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1nemansquad wrote:paidmonk, If Dhulbahante really wants to make it work, then it will work inshaállah. I didn't go against your idea of having a regional administration that serves your purpose, don't go against mine. Or instead of Idoors, you will be my enemy.
Who says I am against SSC? I'm saying it won't work. Essentially what these maamul goboleeds are for is to secure a political and geographic isolation and pocket of security for the clans they serve. Without adequate roads (Sool has poor quality roads) and markets or even sea access, Sool is locking itself in for the worse not the better. Puntland locked itself away to hold onto some of Somalia's best sea access, transportation infrastructure, water & land resources; Sool doesn't have any of those except maybe a few land resources, which can't be used without a port or proper roads.

What I'm saying is that SSC can't work physically. Why do you think Dulbahante elders are strongly involved in the two administrations, purely to take advantage of the resources in those areas to develop their areas. If Puntland was the size of Galmudug, MJs would definitely take advantage of the nearest commercial hub. Point blank period, SSC wont' work, ever, not because Paidmonk says so but because of physical limitations. That's it.

But at the end of the day, there is no point in me to honor a phantom called SSC. Those SSC areas like Buuhoodle, Taleex, and Widh Widh are part of Puntland state and Lascanood will be reverted back soon.
So basically what your saying is if Dhulbahante doesn't want to be part of the Majeerteen administration then they wont have access to Lasqorey or Bosaso ports; that is your bargaining chip? And you wont open your markets to Dhulbahante? another bargaining chip?

This here is the mentality of most Majeerteens Udun, there you go; waxba hanoo shegin, stop being a clown mate or better yet say whatever you like.
Sxb be honest, if not with anyone else, then with yourself. "I don't want to be part of your administration, but I want to have access to your ports and resources for free" ma soconeeso. If anything, you're going to have to compensate either the Somaliland admin or Puntland admin for access to the Berbera/Boosaaso/Laasqoray ports. And that's not because we in Puntland want to see you fail or we want to make life harder on you...if you're under the Puntland administration, you pay taxes to it and contribute to it's economy. If not, you pay money to use it's resources since you've chosen to not come under it.

If SSC thinks it can survive without a port or abundance of natural resources, you're deluding yourself....you guys don't have the resources required for economic sustainability. Very limited physical capital, technological capital, human capital and natural resources. Having your own administration is not feasible based on willpower and desire alone, you need to have means of production for economic productivity, which you guys aren't in a strategic enough location for. Ma aha "I'm gonna build a maamul goboleed out of pride", cuz pride comes before a fall and without being allied with an administration with the means to develop your resources, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening.

Don't take this as a knock on Dhullos or SSC, but rather, constructive criticism :up:
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Who said anything about using the ports for free? Are you telling me only the Majeerteen administration use these ports? And if I'm going to use your land of course I'm going to pay the required taxes just like everyone else. And as for abundance of natural resources what is that you have that we don't? ran me through it piece by piece.

Technological capital? your kidding right, what sort of technology do we lack that is 100km's more or less away in Basaso, Garowe or in Galkacyo? Are you saying that the people in your region are academically advanced than the people in Lascanood? You don't require 3 billion people to ran a viable, stable self-governing small administration with security, financially and otherwise therefore your human resources bullshit is flawed. When Puntland was created you lot were in the same position we are at the moment or even worse and you got to this stage with the contribution of a lot people including us in every way you can imagine, strange how we seem to forget things.

The Somali economic productivity is local based, every region has its people and business leaders as well as their resources to generate not a first class world economy but enough local based production economy to work for itself, if that wasn't the case people would've starved by now. You have to start somewhere and you did it so can we.

You got to start somewhere somehow and believe me we will have a port of our own if we get our shit together and clean Idoor's out of our land.

