The entire book of proverbs is plagiarized from the instructions of Amenemope and many of the quotes (guidance) found in the Maxims of Ptahhotep are reoccurring themes in the Abrahamic faiths.

The Jews and Ayrabs plagiarized from civilizations that were light years ahead of them and they hated these civilizations because of their achievements. Hence the curse of Ham and the character assasination of the Ancient Egyptians, Phoenicians and Babylonians etc. in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

I'll rather believe in the words of Ptahhotep than some Ayrab desert dweller.

Ptahhotep.

[James Dahl]

Solomon/Suleyman is probably mythical, there was no united kingdom of Israel, the history of the Hebrews based on archaeology shows the opposite occurred, that the various tribes and cities slowly formed into two kingdoms, not one kingdom splitting in two.

[Twist]

Cigaal, weligaaba doc ka yeer oo dadka ku dhega hadla ayaad ahayd ee ama doodda si saani ah uga qeyb qaado, or get back to your daily nonsense calaacal. I saw you throwing around these silly jibes at me several times before and I ignored them, but now you're getting on my nerves, dude. "Murtad". Is that supposed to be an insult? I'm murtad iyo bar and I am proud. Anything else?

It took three of them, plus Basra Buuran, to go on and on with me for over a week now, and there's nothing original from them. Same old stories and exaggerated claims with no substance, as usual. Though I fully disagree with his conviction, at least I can understand and respect the way WiredForGood puts forward his argument and sticks to his guns. It's the two other guys that I find annoying, as they add nothing of value to the discussion, other than repetitive niic.

They love to throw around terms like kafir and murtad as if they're morally superior because they adhere to a religion that believes one should stone adulterers because the example was set by a group of monkies according to hadith from Sahih al Bukhari.


They cannot explain why there are excerpts from Ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian wisdom texts etc. in the Quran, Torah and Hebrew Bible (Old Testament).

For instance, the law of Hammurabi is found in the Quran and Hammurabi was a sun worshipping pagan according to Muslim standards yet his eye for an eye is a legitimate punitive measure. The entire book of proverbs is plagiarized from the instructions of Amenemope and many of the quotes (guidance) found in the Maxims of Ptahhotep are reoccurring themes in the Abrahamic faiths.

The Jews and Ayrabs plagiarized from civilizations that were light years ahead of them and they hated these civilizations because of their achievements. Hence the curse of Ham and the character assasination of the Ancient Egyptians, Phoenicians and Babylonians etc. in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

I'll rather believe in the words of Ptahhotep than some Ayrab desert dweller.

Ptahhotep.

Couldn't have said it any better. One good example of such copycat is the Hajj ritual, an early Arab pagan ritual that Mohamed decided to retain, probably to please Quraish. If a Muslim doesn't believe in that then he's kafir. Yeah, right. And it's funny when they deny that they're just as idol worshippers as the believers of many other religions, despite the fact they have to face towards a stone in the ka'bah while praying.

If religion orders the killing of those who decide to leave it, and others for their sexuality, then it lost all credibility, let alone moral superiority. Muslims are the least people on earth that should point fingers at others for morality.

[paperino]

Funny thing is, how you remembered that comment I made several months ago that I couldn't even recall

Allah blessed me with good memory, alxamdulillaahi. May He also bless you.

[Twist]

^ Allah blessed me. He made me gaal.