Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

[Gubbet]

Phinks, I realize what the problem is now.

I attribute to a clan what is merited through the leadership they elected to speak IN THEIR NAME.

You atteibute to me WHAT ANY RANDOM JOE AND BOB WHO SHARES A CLAN WITH ME DOES INCLUDING WHEN THEY ARE EXPLICITLY NOT SPEAKING IN MY NAME.

For example, Deni was chosen 100% by the constituency of Puntland. In fact, no one BUT your constituency could participate as it was exclusively for your exclusive representation.

Farmaajo meanwhile was elected by 63% of the Somali Parliament proportionally divised equally between 4 major clans and a caucus of disenfrenchised.

184 Somali MPs voted for him.

Even if all the Marehan voted for him, they wouldn't be even 10% of his total.

It is like ascribing a charge to the person who hit you vs ascribing a charge to the relative of the person you claimed to have hit you.

[Gubbet]

Sinister, I try to look past this whole 'qabiliyad' stuff, I like it for what it is when we COMPETE with each other on merit and accomplishment, not who can kill who or which sub-clan controls which gobol/city. My reasoning is this, if Isaaq and Hawiye can get along for the most part, why can't Darood? If Darood can't get along, then let's call it a day and abolish this whole government, you can't have it both ways.

Soft spot? I admit I might have some bias, but that's because they are my actual family (cousins and in-laws), they detest Barre Hiraale and what he did to Harti in Kismayo, I also have OG cousins (moms sister husband) and they have also expressed their frustrations with Madobe and this ongoing charade, people are getting tired of small groups of families with business interests ruining it for everyone else, that goes for all clans.

Majority of Somalis are good people, the problem is that we're hopeless, we got ourselves to blame cause we refuse to put a stop to spoilers both foreign or domestic. Anyways, if you want a abtirsi check hit the dm sxb, I've got nothing to hide.

You are ignoring the elephant in the room. Darod is a tribe while isaaq is a clan, this means isaaq is related by blood while darod has similar culture but isn’t related by bloodline. This is why isaaq subclans fight and then make up lithe day after like brothers do but darod sub tribes have been killing each other and fighting for 30 year. Even last week we had some darod celebrate kenyan airforce air strikes in west gedo.


Darod as a tribe was made up around 120-130 years ago as a collection of small tribes came together to form the darod tribe. This was to fend off the big dominant clans of isaaq, hawiye, ciise etc

I don't think you're actually Isaaq dude. Otherwise you wouldn't be throwing constant jambal you almost always are never back to defend.

It is like an easy lay up and I know how to recognize because all the ones we successfully ousted for sheegadnimo were 100% facilitating little jambal like this that was always meant to be ar our expense.

I know that conduct when I see it.

[Caytame]

Marehan history, I am talking about big history here, like the dervishes, the ajuran empire, the mijerteen kingdom, etc..., starts with msb in 1969. They had the entire government, the money, the arms, the positions, at their disposal and they milked it by stealing lands and resources. They didn't do this with their own power, but with a government power.

their second rule was JVA in kismaayo from 99-2006, here most of their power was derived from their association with HG. How do we know? when Hisbul Islam led by Xasan Turki, and ras kambooni, led by axmed madoobe marched on kismaayo, the hawiye portion including indhacade and seeraar left the city without a fight, and kismaayo fell the same day. If marehan were ruling kismaayo for the 7 year prior with their own strength, they would hold it on their own when HG left them to fend for themselves. barre hiiraale's own son was killed, and he himself lost an eye which is why he sleeps with his a pirate patch today. he is on youtube crying about onlf. kkkk

marehan's third rule is today with farmaajo, and they tried to do the msb tactic, use the government to karbaash their rivals and landgrab, but this time people were woke to that shit.
they were quiet for 5 years before farmaajo, and and never held a demonstration against madoobe and they shut the fucked up, but as soon as farmajo showed up, they grew balls and started talking shit. They deployed the entire sna to gedo, stole all the money and are still holding the election on hold because they want to use the government to get back at madoobe, they can't do it as a clan.


the point is, marehan as a clan and with their own power alone, can't do shit to anyone. they lost all lands in GG, kismaayo is gone because hawiye held it for them, and now gedo is in serious trouble.

