MAGOOL.

[Murax]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Murax,

I have no qualms with Marexan. I oppose those who paint a Utopian Somalia 1981-1991 and pose MSB & his govt as a democratic representative of the people that fell victim to armed opposition groups who rose up for no reason. When the brutality of the regime is simply ignored or written off as 'dealing with opposition', you are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past.

I do concede that post MSB Somalia went down for the worst because a culture of one man rule had taken over & each faction was jocking to be the next MSB & "Marexan".[/quote]


A/Wahab,

My post isn't directed to one particular person. I do know that there were people who genuinely had a problem ONLY with the regime and believe it or not there were even a lot of Marexaan who did. That being said, I know that there were a lot of people who took up arms without anything other then stirctly out of "Lets move this Marexaan fool from that seat". 21 Years is a long time and maybe too long for one person to be in power. Heck I even remember when my Pops got a Toyota 4Runner in the States in the early '90s with absolutely ZERO, ZILCH Gov money and every Somali looked at us and said "Dawlada, Dawlada" How funny when so many people from so many clans got rich from that Gov. The Ogadeen War was the downfall of Somalia events above MSB's head, and towards the late '80s to early '90s a intense anti Marexaan wave of hatred came, and I even remember getting the dirty looks, hate etc. when we had absolutely nothing to do with what was going on. As far as everybody else jocking to be "The next MSB" Please. Caydid AUN, Qanyare Afrax, Mohamed Dhere, Cali Wardhigley and all the blood sucking criminals wern't interesting in building roads, installing healthcare, providing education etc. but wanted to sock the blud of the population until it was dry, which they did very successfully if I may add. Timirta siib, tintiinta laal.

[King-of-Awdal]

Murax

For ur info MSB didnt build a single school let alone a road in my ancestoral home, thats why i think somalia should never get a heavily dominated central goverment that invest only in the capital ever again.

[Alluring]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="AbdiWahab252"]Murax,

I have no qualms with Marexan. I oppose those who paint a Utopian Somalia 1981-1991 and pose MSB & his govt as a democratic representative of the people that fell victim to armed opposition groups who rose up for no reason. When the brutality of the regime is simply ignored or written off as 'dealing with opposition', you are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past.

I do concede that post MSB Somalia went down for the worst because a culture of one man rule had taken over & each faction was jocking to be the next MSB & "Marexan".[/quote]

Very well put. The legacy of MSB was the creation of a culture of one man rule and the use of the Central Gov't as a tool to advance the interests of a clan. Unlike the time of President Aden Abdulle Osman (AUN) and President Abdi-Rashid Sharmarke (AUN) when democracy was our political system and the constitution a guiding light for the new nation, the MSB regime has imprinted a culture of one-man rule on the mind of the masses and cult worship was enforced to create a non-existing myth for the man and his people. Consequently, this mentality placed the clan above the constitution and the country paving the way for the disintegration of the Somali Republic along clan lines, each aiming to duplicate the regime that has been defeated.[/quote]


When I read hot air like this, I question why your parents were not sterilized. Somalis could not be lined without an iron fist--Siad Barre knew that well before anyone. And today it proves his ideologies were in the right place. You should be aware that there is no such thing as democracy, every government, and policies instituted have remnants of dictatorship ones is of course more obvious than the other.

[VainChick]

[quote="Basra-"]Magool was a hawiye slut. She is now a dead hawiye slut, can we not talk about her??? Africa, Africa--where is she now?? lol[/quote]

Subxanallah... you need to look past your deep-rooted hatred towards hawiye people for a second and realize she was human being such as yourself who has now passed as you will someday! It's not good to speak ill of the deceased!

[Murax]

[quote="King-of-Awdal"]Murax

For ur info MSB didnt build a single school let alone a road in my ancestoral home, thats why i think somalia should never get a heavily dominated central goverment that invest only in the capital ever again.[/quote]


Awdal,


While acknowledging MSB's mistakes I told A/Wahab that the people who A/Wahab praised as liberator's (USC) wern't interested in building schools ANYWHERE let alone in somebody else's deegan.

[King-of-Awdal]

Murax

Each of em had mistakes but some more than the others but sadly some folkz will never see beyond clan lines.

[Murax]

[quote="King-of-Awdal"]Murax

Each of em had mistakes but some more than the others but sadly some folkz will never see beyond clan lines.[/quote]


Awdal,

Were Caydid AUN and his USC henchmen interested in restoring a Gov or killing as much Daroods as humanely possible and causing as much mayhem as possible. MSB made crucial errors but its hard to take criticizm of him by A/Wahab when he constantly 24/7 patronizes USC/Caydid 100x more then MR may patronize MSB.

