Northern Harti and Isaaq: Political Enemies

[X.Playa]

What kind of claptrap buffoonery is this son of Kuul Carre Madhibe spewing? In one post he claims Somali historians are kacaan revisionists and the British diaries are gospel to be taken word for word and now he posts another Somali called Axmed Aden and its suddenly reliable because it fits your narrative?



Somebody call the Buddha shaman this man is seriously confused

Your I.Q are depleted from all that Arab blow job. Axmed Aadan and Deria Magan were two Somalis who were contemporary of the Mullah not some mareexaan boon called Idaajaa. Thats the difference. They had zero agenda to lie about who was there and what clan and what were their objective.


Just a day later after Magans interview the mullahs at the Tariiqa sent this letter pleading with the authority to be left alone.

Inclosure 2 in No. 1

Haji Muhammad Abdullah to the
Vice-Consul,Berbera. (No date. Received
May 3, 1899)

“Praise be to God in all
matters, and the blessing of
God on our Prophet and his
descendants, who are the best
of men. This letter is sent by
all the Dervishes, the Amir,
and all the Dolbahanta to the
Ruler of Berbera. We say
that we complain against you
and against your subjects.
Our camels are oppressed by
you. We assist your
Biladiyahs, and turn away
those who backbite you; but
you do not guard our
reputation, and do not turn away
those who backbite us. We
inform you that there is peace
in all the country; there is
no fear.

“Secondly, I ask you, by God,
by your Prophet, by your
religion, and by your Church,
do not create a disturbance
in the country, do not ruin
the country, for there is no
harm on us if we leave your
country, and drink our own
milk, and eat our own meat. I
ask you, by God, by your
Prophet, by your religion, and
by your Church do not
create disturbance in the
country; for if you oppress us,
beat our people, take our money,
and imprison our people,
we will leave coming to your
country, and the country will
be ruined. We are a
Government, we have a Sultan, an
Amir, and Chiefs, and
subjects. And how much of wisdom
and forethought have we? “This
is what we have written, and salaam.”

Up to then there was no hostility only when the story if the supposedly christianized children was propagated among the dervish by Sultan Nur did the incident took a religious rebellious tune and thats after June 1899 when Nuur claimed he met some Catholic missionaries with converted children while sojourning in the Tariiqa in june-july 1899.

[grandpakhalif]

Who compiled these so called reports was it from the scribes of Lo'Jir Rer Dood hindu scripturebible or Kuul Carre holy scribes?

[X.Playa]

Who compiled these so called reports was it from the scribes of Lo'Jir Rer Dood hindu scripturebible or Kuul Carre holy scribes?

Well one thing fore sure this isn't your average Kacaan propganagda. Who compiled it? Its pretty obvious if you can read.

[Xildiiid]

Give up the cheerleading you Boon Marexaar imbecile.

The Kacaan lies have been destroyed by the same sources the Kacaan revisionists "used".

[grandpakhalif]

Yawn, same old calaacal, no proofs just British colonial scribbling from a scotch drunken buddhist, im going to sleep.

[X.Playa]

Yawn, same old calaacal, no proofs just British colonial scribbling from a scotch drunken buddhist, im going to sleep.

Harmless buffoon.

[Ben Dover]

What Xplaya is presenting - rather successfully I might add, just observe how dumbfounded qurjis have become of late- is the simple fact that the British, in documenting that period and their engagement with the Darwish, were unbiased in discussing the tribal makeup of that terrorist organisation, as they were essentially at war with them. What the boon and qurjis are attempting here is to insinuate the British were either exaggerating their own heroics or belittling 'achievement' of dervish terrorists, which is neither the case nor the argument presented.

To the British, all of the Darwish were the enemy, be it Sayid siigeyste or the mostly Isaaq top tier leadership and even the Dhulbahante foot soldiers.

They have preserved and documented first hand accounts, their chronology is free from clan bias.

Even the massive anti Isaaq and Dhulo cheerleader Markus V. Höhne accepts this much:



Thanks in no small part to Xman's war on your revisionism

You have nothing to be proud of today, so you lie to yourselves that you were once great. It actually quite sad.

[X.Playa]

Do you have the part where he asked Lewis and John Drysdale if they witnessed the Dhulbahante obsessive glorification of the dervish now during their research and travels among the Dhulbahante in the 1950s. Both authors stated its a new political and cultural ploy adopted recently and it never existed in the 50s.