Everything else is just unfounded faan and booto. nothing more, nothing less.

ogaden established the first pan somali movement when somalis didn't even understand the concept of nation hood.
sayid maxamed said:

Awyaalow ma duushaan jahaadka maw dareertaan?
Warma danana iyo seef, degta maad ku qaaddaan?
Darmaan haad la qooqdiyo, Doolaab maa u fuushaan!
Wiyilka diirkaqaadkaa. bidixda mawgu dadabtaan
Doobbiga xammalkaa, dakarka maa ka goysaan
Daacufleyda madidaa, degdeg maw xabbaadhaan
Idinkaa dalkaba lehee, dowlad maw noqotaan?
Illeyn doqoni calaf ma leh, dulbaax maxaa ka baylahay!


ogaden as a clan expanded from hawd to isiolio, a distance of 2000 kms
from awaare to bale on the oromo border.

and we didnt using a government either.

JL=ogaden. you'll need to do a lot more than talking and making up fake ass maps on snet to change that.

and yeah, it's not all of ogaden you are fighting. don't drag us galbeedians into the battle because if a third of us join the fight, you'll not even hold gedo.

[Gubbet]

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Gubbet

I don’t understand and neither bothered to understand your gibberish so stick to writing your revisionism history.

As for the other Ilmo cheese as I said either you fight for the position of supremacy or you just submit to be ruled.

Osob Salaam sista, I agree drawing parallels between two seperate region with completely different demographics and history is moronic to say the least, in JL there is a minority getting backed by Kenya in a supremacist fight against the majority, it has always been like this, a 100 years ago it was this exactly same minority albeit Cawlyahan not Rer Abdille getting backed by the British against the majority MX in Jubaland.

Nigga why you being an apologist for? Everything HAG has accused us of the last 30yrs is all bullshit. It disgusts that you’re being nice to a woman who challenged your human rights! I’m disappointed in you!

[Gubbet]

Saddam, I was scratching my head at his first comment to Khalid until I realized he was doing a necessary team effort. Best teamwork is one that shores up the weaknesses of each other. By letting Khalid irritate me, he came to control my [non]-response basically abdicating the responsibility of correcting his misinformation. Similarly, I can't really be bothered to engage Ms Osob's reactionarism so he has similarly acted as a great foil, responding for the record in my abdication. Maybe he will even decide to respond to Caytame since I am sufficiently unimpressed by the guy's display of insecurity to not want to take a raincheck engaging or adding to it. Lol.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Gubbet,

Me and NGM have a relationship where I’m the only Laandheere to check him and vice versa. End of the day he’s my dawg. Same for you. We’re all on the same page. MX waa hal

[Osob101]

Gubbet

I don’t understand and neither bothered to understand your gibberish so stick to writing your revisionism history.

As for the other Ilmo cheese as I said either you fight for the position of supremacy or you just submit to be ruled.

You are imposing yourself right now, Osob and it has been the least likeable attribute about you for as long as I remember which I oddly thought you got a handle on since you haven't displayed it for quite some time.

Once again, raali ahow and it's not the apology raali ahow either. Waxaad sanka la neef tuuraysid waa halagula dagaalo waanu kuu jeednaaye.

How am I imposing myself? This is a public forum and you put forth your opinion and I did mine but somehow for you everything is personal and I have said to you many times that you are over sensitive and trying to hard with your revisionism history 24/7. It’s ok as long as you admit that is your agenda and purpose . We also have many of your type but at least they admit their agenda but you try so hard to come off as politically correct in order to have other validate your believes.

[Osob101]

Gubbet

I don’t understand and neither bothered to understand your gibberish so stick to writing your revisionism history.

As for the other Ilmo cheese as I said either you fight for the position of supremacy or you just submit to be ruled.

