Bilal(asxabi; companion of the Prophet(scw)was SOMALI

[Meyle]

Mujaahid its Friday and I am not in the mood of karbaashing u...please do not further embarrass yourself.
There is the city of Harer and the sultanate of Harer.

There were non somali and non oromo sultanate in that place...somalis prefered to work for them as mercenary .
Oromos prefered to destroy the sultanate replace it with the legendary Odaa Bultum and assimilate the existing population...
and here I am in front of u the son of Bareeytumaa Gadaa and descendant of Harer sultanate


B.

You Oromos can only live in your fantasy world... Thats why 50 million Oromos are subjugated by 5.5 million Tigray and before that 17 million Amhara. Keep dreaming, it won't get you anywhere but it will ease the pain.

[gurey25]

midigreez Yekuno amlak started the expansion but he had Damot, the manz, Ifat, Haddiya and a couple more kingdoms to go before he could meet somalis.
this was the late 1200's.
As far as i know ethiopians did not go past the muger river, which is north of Addis Abba today.

yekuna amlak and his decendents were a northern problem, you problem and maybe Ifats somalis were thousands of kilometers away.

Yekuna amlak turned his attention south and south east once he cemented his power in the north, anyway this is not the point we are trying to establish habesh invasion of somali land many centuries prior like the 4th century ad etc, thousands of somali infantry were in the ethiopian army under their kings only a 100 Years after, and many more somali's were fighting against gragn in 200 Years time from yekuna amlak alongside the ethiopian kings ranks so it is a definate that there was area's of somali under the control of ethiopians by then.

Midigreez the furthest south yekuna amlak went was when he conquered Damot an agew kingdom that was located north of todays Addis Ababa.
This is from Ethiopias own history and from western historian, please explain to me how Yekuno amlak goes past all those other kingdoms like the mezehel,warjix, fatagir, dawaro, haddiya, then you have the sidamo and the Ifat and then you come to the region around harar where you will run into somali nomads.
This is a huge area with lots of different people from Shoa all the way to harar.

this is the late 1200's 1285 to be exact when yekuno amlak dies.
50 years later you have his grandson amde seyon who is the first to see or meet somalis.
from the 1340; till 1540's you 200 years of conflict when muslims rebel and unite against the xabash and defeat, till you have ahmed gurey and his destruction of the ethiopian state.

Amde raid has not been repeated no ethiopian ever set foot east of Harar since then, till the 1890's.

You need to come up with a better explanation, because there was no large Ethiopian state before the 1300's.
Till their expansion in the 1300's Ethiopian or abbysianian who claim fictiuuos decent from Solomon were one of many kingdoms in the highlands.
and they were in gondar.


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[bareento]

Mujaahid its Friday and I am not in the mood of karbaashing u...please do not further embarrass yourself.
There is the city of Harer and the sultanate of Harer.

There were non somali and non oromo sultanate in that place...somalis prefered to work for them as mercenary .
Oromos prefered to destroy the sultanate replace it with the legendary Odaa Bultum and assimilate the existing population...
and here I am in front of u the son of Bareeytumaa Gadaa and descendant of Harer sultanate


B.

You Oromos can only live in your fantasy world... Thats why 50 million Oromos are subjugated by 5.5 million Tigray and before that 17 million Amhara. Keep dreaming, it won't get you anywhere but it will ease the pain.

same way claiming Imam Ahmed eases your pain?

I feel u Mujaahid
Why dont u step the claiming business and claim some sultanates in yemen etc...
it can be more rewarding in the fantasy world u live in.

B.

[Meyle]

Mujaahid its Friday and I am not in the mood of karbaashing u...please do not further embarrass yourself.
There is the city of Harer and the sultanate of Harer.

There were non somali and non oromo sultanate in that place...somalis prefered to work for them as mercenary .
Oromos prefered to destroy the sultanate replace it with the legendary Odaa Bultum and assimilate the existing population...
and here I am in front of u the son of Bareeytumaa Gadaa and descendant of Harer sultanate


B.

You Oromos can only live in your fantasy world... Thats why 50 million Oromos are subjugated by 5.5 million Tigray and before that 17 million Amhara. Keep dreaming, it won't get you anywhere but it will ease the pain.

same way claiming Imam Ahmed eases your pain?

I feel u Mujaahid
Why dont u step the claiming business and claim some sultanates in yemen etc...
it can be more rewarding in the fantasy world u live in.

B.

I don't claim Ahmed Gurey but facts are facts..

Most sources portray him as a Somali, few sources say that he was Arab, some say he was half Arab, half Somali, a so called Belew nonetheless, the city of Harar was built by Somalis and the fact remains that a city wall was built to keep your useless people out of the city. Adal and Ifat sultanate was muslim sultanates but it was predominantly Somali and few Afar but no Oromos.