[Basra-]

[quote="VainChick"][quote="Basra-"]Magool was a hawiye slut. She is now a dead hawiye slut, can we not talk about her??? Africa, Africa--where is she now?? lol[/quote]

Subxanallah... you need to look past your deep-rooted hatred towards hawiye people for a second and realize she was human being such as yourself who has now passed as you will someday! It's not good to speak ill of the deceased![/quote]


Vainchic@Looool Hayee, i am sorry. I beg your pardon. LOOOL

[AbdiWahab252]

lol @ Murax.

The kettle is calling the pot black.

[King-of-Awdal]

Murax

Use Logic bro. Who do you think history will critcize more for the Iraq war. Bush or Collin Powell. Obviously it was the latter that convinced some of the world tht the intelligence was legitimate to go to Iraq but we all Know bush was responsible. You cant compare a legitmate head of state with a Rebel leader. MSB will alwayz have the biggest blame and critcized more. Thts the reality.

[Murax]

[quote="King-of-Awdal"]Murax

Use Logic bro. Who do you think history will critcize more for the Iraq war. Bush or Collin Powell. Obviously it was the latter that convinced some of the world tht the intelligence was legitimate to go to Iraq but we all Know bush was responsible. You cant compare a legitmate head of state with a Rebel leader. MSB will alwayz have the biggest blame and critcized more. Thts the reality.[/quote]



So someone who patronizes Caydid AUN around the clock has the right to criticize Barre and nobody is calling out the hypocracy?

[Alluring]

[quote="King-of-Awdal"]Murax

Use Logic bro. Who do you think history will critcize more for the Iraq war. Bush or Collin Powell. Obviously it was the latter that convinced some of the world tht the intelligence was legitimate to go to Iraq but we all Know bush was responsible. You cant compare a legitmate head of state with a Rebel leader. MSB will alwayz have the biggest blame and critcized more. Thts the reality.[/quote]

Wow, I never knew someone would be criticized for bring their nation to the world community.

[King-of-Awdal]

Murax

I didnt say that, but as i said some dont see beyond clan lineage and will never admit a mistake of their kinsmen. why do you think out nation has been destroyed.

Alluring

No offence but sis you have some extreme views. You believe MSB,TFG AND AY are all Perfect.

[Goljano Lion]

Allah yarxuumo Magool foolxumo badan

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Alluring"][quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="AbdiWahab252"]Murax,

I have no qualms with Marexan. I oppose those who paint a Utopian Somalia 1981-1991 and pose MSB & his govt as a democratic representative of the people that fell victim to armed opposition groups who rose up for no reason. When the brutality of the regime is simply ignored or written off as 'dealing with opposition', you are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past.

I do concede that post MSB Somalia went down for the worst because a culture of one man rule had taken over & each faction was jocking to be the next MSB & "Marexan".[/quote]

Very well put. The legacy of MSB was the creation of a culture of one man rule and the use of the Central Gov't as a tool to advance the interests of a clan. Unlike the time of President Aden Abdulle Osman (AUN) and President Abdi-Rashid Sharmarke (AUN) when democracy was our political system and the constitution a guiding light for the new nation, the MSB regime has imprinted a culture of one-man rule on the mind of the masses and cult worship was enforced to create a non-existing myth for the man and his people. Consequently, this mentality placed the clan above the constitution and the country paving the way for the disintegration of the Somali Republic along clan lines, each aiming to duplicate the regime that has been defeated.[/quote]


When I read hot air like this, I question why your parents were not sterilized. Somalis could not be lined without an iron fist--Siad Barre knew that well before anyone. And today it proves his ideologies were in the right place. You should be aware that there is no such thing as democracy, every government, and policies instituted have remnants of dictatorship ones is of course more obvious than the other.[/quote]

Alluring,

Let's not use clan emotions here. The myth that Somalia can only governed by an iron-fist is both stupid and defies reason. The first two presidents of Somalia, Aden Abdulle Osman (AUN) and Abdi-Rashid Sharmarke (AUN) were not bloodthirsty dictators like MSB, yet at their time we had a working democracy and the clan card was not being used to dictate the agenda of the state. I agree that "every government has remnants of dictatorship," but that doesn't justify MSB's destruction of the second largest city in the Republic and the systematic use of collective punishment to punish a whole clan for the actions of few individuals. We are all too familiar with innocent Issaq people being taking away in the dark of the night, never to be seen again. Such actions were not selective nor isolated, it was a system designed to put fear on the innocent people. Let's put qabiil aside for a minute and reason rationally.