The Dhulbahante in the 50s were well aware of the destruction the dervish unleashed upon them. After the Kacaan with the help of Aw jaamac and Idaajaa and radio Moqdisho and the somali academy and the building of the Mullah statutes a new history was invented for the Dhulbahante as the foot soldiers of the crazed prophet the mad mullah and as Afweyne envisioned himself to be the mullah incarnate he made the Dhulbahante also his snitches and foot soldier and he gave them a government sponsored monopoly on anything dervish including the newly created Ciidamada Daraawiishta commanded by Koosafaare whom ironically the dervish excuted his father Faarax Dacay in 1911 for defecting to the British and whom also the dervish excuted his grandfather Maxamuud Sugulle in 1909. The irony.

[Ben Dover]

Totally forgot about that!



God damn!

This is all a recent construct, mind you, this is the biggest Dhulbahantophile stating it.

[X.Playa]

He is right on the money with the exception to the last sentence. It was consciously revived during the Afweyne regime to give the Daarood a nationalist legacy albeit a fake one.

[AwRastaale]

Damn you Idoors are rurhless. You completely decimated the poor Dhulos and co.

This topic should be archived so kids who need expert sources on how to destroy someone, a group of people or lies can use it in their university assignments.

[balwarama]

You people are very naive. If you believe that anybody would buy your garbage, qouted from the same arrogant occupiers, that was engaged by the Dervishes. As for the English not having clan biases, well I could only say, give me a break, f-king friendly tribes. I want people to remember, there was something called friendly tribes. Cant you find a somewhat credible Somali source to back up ur spirited attempt, to exonerate your ancestors. Your most educated man at the time and your Nationalist poets have either confirmed and given the seal of approval to Awjaamacs narations or reminisced themselves in their poetic lines. Allahayow Darwiishkii. The Sayid wasnt a saint but unlike the International Wahabists, he was a nationalist. Both his friends and foes have attested to his nationalist credentials. He had no agenda beyond Nairobi, which is the border between the Somalis and the Masai

[balwarama]

it is no secret that Isaaq specially Habarjeclo were emancipated by the arrival of the white men at the Somali shore visa vis The Dhulbahante. Anybody that wants to know more about this can read luetenant Spekes dairies in the 1850s, long before any Biritish invasion of the Somalilands. The british have faced a formidable enemy in the Dervishes. Xplaya is stupid if he thinks, that any sane person will buy Colonel Swaynes narations of the events. The very same man, who was leading the expeditions against the Dervishes. It is laughable to qoute the 'enemy' in an argument. One of the things to look out for in a court of law is, first something called motivation and bias. The English had the motivation to potray Mr Mohamed Abdullah in a bad light after all they named him, the Mad Mullah. Because in their arrogant mind, they couldnt fathom, that an African was willing to engage in an armed struggle with the British Empire. P.S: did anyone of read the NewyorkTimes despatches from the area in 1913. I recommend

[Sharmarke91]

That wasn't the issue. The issue was your contention that the dervish were only your clan in addition to the ogaden. A myth Lewis quoted from Aw Jaamac.

Nobody said the entire Dervish movement was made up of only Dhulbahante and Ogadeen. However, the vast majority of the Dervishes hailed from the afore mentioned clans, and all other Somali clans took a minor role in the liberation movement. Additionally, am not denying that some Dhulbahante, limited they maybe, were against the Dervish movement.

The Dervishes were a grassroots movement that gained momentum due to the increasing intensity of hostility between the British and Somalis. Inevitability. It's membership increased among the Dhulbahante and Ogaaden clans, because they were his maternal and paternal clans. The Dhulbahante clans contributed the most and bared the brunt of the conflict, because the battles and conflict played out in our territory.

Also, if you want to argue that the Dervish movement were not mostly Dhulos & OGs, post non biased accounts and historical narrative. There is no doubt that the British's intention was to subdue the Somali people and to do that they would divide to rule.

Honestly speaking I would of preferred the Dhulbahante didn't go to such lengths to loss half of their population, because we don't get any thanks or acknowledgment from the very people we strived to liberate.

[X.Playa]

Any evidence? Beside your Daarood faith that the dervish were your clan?