Osob Salaam sista, I agree drawing parallels between two seperate region with completely different demographics and history is moronic to say the least, in JL there is a minority getting backed by Kenya in a supremacist fight against the majority, it has always been like this, a 100 years ago it was this exactly same minority albeit Cawlyahan not Rer Abdille getting backed by the British against the majority MX in Jubaland.

Let’s me honest here, no one truly knows the true demographic of Kismaayo or Jubbaland. We all know it is the least populated federal populated city if you exclude Galkcayo from Puntland. The fight between Marehan and Ogaden is a clan war and disagreement and power because if it were about demographics we all know the May May and Bantu outnumber all Darood and Hawkeye combined together

[NGM]

Gubbet

I don’t understand and neither bothered to understand your gibberish so stick to writing your revisionism history.

As for the other Ilmo cheese as I said either you fight for the position of supremacy or you just submit to be ruled.

Osob Salaam sista, I agree drawing parallels between two seperate region with completely different demographics and history is moronic to say the least, in JL there is a minority getting backed by Kenya in a supremacist fight against the majority, it has always been like this, a 100 years ago it was this exactly same minority albeit Cawlyahan not Rer Abdille getting backed by the British against the majority MX in Jubaland.

Let’s me honest here, no one truly knows the true demographic of Kismaayo or Jubbaland. We all know it is the least populated federal populated city if you exclude Galkcayo from Puntland. The fight between Marehan and Ogaden is a clan war and disagreement and power because if it were about demographics we all know the May May and Bantu outnumber all Darood and Hawkeye combined together

Walaale the maymay and Jareerweyne outnumber us all, adiga Kismaayo baa ka hadlaysa, look at Xamar, Jowhar, heck even Caabudwaaq has xaafado maymay and jareerweyne, Caabudwaaq has Jareerweyne nabadoon even

A Jareerweyne man was killed in Caabudwaaq recently hundreds came out demonstrating demanding justice, do not ever underestimate maymay and jareerweyne numbers they have tons of babies.

horta I have seen a spike in MX - Hawiyo marriages, whats with Hawiyo sisters rejecting their own men, ileen Darood ayee ku wada yaaceen, big time qabilist and activist among Hawiyo are starting to talk about this phenomenon, I guess we know how to treat women better and its a dhaqan superiority

[Phinks]

Gubbet, Hiraale might be a random joe to you, but to others he represented a dark time, personally the guy has done nothing to me, nor any of my extended family. But that can't be said for those he has afflicted considerable trauma against, physical and mental.

It would be dishonest to blame all MX, but the way your clan - specific faction - conducted themselves in Kismayo has been burned into the minds of OG and Harti, don't understand why you're singling MJ out.

[mahoka]

Sinister, I try to look past this whole 'qabiliyad' stuff, I like it for what it is when we COMPETE with each other on merit and accomplishment, not who can kill who or which sub-clan controls which gobol/city. My reasoning is this, if Isaaq and Hawiye can get along for the most part, why can't Darood? If Darood can't get along, then let's call it a day and abolish this whole government, you can't have it both ways.

Soft spot? I admit I might have some bias, but that's because they are my actual family (cousins and in-laws), they detest Barre Hiraale and what he did to Harti in Kismayo, I also have OG cousins (moms sister husband) and they have also expressed their frustrations with Madobe and this ongoing charade, people are getting tired of small groups of families with business interests ruining it for everyone else, that goes for all clans.

Majority of Somalis are good people, the problem is that we're hopeless, we got ourselves to blame cause we refuse to put a stop to spoilers both foreign or domestic. Anyways, if you want a abtirsi check hit the dm sxb, I've got nothing to hide.

You are ignoring the elephant in the room. Darod is a tribe while isaaq is a clan, this means isaaq is related by blood while darod has similar culture but isn’t related by bloodline. This is why isaaq subclans fight and then make up lithe day after like brothers do but darod sub tribes have been killing each other and fighting for 30 year. Even last week we had some darod celebrate kenyan airforce air strikes in west gedo.


