Discovery Channel Proves the Qur'an to be the word of God !!

[Voltage]

THE QUR'AN SAYS THE DAY WHEN IT DISPLAYS IT (SUN'S BRIGHTNESS).........so where did you read the Sun displays day?

This is what Sura 91: verses 1-4 say:

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YUSUFALI: By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour;
PICKTHAL: By the sun and his brightness,
SHAKIR: I swear by the sun and its brilliance,

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YUSUFALI: By the Moon as she follows him;
PICKTHAL: And the moon when she followeth him,
SHAKIR: And the moon when it follows the sun,

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YUSUFALI: By the Day as it shows up (the Sun's) glory;
PICKTHAL: And the day when it revealeth him,
SHAKIR: And the day when it shows it,

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YUSUFALI: By the Night as it conceals it;
PICKTHAL: And the night when it enshroudeth him,
SHAKIR: And the night when it draws a veil over it,

Pay attention to verses 3 and 4... it is the sun that causes night and day. This is scientific and common knowledge error.

Verses 3 and 4 do not say the sun causes night and day.

Verses 3 and 4 says

And the day when it shows it

And the night when it draws a veil over it,

Do you have basic elementary comprehension? What does and the day when it shows the sun's brightness and the night when it draws a veil over the sun's brightness mean?

Is the sun the subject or the predicate in those verses? Where is the link of the Sun's causation in those verses? Those verses explicitly say the Sun is Fixed like my hand, and the night and day function as gloves covering and uncovering.

Are you seriously this obtuse?

To let you continue on with this is both an insult to myself and the audience!

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The Quran says the sun sets and rises here on earth. That blunder alone disqualifies the Quran as authority on science.

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YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

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YUSUFALI: Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.
SHAKIR: Until when he reached the land of the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people to whom We had given no shelter from It;

This is dealing with Dhul Qarnayn and other aspects which are beyond mere human understanding. The science we are talking about is relevant science that cannot be denied which serve as basic evidence for the truthfullness of the Qur'an. This does not mean everything in the Qur'an should be logical to the human mind nor is it supposed to be.

Next thing we will have is the reincarnation of the Meccan idol worshippers who said "how could Muhammed have flown to Jerusalem and come back the same night".

Because God willed!

[Voltage]

Skippa hala yaabin, Goljano is on that path.

SXB HABAARKU MA FIICNA

Adigaa isku keenay!

[Hoowle]

Verses 3 and 4 do not say the sun causes night and day.

Well, the sun does actually cause day as the part of the earth experiencing daylight is exposed to the sun. While the part in darkness is facing away from the sun. The sun provides the light but it is the rotation of the earth that is the key determinant of what part of the earth experiences day and night. That's the point I was trying to make. Thus, day and night can co-exist at the same time in different places on earth. But reading the Quran you'd think the entire world consisted of the Middle East.

There is no mention of the rotation of the earth and the role that plays in day and night. Had the Quran mentioned something about the rotation of the earth and how different parts of the world can experience BOTH day and night, I'd might be impressed. But Quran doesn't and is FULL of other absurd scientific errors.

Do you have basic elementary comprehension? What does and the day when it shows the sun's brightness and the night when it draws a veil over the sun's brightness mean?

This Quranic bifurcation of day and night into separate entities is yet another evidence that the authors of the Quran were ignorant of science. As I said above, day and night exist at the same time. For instance, it's dark where I am right now but half way around the world people are welcoming first lights of a new morning. So the Quran is demonstrably wrong as "night" can never, ever "draw veil over the sun's brightness."

Is the sun the subject or the predicate in those verses? Where is the link of the Sun's causation in those verses? Those verses explicitly say the Sun is Fixed like my hand, and the night and day function as gloves covering and uncovering.

The sun sets in a muddy spring and rises from someplace on earth. It runs its "fixed path" as the Quran. How on earth can it be fixed?

But I'm gonna give you one more chance to provide the verse that says the sun is fixed.

[Hoowle]

This is dealing with Dhul Qarnayn and other aspects which are beyond mere human understanding.

Appeal to mysticism is not a valid substitute for cogent argumentation. It's not up to you to determine what is beyond human understanding. Your task is to defend your claims. If you can't, then say so.

