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May I just emphasize on this point. People might forget after 10 pages. I have nothing against the Salafis as the original salafis and its teachings but the new ones in B’ham are honestly misleading people. they might share the name but not the action. and action speaks louder than words. Maybe not all of them but their leaders are misleading people. They make it seem that the religion is very hard thing. But it isn’t. That’s all.

First don’t get it twisted and mix the two issues please brother,

We are not talking about the da3wa salafiya..we are talking about the harm that masjid as salafi has inflicted on the ummah
some say they are the Abdullah bin Ubay bin Salul of this ummah i wouldn’t say that ..but i would say there even worse but that just my opinion.

Secondly is that how you measured haaq by the packed conferences, by the way in all the 7 years or more iv known the
masjid i never once seen ullamah or even shyukh, or student of knowledge come and give a talks, lecture,muxadro,friday khutba
apart from falaah ismail, anyway, most of the people who attended which i knew, left and gone to another masjid wa'lhamdulillah
all that is left it new people to the deen which is good in a way, little somalis whos having identity crises who for some reason never stay when
the somali "shiek" is holding a talk,and the whole masjid is empty but as soon as abu khadija is on they sit by hes feet like he is a mounting of knowledge, oh yeaa haaahaa where
were you when one brother challenged him to finish of a suraah in the second juz and he couldnt, but then again who could dispute with the 3alamah of
jaarh wa'l tabdee3 of the UK...

if you want to judge by numbers look at rahama when its summer conference, look at greenlane when sudais came, look at the sufis up the road when hamza yusuf turns up, numbers are nothing
without the haaq, i pray in rahma every now and then and youll be amazed how many revert brothers have left searching for the haaq, because they came into this deen wanting a better way out from
what they were on, only to find the same under the name of islam in the salafi masjid..you won’t believe how many revert sisters attend greenlane and rahma and have left the salafi masjid because they were chased up by abukhadij & co as second and 3rd wifes, but you have the young somali boys and girls flogin themselves at these people, subhanallah..wev become fixuated at this celeb culture of this country..who has more following, who speaks the street language, who has more blacks around him, its a deen not a bling bling deen akhi....akhi remember the statement of Muhammad ibn Sareen rahimahullah this is a matter or this knowledge is a matter of deen, so be careful who you take your deen from. so be careful who you take your deen from.

assalamu aleykum,

there is a difference between the way of the salaf us salih and the way of the people of ghuluu and Irjaah i.e these claiments to the way of the salaf such as this abu khadijah. lets get one clear first the dacwa of ashiek muhamed ibn abdul wahab (rahimahuallahwah) and the dacwah of the ulema of najd is the haq and right of every muslim. and this dacwah is not the dacwah which the likes of al madkhali and ubayd al jabaree, al anbari,ali al halabi, saleem al hilaali etc call to. rather these men do not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the likes of shiekh ul islaam ibn taymiyah (rahimahuallah). madhali and his likes call to the dacwah of the murjiaah and it was said of the murjiaah that they are upon the religion of the kings. And we dont see al madkhali and his blind followers talk against any injustice against the muslims, rather they harm the muslims that are striving in the cause of Allah.

And then they have the nerve to talk about the khawarij, from amongst the main sifaat of the khawarij was that they left the kufaar and harmed the muslims.

i could go on and bring the garbage which this abu khadijah sprouts but there is no need, i look at the leaders of their jamacaa. when you listen or read the books of madkhali you realise he aint no scholar. this is another irony the followers of this group , most of them have never listened to any of their shiekhs speak, rather they rely on being spoon fed by abu khadijah and co.

like the brother spirit said before me these guys dont know what knowledge is, as is evident if you go to their talks. like you have guys that cant read fatixah talking about jarx wa tacdeel and refuting scholars.

one more thing is this false claim of following the scholars, what they mean to say is you must follow our scholars. which adds up to about 5, and everyday they remove one from the list. at one point Ali al halabi was their imaam, nowadays its rabeec. i remeber 1 day when i gave a guy a fatwaa of shiekh ibn jibreen (rahimahuallah) this idiot looked at me and said " he is a miskeen, he has been refuted by the scholars" lol.. what scholars ? in other words madkhali didnt like him.

wa alaikuma salaaam

assalamu aleykum,

this a typical talk by this man, amazing he mocks abu hamza ( a muslim even if you disagree with him), he mocks this man because of his disability and asks for his head to be choped off. And after all this he asks for the jews to be left alone.

as sacid ibn jubair said 'The Murji'ah are the Jews of the Qiblah' and it is fitting that this man would defend his brothers.