Darod as a tribe was made up around 120-130 years ago as a collection of small tribes came together to form the darod tribe. This was to fend off the big dominant clans of isaaq, hawiye, ciise etc

I don't think you're actually Isaaq dude. Otherwise you wouldn't be throwing constant jambal you almost always are never back to defend.

It is like an easy lay up and I know how to recognize because all the ones we successfully ousted for sheegadnimo were 100% facilitating little jambal like this that was always meant to be ar our expense.

I know that conduct when I see it.

You wrote several paragraphs but refused to argue against a single point I made and instead tried to attack me personally. If I am sheegato it’s up to the verified isaaq members here to call me out and there is a reason they haven’t done so.


I got nothing against Darod people, some of the best humans I met were darod.

But I am simply pointing out the elephant in the room.

1) the abtirsi of different darod tribes doesn’t make sense, the harti for example have different length abtirsi which doesn’t make sense since they claim to be brothers

2) your abtirsi has non somali names (koonbe, kuumbe etc) and your historical figures such as Theodore gotia don’t even have a Muslim name even tho they supposedly lived in a time when the isaaq and the dir were fighting to convert and colonise the Ethiopians.

3) the hate and Ill feelings you guys have for each other makes no sense if you are related by blood, of course brothers can fight but damn you guys cross red lines. Puntland and farmaajo handed over Ogaden to Ethiopia to be brutalised. Ogaden picked up the gun against you in the 1990s even tho you guys brought them to Somalia. Mj has been at war with you for the last 20 years, warsangeli doesn’t want to share a state with dhulo hence they came up with makhir. Currently warsangeli is waging a war on mj by joining Horn of Africa IS in galgala mountains and bosaso of puntland, this is because the majeerten have ceased all warsangeli lands in bari and even kicked them warsangeli out of bosaso which they had a part in. Ogaden is killing mx in Kenya, inviting kenyan army to do horrific things to mx, mx is using Ethiopia to do the same to ogaden.

Isaaq can never imagine such actions within isaaq clan, you will get brothers fight such as brief Clashes in sanaag between hj and hy sunclans, they make up and get on with their lives. Isaaq will never use foreign power against another isaaq

4) when a person identifies themselves, isaaq says isaaq and then mentions his subclan, darod doesn’t and goes straight into subtribe- hawiye says I am hawiye first and foremost from my experience. This shows that the made up identity of ‘darod’ still hasn’t sunk into the subconscious of the various newly United communities. It’s like how no one uses the term British (something made up 200 years ago) and instead people say Scottish, English, welsh or Irish which is because they don’t indenting with the made up identity.



Can you please address some of points I made.I want to understand the different dynamics between our community

[nine]

Gubbet, Hiraale might be a random joe to you, but to others he represented a dark time, personally the guy has done nothing to me, nor any of my extended family. But that can't be said for those he has afflicted considerable trauma against, physical and mental.

It would be dishonest to blame all MX, but the way your clan - specific faction - conducted themselves in Kismayo has been burned into the minds of OG and Harti, don't understand why you're singling MJ out.

You can blame Morgan, Abdullahi Yusuf and Puntland leadership for starting an unnecessary war and making Marehan furious. After that they could left MX civilians alone but they were killing and looting a defeated populace so MX militia took a hawkish response. The MX militia were seen as a hero for the civilians who were looted, had family killed and were forced to flee Barre was holding the mooryaan elements in Marehan who might have committed similar atrocities as Morgan. The likes of Col Cabas would make Hiiraale look like a libertarian then you would have a reason to complain.

Blame PL leadership Abdullahi Yusuf and Morgan for starting an unnecessary war when Marehan were in a sensitive time (Gedo wars). Not to mention assination attempt on Barre Hiiraale.

[Gubbet]

Gubbet

I don’t understand and neither bothered to understand your gibberish so stick to writing your revisionism history.

As for the other Ilmo cheese as I said either you fight for the position of supremacy or you just submit to be ruled.

You are imposing yourself right now, Osob and it has been the least likeable attribute about you for as long as I remember which I oddly thought you got a handle on since you haven't displayed it for quite some time.