So you can keep dreaming.

[KingBlack]

Imam Ahmed gurey grand grand grand kids r living in Saylac till now tha nigga is Abrain mahad case crazy oromos wallahi making shit up i just talk to some oromos yesterday and thy said thy greet each other 20 minutes lool asking like hows da road , hows da animals , hows da farm then we da 20 mins greeting is over thy can talk to u normally

[bareento]

Imam Ahmed gurey grand grand grand kids r living in Saylac till now tha nigga is Abrain mahad case crazy oromos wallahi making shit up i just talk to some oromos yesterday and thy said thy greet each other 20 minutes lool asking like hows da road , hows da animals , hows da farm then we da 20 mins greeting is over thy can talk to u normally

and wats your point?
In somaliland the whole population believes they r descendents of no less than the Prophet himself
claiming is no proof.

B.

[MidriGeez]

looool the question is why did ahmed gragn declared war with the ethiopian king, if you can answer this question i would expect you to delete this post. Hint ethiopian king was all over somali territory by the end of the 15th century.

Show me facts that validate your claims. Ethiopian kings were not all over Somali territory matter of fact they didn't even control the area today known as the Somali region of Ethiopia. He declared war in the first place to revenge his father in law who got killed by Ethiopians.

why was he killed?

He used to raid Ethiopians mainly targeting Amhara and during a battle near the Awash river he was killed. You still have no proof that Somalis and our land was under Ethiopian control. Its pure bullshit![/quote]

well that is the problem, according to all the sources that Ethiopians were battling animist/pagan tribes in the south and south east of north ethiopia and every source claim that it was raid and counter raid till the ethiopians cemented their invasion later in time, the problem is there was no civilization nor cities belonging to those groups as their movement was fully Nomadic in nature and used hit and run tactic, in short there was nothing to occupy or defend in south or south east ethiopia 1500 years ago, which makes me more convinced that Bilal RA parents might have been captured in one of those skirmishes. There was a fully slave trade between the ethiopian habesh king and arabian tribes, so if Bilaal Parents were sold as slaves they either have to be from the sea kingdom Confiderncy or southern ethiopian tribes which includes somali. Bilaal parents didn't speak tigre or Geez the tongue of the agazians rather Arabic and unspecified Language, if they spoke geez they would have found a way to unslave themselves since the Himyar prince was an ally and frequent visitor to the Sea kingdom and even had pacts to free any slaves obtained from sea kingdoms. Remember that 50% of the Eritrean Tribes founf today was In arabia during those time, the Hidarebs (Al hidarebi), many of the habab and bani amer tribes, many of the saho tribe like asa wurta,silato,minferie and alot of the belew kelew late wave were still in arabia and around towns like taif etc, Remember that the Higaz region is named after many of those tribes Aga3z Area, my argument is Qabil name existed for people in eritrea for thousands of Years there is no way that if bilal was from Eritrea no one would mention it, there is a reason he is unknown origin because to the arabs the ethiopian southern tribes were unknown to the arabs.

[MidriGeez]

midigreez Yekuno amlak started the expansion but he had Damot, the manz, Ifat, Haddiya and a couple more kingdoms to go before he could meet somalis.
this was the late 1200's.
As far as i know ethiopians did not go past the muger river, which is north of Addis Abba today.

yekuna amlak and his decendents were a northern problem, you problem and maybe Ifats somalis were thousands of kilometers away.

Yekuna amlak turned his attention south and south east once he cemented his power in the north, anyway this is not the point we are trying to establish habesh invasion of somali land many centuries prior like the 4th century ad etc, thousands of somali infantry were in the ethiopian army under their kings only a 100 Years after, and many more somali's were fighting against gragn in 200 Years time from yekuna amlak alongside the ethiopian kings ranks so it is a definate that there was area's of somali under the control of ethiopians by then.

Midigreez the furthest south yekuna amlak went was when he conquered Damot an agew kingdom that was located north of todays Addis Ababa.
This is from Ethiopias own history and from western historian, please explain to me how Yekuno amlak goes past all those other kingdoms like the mezehel,warjix, fatagir, dawaro, haddiya, then you have the sidamo and the Ifat and then you come to the region around harar where you will run into somali nomads.
This is a huge area with lots of different people from Shoa all the way to harar.

this is the late 1200's 1285 to be exact when yekuno amlak dies.
50 years later you have his grandson amde seyon who is the first to see or meet somalis.
from the 1340; till 1540's you 200 years of conflict when muslims rebel and unite against the xabash and defeat, till you have ahmed gurey and his destruction of the ethiopian state.