By the way, Mohammed, who last I checked was a mere human, had no problem understanding the message of that verse (or similar verses). He explains in this saxiix hadith what the sun must do every it rises or sets.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421, Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west.

The science we are talking about is relevant science that cannot be denied which serve as basic evidence for the truthfullness of the Qur'an.

There isn't a single scientific fact in the quran that wasn't either already known or could easily be known by people back then.

In fact if you could provide ANY unambiguous, self-evident scientific information from the Quran that wasn't already known or could've been known by an average literate person, I'd become a Muslim.

Next thing we will have is the reincarnation of the Meccan idol worshippers who said "how could Muhammed have flown to Jerusalem and come back the same night".

He didn't fly to Jerusalem, it was all a dream. There is a Hadith that attests to this where one of his wives, Aisha I think, said he was with her all night.

[ilyas66]

alaah subxanu watacalaa, ayaa waxa uu yiri quranka waxa uu hanuun iyo shifaac u yahay mu miniita
lakiin kuwa waxa jira in ay hanuunkas qatan iska dayee jecel in ay nuurka rabi u soo dajiyaya caalamka ay afkooda oyo adimahooda ku damiyaan, sida horay u dhacday . waxa jirtay in umadahii naga horeeyay qaarkood ay codsadeen in mirikal la tusiyo markii la tusiyana ay san rumeen , sida kuwii hasha loo soo baxshay iyo kuwa badan/
nabiga oo muragaysan oo aad u wal walsan lana yaban waxa galadii qureesheed iyo dadka qarkii ay qayrka u qadan la yihiin
ayaa rabi ku yiri. waxba ha wal walin ee waxad tahay gaarsiiye ee qasab kuma lahid midka qayrka aan qasdan
ileen isaga ayay dan ugu jirtaa ,xoolo iyo aduun kaga gadan maysid ee waxad ugu wacaysomwaa wax isaga ay adni ugu jirto.
walalayaal marar badan ayaa galadii iyo qaar ka mid ah asxaabtii ay nabiga calahi salatu wasalaam ay ku dhaheen nabiga waa majnuun, walalayaal sababta ay hadalkaas u dhaheen waxay tahay arimo badan oo cilmi ah oo xiligaas iyada aysan aqoon u laheen gaaladii iyo asxaanbtii markaas joogtay oo manta awood loo helay in labaaro laguna baaro qalab casri ah
si sceintific ahna loo xaqiijiyay in nabigeeni waxa uu shegayay in ay run ahayeen, oo aan wada og nahay maanta tirana lagu soo koobi karin. sida cilmiga xidigaha oo quranka marar baadn ka hadlay oo markaas aysan aqoon u laheen carabtii markaas jiratay
lakiin manta lagu ogaday talis koob oo ay xaqiiq noqotay in nabiga cswa awxa u sheegay ay run tahay
ayado badan aya rabi nabiga kula hadlay oo ku yiri majnuun ma tihid ,ee waxa tahay qayru qalqilaah ee quranka looguma talo galin genarationkan oo kaliya ee waxaa loogu tala galay genarationada soo socda si ay u baaraan ka dibna xaqiida u ogadaan ka dibna ay maskaxdooda ka shaqaysiiyan oo ay mirikalka quranka 1400 sano ka hor soo dagay manta ka hadlay wax aysan dadkii waqtigaa jiray aysan aqoon u laheen
walala quranku waxa ka buuxa mucjisiyo badan oo u bahan in la baaro, ee qof walboo quranka si cilmiyaysan u baar awlahay waxa kuu soo baxaya in quran ka haadlkii rabi yahay nabigeenana xaga rabi l;aga oo diran.

[suga_delic]

best thread so far, jazak 4 postin it.

[Voltage]

Hoowle, I know better than to beat my head against a troll. You were not serious to begin with but it became you are nothing more than a simple troll in the last couple pages when simple English reading has turned into something incomprehensible on your part.

Not seeing the difference between sun causes day or not in a reading even a 4th grader can understand. I take heed of the advice given to me by the people who know you but thanks for giving me an opportunity to showcase the miracle of the Qur'an. If your heart is closed to it, it will water the hearts of many others.