Once again, raali ahow and it's not the apology raali ahow either. Waxaad sanka la neef tuuraysid waa halagula dagaalo waanu kuu jeednaaye.

How am I imposing myself? This is a public forum and you put forth your opinion and I did mine but somehow for you everything is personal and I have said to you many times that you are over sensitive and trying to hard with your revisionism history 24/7. It’s ok as long as you admit that is your agenda and purpose . We also have many of your type but at least they admit their agenda but you try so hard to come off as politically correct in order to have other validate your believes.

Lady, with all due respect...

I don't care for drama and I don't care for nuu nuu naa naa type of resentment about facts.


You want to know what is historical revisionism?

Tearing pages off of books you originally were drafted to physically archive as a well known Somali scholar and yet 100% of those randomly torn pages all coincidentally happen to have in common a direct reference to Marehan historically.

[FYI: This individual is not Osob that I am aware of for those who read this as an attack on her.]

The first page in this very topic is probably the most fitting evidence that your baseless charge was ridiculously misinformed.

This is a reflection of the integrity and rigor I apply as a standard for any claim or statement or position I take on history. It is LITERALLY beyond your or some random forum's critique and yet I still apply it as a standard regardless of the obligation I do or don't feel under the circumstances;

The question is ridiculously irrelevant. You asked if that image is doctored? Doctored to what?

You contested the source of the attribution calling it a "created source."

The only source identified anywhere is the reference to what was said about Marehan----and, as any single human being, no matter how old or young, can verify themselves, the source is real and it says exactly the attribution about Marehan referenced above.

I just did a very quick GOOGLE SCHOLAR SEARCH on behalf of your confusion.



Cited is everything required in a citation including page number.

I even translated the Italian book written IN HARAR, IN 1891 for you.

Here is the Google Scholar link ---->
You are welcome.

Just yesterday, you people were shamelessly screaming "Siad Barre Brought them go Gedo," " Siad Barre this","Siad Barre that"

WHAT IS REVISIONISM BUT YOUR LIES ABOUT OUR EQUITY WHICH EVEN CALLS FOR THE NEED TO CORRECT?

IS THIS REVISIONISM? PROVIDING THE ACTUAL FIRST ACT OF FEDERATION BETWEEN BRITISH JUBBALAND DIVIDED IN PARTS AND ITALIAN SOMALIA? IS REVISIONISM TO POINT OUT OLTRE GIUBA IS RECOGNIZED ON THE DAY OF FEDERATION TO BE MAREHAN MAJORITY LAND?



WHAT ABOUT BEFORE THAT --- DURING THE OFFICIAL TREATY BETWEEN ITLAY AND BRITAIN RATIFIED BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS WHERe THE OFFICIAL MAPS ARE UNANIMOUSLY IDENTIFYING MAREHAN LAND?



WHAT ABOUT EVEN A HALF A CENTURY BEFORE THAT IN THE 1800'S WHEN A PROTECTORATE WAS PUT OVER THE LAND WHERE THE SAME MAREHAN NOT ONLY SIGNED TREATIES OF PROTECTORATE BUT WERE LITERALLY REPRESENTED IN THE MAPS THE EXACT SAME WAY AS TODAY 120+ YEARS?




And because I know you are SOOOOOOO concerned about any time even remotely near Siad Barre, I specifically didn't even bring up Marehan Union or later records---THESE ARE ALL BEFORE SIAD BARRE WAS BORN FOR YOUR GREATEST CONVENIENCE.

So you WILL excuse me lady if I think you were running into here like a bull for no apparent reason except just to get in YOUR ACTUAL DISHONEST AND DISINFORMED HISTORICAL REVISIONISM AGAINST THE "DOOFAAR DAROOD" PIGLETS like me---am I right or am I right?

You are lucky I even addressed your cheap nothing burger this time as I do not even finish reading completely anytime I come across an random meandering about my standards unless you have something for me to look at that should concern a review of my position.

If you don't have any record for me to look at----you shouldn't even be commenting about my referencing.

[Gubbet]

can you please address some of points

No. Next. I know when I see bad faith acting.