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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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Phd, learn the difference between nationailty and ethnicity smart one.

[quote]Ismaciiil radiya allahu canhu , lived and married into the arab speakng tribes around him, thats why his decendants are arabized and called arabs, and not babylonians.
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Gurey this is what you said and I understand it perfectly, since it applies to us Daroods. Abdirixmaan jaberti came and married doonbiro and his kids became somalilized and thus are somalis and not arab today. I GET THAT. What I want to know is, from what your saying isaq was an arab, okay thats not the problem, the problem is how did you become somalis when isaq did not marry a somali women?? His wifes were a habesha slave (bah-xabuush) and an oromo (bah-magadle), so how are you guys Somali? Eithier your Somali and are dir, or your not even Somali. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Come on isaq, could none of you explain this, your smartest isaq is no where to be seen and has been ignoring my question all this time.
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The kid is desprate he thought he can play with the big league but his tiny legs were crushed in the tussle for the ball.

Let me try to understand his desprate flip flopping , his argument was that Isaaq are not Isaaq but Dir, fine, now the burden of proof falls on the person who is advancing this theory, has the kid proved anything?? not all , as a headless chicken he demands that US disprove his Faith that Isaaq are Dir Laughing a typical Kuumbo phsycology.

Now when he was confronted by theory that he was nothing but a tamed Islamized Oromos he explained away his Waaqism by arguing that their Dir mother gave them these Waaqist tarditions, the legitmate and logicall question is if Daarood Ibnu Kuumbo Ibnu Oromo inherited their Waaqism from the Dir why can't we find any evidence among the Dir themselves of Waaqism??? Better yet since he claim Isaaq are Dir too why not we can find Waaqist tardition in Isaaq geneology too?? If as he argues few Dir mothers made Daarood Ibnu Kuumbo into a nation of Jid Waaq , Barwaaq and Caabud Waaq , why not the Dir themsleves paractice this same tardition?


It pretty obvious that Daarood Ibnu Kuuumbus Ibnu oromos can't disprove this unique Waaqism that found among them only of all Somali clans, now he is attempting to sidetrack us and derail the debate into who Is a Somali? Now, out of sheer disarray he askes us how are Isaaqs somali since one of the Isxaaq's wifes were from Ethopia (while ignoring Magaado the his Dir second wife purposly) .

The answer is simple.. there was no such a thing called Somali in the 10th and 12th century, the first time ever the term Somal was mentioned was during the 16 century.

Ibnu Batuuta who visited Somalia from Zaylac to Muqdisho refred to the Somalis as black Berbers.

Eeven the term "Somali" or "somali" is colonial invention , most somalis during the 16 and 17 century refred to themselves as Somal and early colonial literature used Somal as opposed to the widly used Somali now...

Also, one can argue the same for the Daarood Ibnu kuumbos, since their alleged origin was from the gutters of Yemen , how can they claim somalinimo through couple Dir maternal ancestory, does living in Somalia for 10-8 centuries make you a Somali a native of that land or some allegedly Dir woman makes you one?

silly...the Kuumbos are check mated..period.
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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Not to disturb the ongoing slaughter carried out by the X man here. I have always heard the Kumbas crying out their relationship with Imam Gurey and all, and how he is a Marexaan Kumbe. Its all good, only if I hadnt stumbled upon a partial copy of the original Arabic text of Futuux Al Xabasha, sorry Kumbaz, I have to do this:

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??? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ?????? - ???? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ? ???? ?????? ????????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ???????? ??????

(????? ??? : 13? ?????? ???: 259)

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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

Post by gurey25 »

bro the arabic text didnt get through.


and Sad boy.

The entire isaaq clan lived and grew up with the Magaadle clan of the Maahe dir
even the decendants of shiekh isaaqs harari wife.

thats probably why we are confused with Dir ,because for the first few hundred years we came under the Dir confederacy.

We out grew the maahe dir, we even outgrew the entire Dir clan.
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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Ben .......

We can’t read the statements u wrote above. Either decode it, or give us a direct link/article.

As 4 Somalilanders --- I’ll dedicate this poem (Dream Eternal) 2 them. I think the person who wrote it, dwelled continuously and moodily on about a situation similar 2 S/land’s one.

Drifting, gliding,
through a land of mysteries,
where anything is a possibility,
nothing out ruled.
Yet one mistake can shift everything,
out of perspective,
into a pit of misery.
An unknown destination,
containing every unaccomplished dream,
All are free, but a price remains,
to buy satisfaction may yield only rejection.
But where can it be found?
Promises lingering,
reaching out with no reply.
But the pending expedition will finally halt,
In a world of dreams fulfilled.


(Zeynab Cige Melody Ku Kor Shida Idinku Qayilayo).......
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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So, in other words, the U.S will acquiesce, when and only if, it appears a sure thing that Somaliland will allow itself to be manipulated by Washington. Washington abviously needs assurance that Somaliland will avail itself to be prostituted in much the same way Djibouti is prostituted. Somaliland can only be free of these shackles when they decree that they DON'T need American approval. F'uck the U.S, seek recognition elsewhere.
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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X.playa, old man, playing stupid will not work with anyone. Forget about waaq iyo door iyo waxaan. The subject is not about them, and I have explained it all for you numerous times. I am asking you to explain what Isaq was. It shouldn't reach 10 pages unless one is unsure of what he is and is a garac.

Gurey, your confused, is magaado a name of a dir clan (which does not exsist) or the name of an oromo women isaq married.
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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Why the hell did u guyz change the Topic into clan history as for Dir even i cant go back that far cause am not sure but i think it will take me over 50 Lineage wise to get to him but the oldest son of Dir he os Essa Warabe and i know it will take them 60+ to get to him so Dir isnt like Darood Hawiya or Isaaq we are alot older and so have split up into many branches. Very Happy
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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gurey,

Now you accept that ur DIR ? Since you accept your people I would welcome you THE GREATER DIR REPUBLIC
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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we are reer sheikh isxaaq ibn waliyallah aabtiigay na wa negus negashii

wax somali la yidha ma jirto

soomaali is language not dhalasho

affar speaks it in jabuutii
jaarso speaks it
jeberti awkuumbo speaks it
hawiye speak it
portuqees barawaani speaks it
bantu speaks it
isaaq speaks it
raxanweyn speaks it
diir speaks it

even maliz zanawi speaks it
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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The_Emperior5,

are U saying me Isaaq origin is arab like jeberts or they are origin somali like hawiye and Dir?
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

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saaxib isxaaq ciidu yahay wala ogyahay ila halkaan laga sheegoo loo ma bahna
wala midgaan jeberti from hadramout uu caruur aan uu dhaliin ku aaabtirsada uu daraha oodii jiiray
wala hawiye bantuu, wala kuwan gagaab eeh dirta eeh dhulka lugu yimid
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Re: On the Road to Independent Statehood?

Post by gurey25 »

Sad boy you are the one confused.

maybe you should stick to the Garre and Oromo and leave northern clan politics alone,
since you are obviously not taking it seriously.

YES MAGAADLE is A CLAN and still exists as a small minority.


now are you going to anwer my question or not?

admit it you cannot.
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