Many converts come from broken families, are former thugs and gang members or ex convicts. Their problems are not going to go away by simply becoming Muslims. They have no community and are attracted to salafiyah because it provides them with a new focus and a sense of belonging. The new focus is to spread dawah salafiyah and to always attack other Muslims who do not agree with their point of view. Those people are not going to produce anything, they have high divorce rate and do not want to co-operate with mainstream muslims. They never address the problems they have in their homes or neighbourhoods but will discuss a simple fiqh issue to death. They are blindly loyal to the Saudis.

INTERNET HELPS A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT

REMEMEBER ALLAH IS WATCHING YOU

WHO EVER YOU BACKBITE THEY WILL GET THERE REWARD IN THE NEXT WORLD IF YOU DONT MAKE TAWBAH

I ADVICE YOU MY BROTHERS/SISTERS NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE DEEN OF ALLAH WITHOUT PROOF AND TO JUST STICK TO LEARNING YOUR DEEN AS YOU WILL BE QUESTIONED ABOUT IT

AND ASK ALLAH TO GUIDE YOU TO THE TRUTH AS HE IS THE BEST OF THE WAKEEL

MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US FOR ANYTHING WE SAY ABOUT HIS RELIGION AND THE PEOPLE WE BACKBITE

sc
akhi toby, remember what you said:

just remmmebr this is allah's deen notyour emotions that drive you to say anything you want and we all know elections is from the kufar and thats there legislation so no muslim should take part in it no matter who it is.

if you want to shout or cry go ahead as this deen is complete and it will go on with us or with out us and there will always be a group apprant on the truth nd who speak the truth.

Shiek Ibnu uthaimeen R.A

"I think that elections are obligatory; we should appoint the one who we think is good, because if the good people abstain, who will take their place? Evil people will take their place, or neutral people in whom there is neither good nor evil, but they follow everyone who makes noise. So we have no choice but to choose those who we think are fit.

If someone were to say: We chose someone but most of the parliament are not like that,

We say: It does not matter. If Allaah blesses this one person and enables him to speak the truth in this parliament, he will undoubtedly have an effect. But what we need is to be sincere towards Allaah and the problem is that we rely too much on physical means and we do not listen to what Allaah says. So nominate the one who you think is good, and put your trust in Allaah".
("Liqaa’aat Al Baab Al Maftooh, no. 210).

Source: http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/all/soun...le_16230.shtml




Shaykh Waseeullaah `Abbaas

English:

Question: The following question, from America, is about voting for those it is believed will benefit the Muslims. We are not asking about a Muslim entering into an election as a candidate, nor are we concerned about Federal elections. Rather, the question is about voting in local elections for those who have the authority to delegate plots of land to the Muslims, abandoned buildings, and other such benefits. If the Muslims don't vote for them, other groups will and, therefore, acquire these benefits. So, may Allah reward you well dear Shaykh, do you have any advice in this matter?

Shaykh: That which appears correct to me, Insha'Allaah, is that if some good is anticipated as a result of voting, then we vote. We vote for the candidate as long as he is presently benefiting the Muslims or promises to benefit the Muslims in the future, even if he is not a Muslim. It would be inappropriate for the Muslims to refrain from voting for this individual, especially if the leader of the Muslims can dictate terms, conditions, and other stipulations on him as a result of the Muslims voting. For example, the leader of the Muslims says, "We will vote for you on the condition that you support our interests, mention them to your superiors, etc." And this applies in any country where the Muslims are a minority, not just in America.
By voting the Muslims may gain needed influence over politicians and other authorities. In return, these politicians and authorities may do something that will benefit Islam and the Muslims. This is especially the case in local elections where, as you have mentioned, the one who wins may have the authority to give away plots of lands on which schools can be built. I am familiar with this because it is even practiced in India. In this instance, it is not befitting in the least for the Muslims to hesitate or delay voting for these candidates.

The Muslims should not hesitate to vote because withholding their votes will not harm these candidates in the least. They will win by the votes of non-Muslims regardless if the Muslims vote or not. For this reason, the Muslims should use their vote as a favor to these candidates. As a result, the Muslims will be placed in an advantageous position of influence over these candidates. When they feel that they are indebted to the Muslims, the Muslims can benefit from their empathy and their sympathetic views and understanding of Muslim causes. This is a general Islamic benefit required by the Islamic public interests. This is our belief.. Even Shaykh Bin Baz (may Allah have mercy on him), from what we have heard, used to rule with the permissibility of participating in elections. And for this, insha'Allah, we hope from Allah a good future for the Muslims in every land. If this affair brings good to the Muslims then it's not befitting to hesitate.


Source: http://madeenah.com/article.cfm?id=1211




Shaykh Abdul Muhsin Abbaad on voting

English:

Questioner: There is a question from America related to the ruling of Muslims living in non-Muslim countries who vote in local elections. Is it permissible for these Muslim minorities to vote in local elections if they believe that one of the candidates can benefit the Muslims by giving land, allowing them to give dawah, or other benefits?