Amde raid has not been repeated no ethiopian ever set foot east of Harar since then, till the 1890's.

You need to come up with a better explanation, because there was no large Ethiopian state before the 1300's.
Till their expansion in the 1300's Ethiopian or abbysianian who claim fictiuuos decent from Solomon were one of many kingdoms in the highlands.
and they were in gondar.


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Gurey i Fully undertsand where you coming from, But all i want to know is what evidence is there for any somali concentration or state during or prior to Yekuna amlak taking power from za-agwe dynasty??? I even read they existed in wollo region due to their nomadic nature. its hard to invade a nomadic people with no stronghold in a city or a region. for 1000 Years the confrontation between ethiopians and somali was in the form of raids so major military confrontation didn't take place only took place when the southern tribes which include somali presented a major challenge.

[Meyle]

well that is the problem, according to all the sources that Ethiopians were battling animist/pagan tribes in the south and south east of north ethiopia and every source claim that it was raid and counter raid till the ethiopians cemented their invasion later in time, the problem is there was no civilization nor cities belonging to those groups as their movement was fully Nomadic in nature and used hit and run tactic, in short there was nothing to occupy or defend in south or south east ethiopia 1500 years ago, which makes me more convinced that Bilal RA parents might have been captured in one of those skirmishes. There was a fully slave trade between the ethiopian habesh king and arabian tribes, so if Bilaal Parents were sold as slaves they either have to be from the sea kingdom Confiderncy or southern ethiopian tribes which includes somali. Bilaal parents didn't speak tigre or Geez the tongue of the agazians rather Arabic and unspecified Language, if they spoke geez they would have found a way to unslave themselves since the Himyar prince was an ally and frequent visitor to the Sea kingdom and even had pacts to free any slaves obtained from sea kingdoms. Remember that 50% of the Eritrean Tribes founf today was In arabia during those time, the Hidarebs (Al hidarebi), many of the habab and bani amer tribes, many of the saho tribe like asa wurta,silato,minferie and alot of the belew kelew late wave were still in arabia and around towns like taif etc, Remember that the Higaz region is named after many of those tribes Aga3z Area, my argument is Qabil name existed for people in eritrea for thousands of Years there is no way that if bilal was from Eritrea no one would mention it, there is a reason he is unknown origin because to the arabs the ethiopian southern tribes were unknown to the arabs.

You must be smoking some good shit.


Ahmed Gureys father in law raided Amhara during the 15th century. Somalis were muslim and not pagans at that time because Somalis adopted Islam approximately the 8th - 9th century. Some say even before that. Bilal was Habesh, either Ethiopian or Eritrean, deal with it. Btw there's no logic in your arguments so I rest my case.

[gurey25]

Gurey i Fully undertsand where you coming from, But all i want to know is what evidence is there for any somali concentration or state during or prior to Yekuna amlak taking power from za-agwe dynasty??? I even read they existed in wollo region due to their nomadic nature. its hard to invade a nomadic people with no stronghold in a city or a region. for 1000 Years the confrontation between ethiopians and somali was in the form of raids so major military confrontation didn't take place only took place when the southern tribes which include somali presented a major challenge.

when the southern tribes which include somali presented a major challenge.
im sorry but somalis were not part of these southern tribes, somalis and afar were distant nomads that had links to Adal.
I have a gurgura dir friend who claims the warjeex are a gurgura clan and they were mentioned by xabsh chronicles ,
they were one of the main centres of rebellion against amde seyon.
but they are still in the area of harar.
The rest of the tibes were mainly settled, lived in towns and cultivated crops,
only the manz were described as nomads, today they are part of amhara , they were muslim but are extremist orthodox christians.

The warjeex are pert of the Oromo today, just like the majority of the tribes mentioned in futux al xabsah and other earlier works.

[gurey25]

anyway we should stop this debate now, because the slave trade was controlled by muslims,
the coast was controlled by muslims, the trading networks muslim.

if a somali or any muslim form southern ethiopia ends up as a slave, he would dissapear into the ethiopian highlands, after getting caught in battle,
he wouldnt end up in the international market,
non-muslim captives would end up there