Waan kaa tashaneyaaye get the fuck outta my way mate. When we fail then we will think about other options.
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We will build our own port if not, we will use the Southern Ports, Go through Ogadenia & Cabudwaq Dhulka Ilaheey wuu Badiyeey. :up: :idea:

And Everyone Going thru our Land will have to pay taxes. :mrgreen:
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Babygirl- wrote:We will build our own port if not, we will use the Southern Ports, Go through Ogadenia & Cabudwaq Dhulka Ilaheey wuu Badiyeey. :up: :idea:

And Everyone Going thru our Land will have to pay taxes. :mrgreen:

What land? :P

Be honest with yourself you have a small strip of land that you share with others. This SSC thing is total hot air, unless you are saying that your the most powerfull group in these regions. The facts state the most power you hold in any of these regions is 60% in Sool. To cut a long story short Southern Togdher, Half of Sool and nothing of Sanaag wont work and if you think it will then its called bad business.
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GSNM, why is it that dameerta tan ugu tamarta xun baa ugu qeylada dheer? waraa you are Habarjeclo, seriously you are insignificant amongst your own people yet day and night your screaming at Dhulbahante oo xil, xoolo, xoog iyo xiniiyaba ku dheer, trying to bring us down to your level. WTF :shock:

Classic case of misery loves company, your tribe is a failure and you us to be right down there with you? lol
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War niyo take that chip of your shoulder. No matter how good or bad Habar Jeclo are doing ( and they are doing better then you guys at the moment) it still doesn't take away the facts of my argument. Southern togdher, half of Sool and nothing of Sanaag will not compete in that region. You prove to me how it could work.
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if things turn out well for SSC, in the long term they should definitely uptfor their own port or at the very least strike a mutally benefiting deal with Lasqoray residents, it is practical to avoid future disunity among Dhulbahante caused by the admins economic dependence PL or SL. SSC port has the doability and the economic potential and it is very realistic, to say SSC is up for auction simple because neighbours admins have inexpenive short-life(few decades at most) non-deepsea port is simply a JOKE.

in the short term they should not fall for this delusion of "port restriction" even if there was such a thing do you think it would be worth to sell your land and your people to an admin that takes turn within its own sub-sub-sub clan and when other people get a some chance they get shot down in cold blood by any old Farax with a gun who comes from the majority tribe ? Lol.

whether or not SSC sells itself to Puntland, the majority domestic society of puntland will continue to practice bigotry just like majority of Somalis do, so it is not really a barganing point to be considered when they say (equal oppertunity because your puntlander) lol.

Puntland should give up in trying to adopt SSC to take advantage of them, despite having the capability Puntland does not help them so stop all this nacnac and conditions. when USC were running rampant in Gaalkacyo did Rer Caabudwaaq decide your future or did they just protect for Humanitarian reasons? you fail to do the same even though Dhollus are supposedly your Harti brother. when Qabiil is core to your belief system you are really F'ed up. lol
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oldenglish wrote:
udun wrote:
oldenglish wrote:
Since the war of Garadag and the defeat I dont think Dhulbhantes like us. Same with Osman Maxamoud :lol:
Which war in Garadag and defeat?
You are talking about Cali Dable?

The war where Garaad (Sultan) Dable defeated Dhulbhante.


And not to mention the Majarteen wars (Cumar +Osman+Minorities) where Dubeys sent victory strikes and occupied their land. :mrgreen:
Are you talking about Cali Dable?

Waar awoowe maad inaga daysid inaynu dagaaladii dhex maray Dhulbahante iyo Warsangeli dib ugu noqono taariikihii hore. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Udun

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Babygirl- wrote:What was your Excuse & Ina Afqudhac, Dee Ethiopia no Didaay inan Dagaal Qadno. LOOL Nagoo Foqool Nago.
Oo isaga ma dagaal baa gaar u haystay inaadeer? Culaysku reerka waa wada saaran yahay aynu wax iska celino la iskuma diidin daladaha aan laga wada tashan baa la isku diidan yahay. Sidaa ula soco.