Shaykh: There is no harm in voting for candidates who will be of more benefit to the Muslims than the others. In this instance, voting for them is an example of doing the lesser of two evils to avoid the greater evil. All of the candidates are disbelievers and, therefore, harmful. However, the candidate who is less harmful to the Muslims is better than the candidate whose harm is far greater.Questioner: For the one who says that voting is from the innovated means, for example ... ?

Shaykh: In any event, this is something evil with which the people have been afflicted. If people have two choices, one being abhorrent and the other also detestable but of less harm, which should the people choose? The people should choose the lesser of the two evils, correct? Even though the Roman Christians and the Persians are all disbelievers, the people were happy when the Roman Christians were victorious over the Persians.
Questioner: Some people oppose this by mentioning that they are not forced to vote in the first place?

Shaykh: What I have mentioned is based on the premise that some benefit for the Muslims may be attained by voting. However, if there is no benefit then they should not participate.

i hope insha~allah ull speak with knowledge of the fatawa of the ulamah...dont just speak from your haawa akhi al kareem...

Brother fisabillilah

walahi its like a soap opera in the last 10 years the da3wa has reached such a low level, because of the likes of the madkhali
and the likes of falah al xarbi, those who love the da3wa but are lazy to do any thinking for themselfs, you think theyll gain
any beneficial knowledge of the deen they claim they love.

please read http://umarlee.com/rise-and-fall-of-the ... -complete/


madkhali refers to falax al xarbi as the flag bearer of sunnah in this era, then they all fall out and they both do takfeer of one another.

khalid al murji'ee al 3anbari is exposed by sheik fawzan and his book is burned and banned in saudi arabia.

ubaid al jabri and the head of damaaj yaxyaa al hujoori go at it and call each other every name under the sun, xisbi's,bid3i's,this one is harming
the salafiya and this will be the downfall of the salafiya..latley they asking their followers to boycot the other camp and seeking assistance from other
murji'ees to strengthens their case.

saleem al hillali and al halabii refuting eachother as xisbis, and the book of the halabi is refuted by madkhali himself, althougth it was the halabi who brought
al madkhali all the fame in the west and introduced him into the uk.

if those are the heads of the salafiya, calling eachother names..Refuting & asking the "salafi world" to boycott the other, what do you think their
follower will be, alot worse, abu khadija vs abu usamah.,,masjid as salafi vs masjid al ghuraba or masjid as salafi vs masjid greenlane, or masjid as salafi vs brixton,
the brixton lot excused of spying the feds, and so on..masha~allah the da3wa is so healthy..

i rememebr when the fitna of abi'l hassan hit the uk, none of us knew about it, abu khadija and he's ilk began spreading up and down the country, at the time it
was a golden time young people who were being introduced into the da3wa, but instead they were introduced into slanderous refutations and lies upon lies, cardiff i reckon was
the worst hit place, one shikh got so terrorist, he took all he's family out of the country, and when he even had big ullamah backing him up with tazkiya on tapes, the misguided youth
Choose the words of abu-khadija and the lier hassan as somali over the ullamh...

akhi fisabilillah, i dare these youth to name one book by the rabi al madkhali, or mohamed al madkhali, or ubaid, or saleem, or al halabi, or alhujoori, i bet they can’t, those youth have dumbed
down the da3wa by not reading or writing, theyv chosen theyr preferred method of studying, which is conferences and nothing else. these salafi wanab's are only one trick pony, they dont want to learn but they quick to call you names based on ignorance and jahl….and will lie to say you are attacking the da3wa when all along its them who are killing this da3wa with their jahl..

in the words of the sheik fowzan :
وختامًا نقول : إننا بريئون من مذهب المرجئة ، ومن مذهب الخوارج والمعتزلة ، فمن كفره الله ورسوله فإننا نكفره ، ولو كرهت المرجئة ، ومن لم يكفره الله ولا رسوله فإننا لا نكفره ، ولو كرهت الخوارج والمعتزلة ، هذه عقيدتنا التي لا نتنازل عنها ولا نساوم عليها ـ إن شاء الله تعالى ـ ولا نقبل الأفكار الوافدة إلينا ، وصلي الله وسلم على نبينا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين

All these sects/sectarians are making a mockery of the diin. Why can't people just be MUSLIMS?!!

We all are muslims thats not the question and it really hasn't been for last thousand four hundred years, except for sporadic cases, but other than that if all stick to the correct aqidah and follow the path of the majority that has been here with us then there should be no problem. There is no need for reformation, we have been on the correct path for thousands of years and we should leave it at that

what a immature boi is this dusty shit. Ruined imteresting topic with hes childish comments. Grow up idiot.