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the only reason why a man from bani hashim were chosen i.e prophet muhamed pbuh was because bani hashim were the most difficult tribe. From idol worshiping, they drunk dance with women, beat thier wives, enjoy lavish life style without thinking about the poor. Had no respect for their slaves. God chosen someone among from them to deliver to them the true words of god, so they dont have excuse to say look what you brought us an cajab to lead us? So NO it wasnt becaus they were superior but because they were hard headed, money loving idol worshiping KUFFARS. Get your story right next time.

curious cat wrote:the only reason why a man from bani hashim were chosen i.e prophet muhamed pbuh was because bani hashim were the most difficult tribe. From idol worshiping, they drunk dance with women, beat thier wives, enjoy lavish life style without thinking about the poor. Had no respect for their slaves. God chosen someone among from them to deliver to them the true words of god, so they dont have excuse to say look what you brought us an cajab to lead us? So NO it wasnt becaus they were superior but because they were hard headed, money loving idol worshiping KUFFARS. Get your story right next time.

Astaghfirullah.

Not a single fact in there. Are you accusing the Prophet of lying when he said his lineage (those that preceded him) was the most noble?

That's a very slippery slope and could lead to apostasy.

Al-Haqq wrote:Are you saying the Hadith is weak or Rasulallah was being dishonest?

Why do you continue with your lies about the Nabi (saw)? The Prophet (saw) was sent to the Quraish because of the level of their Fisq. Just like Nabi Lut was sent to Saduum & Gamurah. Just like Nabi Harun, Salih & Shu'aib were sent to their kin. Because they were all Faasiqoon who transgressed. Are you this daft or do you make these foolish claims to stir up a controversy? Its not because the Quraish were special, its because they turned their backs on Allah and soiled the Ka'ba by turning it in to an idol worshiping temple.

Didn't the Quraish reject The Prophet's message (saw), plot to kill him and persecute the Muslims? They were the last in Arabia to embrace Islam and they only accepted it because they were outnumbered and faced extinction. The story of Abu Sufyan? You're playing with fire with these ridiculous claims.

If we are to follow your retarded thinking, then Bani Israa'il should be the most honored people in the history of humanity. Because Allah has done them more favors than anyone else, sent them wave after wave of Prophets including Yusuf, Yaqub, Musa, Da'ud, Suleiman, Yusha bin Nun (Joshua) and Issa. But the Qur'an says they are the most ungrateful people to have received his wrath.

Are you even Muslim?

Why do you continue with your lies about the Nabi (saw)? The Prophet (saw) was sent to the Quraish because of the level of their Fisq. Just like Nabi Lut was sent to Saduum & Gamurah. Just like Nabi Harun, Salih & Shu'aib were sent to their kin. Because they were all Faasiqoon who transgressed. Are you this daft or do you make these foolish claims to stir up a controversy? Its not because the Quraish were special, its because they turned their backs on Allah and soiled the Ka'ba by turning it in to an idol worshiping temple

Kolombo wrote:

Al-Haqq wrote:Are you saying the Hadith is weak or Rasulallah was being dishonest?

Why do you continue with your lies about the Nabi (saw)? The Prophet (saw) was sent to the Quraish because of the level of their Fisq. Just like Nabi Lut was sent to Saduum & Gamurah. Just like Nabi Harun, Salih & Shu'aib were sent to their kin. Because they were all Faasiqoon who transgressed. Are you this daft or do you make these foolish claims to stir up a controversy? Its not because the Quraish were special, its because they turned their backs on Allah and soiled the Ka'ba by turning it in to an idol worshiping temple.

Didn't the Quraish reject The Prophet's message (saw), plot to kill him and persecute the Muslims? They were the last in Arabia to embrace Islam and they only accepted it because they were outnumbered and faced extinction. The story of Abu Sufyan? You're playing with fire with these ridiculous claims.

If we are to follow your retarded thinking, then Bani Israa'il should be the most honored people in the history of humanity. Because Allah has done them more favors than anyone else, sent them wave after wave of Prophets including Yusuf, Yaqub, Musa, Da'ud, Suleiman, Yusha bin Nun (Joshua) and Issa. But the Qur'an says they are the most ungrateful people to have received his wrath.

Are you even Muslim?

The thought that Banu Isra'eel are superior to Banu Isma'eel sends shivers down the spine.

It's this simple: If you acknowledge the nobility of the Prophet's lineage, you have refuted the basis on which you deny nobility to Banu Isma'il. The nobility of the Prophet's lineage is not a matter of taqwa. If you acknowledge this, you have acknowledged nobility is of different types, other than the type the Prophet referred to when equating between Arabs and non-Arabs. If the Prophet's lineage is noble, then Arab lineage is noble to an extent because the Prophet is ultimately from the same stock as Banu Isma'il. The rest of them are not as noble as Quraysh and Banu Hashim, but more noble than all other non-Isma'ilite groups.

As for you who dare insult Arabs various ahadith warn against hating the Arabs because hating Arabs would imply hating the Prophet (SAW), which would be kufr. This is what he is referring to.

Naturally. I am the future of the Ummah and of the Ulema

Al-Haqq wrote:Naturally. I am the future of the Ummah and of the Ulema

You're an imbecile.

Stop lying about the Nabi (saw), stick to your usual Afwerki & Maakhir topics, leave Islam to those who best know it.

Kolombo wrote:

Al-Haqq wrote:Naturally. I am the future of the Ummah and of the Ulema

You're an imbecile.

Stop lying about the Nabi (saw), stick to your usual Afwerki & Maakhir topics, leave Islam to those who best know it.

Ad hominem insults. Typical non-Arab caqli.

Quote where I've lied or concede to being a liar.

I doubt you realize how versed I am in Islamic jurisprudence. Nobody on this site is more qualified to discuss Islamic issues than myself.

I usually don't make a habit of entertaining attention-whores.

Therefore, continue to make a boob out of yourself.

Btw, if you knew anything about the deen, you would know the punishment for making takfeer & lying about the Prophet (saw), dumb-tart.

Kolombo wrote:
Btw, if you knew anything about the deen, you would know the punishment for making takfeer & lying about the Prophet (saw), dumb-tart.

More ad hominem attacks? Truly the last resort of the embarrassed.

I know the punishment for both. Now quote where I lied or where I made unjustified takfir or concede to being a liar.

Astaghfirullah, it's actually astonishing how racist these people are.

They sound like KKK members, refusing to acknowledge the tadfil Allah has given Arabs.

May Allah guide them. Amiin.

pitypost

In conclusion, what is important to remember is that this is a theological matter and something that differentiates between a Sunni and a heretic, and the reason for that has become very clear in this thread, that now people are going to the extent of doubting the Prophet's noble lineage.

How people can discard what has been a part of our Aqeedah for 1400 years is beyond me, all I can do is hope they are shown the straight path.

I'll pray for you all

loool al haqq got verbally raped by kolombo

Arsenal_Man wrote:loool al haqq got verbally raped by kolombo

I see no reply, no counter argument, nothing of substance, no evidence.

That's the beauty of Arab intelligence, I can run mental rings around 50 of you at the same time with no trouble. Allah has truly blessed us