Babygirl- wrote: And Ina-Cali Shire ma iloowday inu Somaliland yahay!! loool
The last time that I checked he is the current vice president of PL.
Babygirl- wrote:Cuqdada Iska saar Dhiig isgeli oo dadkaga Dhinaac ka raac. :idea: mise waxa rabta Dumarku ineey ku dagalaamn adna aad meel kale kadaba nageeysid? Ilahoow beey 100 rerkeyga ah puntland ama Somaliland racsanadaan walaahi i would not care for them Dhulbahante ha kale iga xiga!! stop saying Reerkeyga loo socda! they are public figures. wale ceynaya stop lying for them! and attacking others.
Maxaa cuqdad meesha keenay? Fikrado siyaasadeed oo kala duwan baa la qabaaye ma cuqdad baad mooday ninba si bay ugu muuqataa, meesha ma wax kalaa yaala. Meesha yaan wax iskaga kaa qaldami, cid la necebyahayna ma jirto.
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BabyG habaryar Ina Dahir is one the most honorable Dhulbahante men, magiciisa ha uga ciyaarin please.
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Habo he was representing Dhulbahante, why didn't he resign? if the ethiopians or cadde muse refused to attack Lasanod? that is my problem with him.
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Habaryar for the same reason that xagle toosiye was running for PL presidency lol.
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siren wrote:Habaryar for the same reason that xagle toosiye was running for PL presidency lol.
siren wallal what we put some jodeci on and make some kryptonite H :heart: kids. :) ;)
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Galmeygaag wrote: Puntland should give up in trying to adopt SSC to take advantage of them, despite having the capability Puntland does not help them so stop all this nacnac and conditions. when USC were running rampant in Gaalkacyo did Rer Caabudwaaq decide your future or did they just protect for Humanitarian reasons? you fail to do the same even though Dhollus are supposedly your Harti brother. when Qabiil is core to your belief system you are really F'ed up. lol
lol same old bullshit i don't want to change the subject but i have to say something about this. How many times did we discuss this? War mareexaan were the only tribe who surrendered 900 men to the USC, they were the ones who abonded their president in xamar. Caydiid captured the entire mareexaan degaan, gave victory speech in Dollow. The Mareexaan lost Dhuusamareeb and gelinsoor and haven't liberated it untill today. Wallahi mareexaan were the biggest losers during the civil war, none other darood clan lost so many battles and they were the only clan to loose land. Waryaa markaa how can you liberate others when you are the loser who surrendered 900 of its men and gave up two cities in mudug? Wax aad itartay iyo wax aad itaridoontid baa iska yar

Babygirl- wrote:We will build our own port if not, we will use the Southern Ports, Go through Ogadenia & Cabudwaq Dhulka Ilaheey wuu Badiyeey. :up: :idea:
lol and the dream continues, somali galbeed and cabudwaaq tooda heesato. Xataa jaadka reer cabudwaaq gaalkacyo buu kasoo dagaa lol.

1nemansquad, stop the blame game and playing the victim, nin rag buu alle kaa dhigay. You can blame MJ all you want, lakiin Xabsade and all the other jaamac siyaad the iidoor lackeys are your own adeers, go after them. Mj never brought iidoor to dhulbahante but Dhulbahante did



'alleylahee dhulbahante aan dhiman dhaxliyey iidoor' knock out line :down:
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abdalla stop bullshitting those cities were deserted during the kacaan you'll find those reer mudugs in Kismaayo. It is a well known fact that Marexaan defended the helpless in Galkacyo along with Leelkase, it was Marexaan who initiated Gen. Morgaan to liberate the souty and it was Marexaan who in only 8 months regrouped and liberated Beled Xawo to Kismaayo. Get your bullshit out of here it was basically Marexaan who are the Darood spearheaders including Gen Morgaan who was loyal to Marexaan at that time
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