[MidriGeez]

well that is the problem, according to all the sources that Ethiopians were battling animist/pagan tribes in the south and south east of north ethiopia and every source claim that it was raid and counter raid till the ethiopians cemented their invasion later in time, the problem is there was no civilization nor cities belonging to those groups as their movement was fully Nomadic in nature and used hit and run tactic, in short there was nothing to occupy or defend in south or south east ethiopia 1500 years ago, which makes me more convinced that Bilal RA parents might have been captured in one of those skirmishes. There was a fully slave trade between the ethiopian habesh king and arabian tribes, so if Bilaal Parents were sold as slaves they either have to be from the sea kingdom Confiderncy or southern ethiopian tribes which includes somali. Bilaal parents didn't speak tigre or Geez the tongue of the agazians rather Arabic and unspecified Language, if they spoke geez they would have found a way to unslave themselves since the Himyar prince was an ally and frequent visitor to the Sea kingdom and even had pacts to free any slaves obtained from sea kingdoms. Remember that 50% of the Eritrean Tribes founf today was In arabia during those time, the Hidarebs (Al hidarebi), many of the habab and bani amer tribes, many of the saho tribe like asa wurta,silato,minferie and alot of the belew kelew late wave were still in arabia and around towns like taif etc, Remember that the Higaz region is named after many of those tribes Aga3z Area, my argument is Qabil name existed for people in eritrea for thousands of Years there is no way that if bilal was from Eritrea no one would mention it, there is a reason he is unknown origin because to the arabs the ethiopian southern tribes were unknown to the arabs.

You must be smoking some good shit.


Ahmed Gureys father in law raided Amhara during the 15th century. Somalis were muslim and not pagans at that time because Somalis adopted Islam approximately the 8th - 9th century. Some say even before that. Bilal was Habesh, either Ethiopian or Eritrean, deal with it. Btw there's no logic in your arguments so I rest my case.

i am not really talking about the 16th century, i am focusing more on the 4th and 5th century AD. apart from north somaliland till this day there hasn't been an extensive artifact evidence shown of an existence to a city or a settlement in what today interior somali region nor what is ogaden region dating back to that time. i would claim bilaal as an eritrean anyday and i would never shy of it, He had an ethiopian origin most likely his parent or ancestor captured in one of the raids against the Animist somali or oromo Savages at that time

[MidriGeez]

Gurey i Fully undertsand where you coming from, But all i want to know is what evidence is there for any somali concentration or state during or prior to Yekuna amlak taking power from za-agwe dynasty??? I even read they existed in wollo region due to their nomadic nature. its hard to invade a nomadic people with no stronghold in a city or a region. for 1000 Years the confrontation between ethiopians and somali was in the form of raids so major military confrontation didn't take place only took place when the southern tribes which include somali presented a major challenge.

when the southern tribes which include somali presented a major challenge.
im sorry but somalis were not part of these southern tribes, somalis and afar were distant nomads that had links to Adal.
I have a gurgura dir friend who claims the warjeex are a gurgura clan and they were mentioned by xabsh chronicles ,
they were one of the main centres of rebellion against amde seyon.
but they are still in the area of harar.
The rest of the tibes were mainly settled, lived in towns and cultivated crops,
only the manz were described as nomads, today they are part of amhara , they were muslim but are extremist orthodox christians.

The warjeex are pert of the Oromo today, just like the majority of the tribes mentioned in futux al xabsah and other earlier works.

Wait are you talking about 15th century or 5th century??? Forget ahmed gragn and his days i am talking about 1500 years ago. are you saying somali are afars?? or somali were allies of afars?? there is 2 different terminology here we need to define, Adal and adulite. you might think both are the same but its not, adal is a sultanate in east ethiopia/somalia (e.g harar) dating back to maybe 1000 Years at most, Adulite is a saho word which was part of the southern kingdom of the Eritrean empire which included Punt/D'mt/axumite and the beja confiderncy, the latter 2 stages were mostly dominated By belew kelew waves, adulite incoporated Saho and afar population and centered around the cities like Qohioto/matara/adu-la/Hargigo/Zula Etc. Adulite is a strictly Saho Kingdom with afar linkage.i know what does adulite means in saho because it is a saho word but i hope you are not getting the 2 names confused, Adal only existed at the turn of the century while adulite kingdom was pre axumite 4000 years or more all the way to the punt days however the last 3000 years it was taken over by the "belew" AKA "agazyans" waves. The afars of Eritrea have many belew Mixed with in their subclans and according to them the belew kelew came directly from saho and tigre Qabils who came in many waves stretching from 3000 years ago.

[MidriGeez]

anyway we should stop this debate now, because the slave trade was controlled by muslims,
the coast was controlled by muslims, the trading networks muslim.

if a somali or any muslim form southern ethiopia ends up as a slave, he would dissapear into the ethiopian highlands, after getting caught in battle,
he wouldnt end up in the international market,
non-muslim captives would end up there

when do you think somali became muslims? apart from the fringes of north somaliland?

[MenaceToSociety]

ive also published in my famous blog using Midgeez's argument... my(no space)hajj.blogspot.com