How come there is no archaeological evidence of Prophet Sulaiman?

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Cigaal, weligaaba doc ka yeer oo dadka ku dhega hadla ayaad ahayd ee ama doodda si saani ah uga qeyb qaado

as i stated no point in arguing with a wall. i will keep making dua for you guys thou

I saw you throwing around these silly jibes at me several times before and I ignored them

LOLWUT? when? receipts? aar malaha siday sheegayeen waad cabsantahay duhurkaa cad

but now you're getting on my nerves, dude.

Aar bal budka dhig dhiig-karkii ay kugu sheegayeena waakan

"Murtad". Is that supposed to be an insult? I'm murtad iyo bar and I am proud. Anything else?

No, murtid or mulxid isnt an insult, waa waxaad tahay

jokes aside thou, i was a bit taken back when i read your comment. because i have never said anything bad or condescending abt you, the only thing i remember saying abt your gaalnimo is that you are the only atheist who doesnt badmouth our religion, god and prophet (or so i thought) hence why i smh when i read ur offensive comments like sky-daddy in this thread. other than that i am pretty much "lakum diinakum waliya diin"

[Twist]

Dhiig-kar, you say? I wonder where I read that recently! Do you, by any chance, have access to members' private messages, or that was just a coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences. "Hashu maankeygu gaddaye ma masaar bey liqday" ayaan maqli jiray.

And yeah, I am not Muslim so that means I drink alcohol. That says a lot about your mentality. And by the way, Islam automatically sentenced me to death for just leaving the religion, so I have every right to criticize it. And having said that, as I have mentioned several times in the past, I don't derive pleasure from calling Islam names for the sake of it and provoking Muslims for no reason. When there's a discussion/debate, then people will say what they think of any given subject, and it's up to the participants of such discussion where that discussion will head. If you don't like seeing what I, or others, say about your beliefs then either defend it, or ignore it. It's as simple as that.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Yes, i can read them lool@ islam sentenced to death, you sound like chris cantwell you can criticize islam and debate without calling our god,prophet names. does it make you guys feel better about your murtadnimo when you mock/insult ilaahay? if you're content with your mulxidnimo you shouldnt feel the need to insult. anywho, rabinaa yahdiina kulunaa. G'night/day.

[Twist]

If you haven't realized, the insults and name-calling is called being a human, and 99% of the time it's a reaction to your likes who feel the need to lecture, to insult, and threaten as a last resort anyone who left Islam, and Somalis are the worst offenders in that department. I don't believe in 'rabinaa' and the allah you keep talking about any more, so what's the point of praying for me and others like me? Do you all pray for your Muslim "brothers and sisters" who happened to be Somalis from all other tribes? Aryaa nifaaqa igala tag! If you Somalis even cared and were honest about Islam they wouldn't have been killing each other for decades.

[HayWire]

qalalax Twist qum qin qax

[WiredForGood]

It took three of them, plus Basra Buuran, to go on and on with me for over a week now, and there's nothing original from them. Same old stories and exaggerated claims with no substance, as usual. Though I fully disagree with his conviction, at least I can understand and respect the way WiredForGood puts forward his argument and sticks to his guns. It's the two other guys that I find annoying, as they add nothing of value to the discussion, other than repetitive niic.

Dude, we have lives outside the net. Hold on to your horses. At least, you are better than Xildiid.

[WiredForGood]

d/p

[WiredForGood]

You regurgitating the same old 'asaadhiirul awaliin', as your holy book ironically calls them, makes your statements neither logical nor factual. They're simply the claims and assertions found in Islam, as well as in many other religions. "God gave us/you free will and will punish you eventually if you don't do as he says", while all that there's in the world is multitude of contradicting, illogical, and inhumane texts from thousands of years ago. And no, you haven't given me a single answer from the list of all the anti-scientific claims in the Koran and ahadith that I listed a couple of posts ago yet. All you did was, just like you've done in this quote, regurgitate those same old superstitious statements found in the Koran that I have been hearing all my life. That doesn't prove jack shit. If that were a proof I, together with many other ex-Muslims, would be believers now.

Mate, all you're doing here is wordplay and making unfounded and unverifiable assertions. Yes, I can't disprove the existence of a higher power, or a creator, in the same way that you can't prove the existence of such a being. The difference is, you believe the religion you were born into happens to be the true one and wanna take a chance on it, and I don't wanna limit my life on a nonsense prose and stories that are unsatisfactory as a command from a higher being who created the world.

May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.
His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.
He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flame
And his wife [as well] - the carrier of firewood.
Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fiber.

Such a silly prose isn't what inspires me as a divine scripture. You are not different from the Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist who was born into a household that believes in and practices one of those religions, who is convinced that their religion is the true religion. Nothing more than childhood indoctrination and brainwashing, mate. If that fills an emotional void in you, then knock yourself out. I grew out of that stuff.

Let us see the Verdict of other Non muslim and non arab known individuals who took interest in reading the Quran:

Person 1 ) Goethe says,

“It soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence… Its style, in accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand – ever and always, truly sublime – So, this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent influence.”
[Goethe – quoted in T. P. Huges “Dictionary of Islam”, p. 526]


Person 2 )


“The Koran (Quran) admittedly occupies an important position among the great religious books of the world. Though it is the youngest of the epoch making works belonging to this class of literature, it yields to hardly any in the wonderful effect which it has produced on large masses of men. It has created an all but new phase of human thought and a fresh type of character. It first transformed a number of heterogeneous desert tribes of the Arabian Peninsula into a nation of heroes, and then proceeded to create the vast politico-religious organizations of Muslims world wide which are one of the great forces with which Europe and the East have to reckon with today.”
[G. Maragliouth in his Introduction to J. M. Rodwells – ‘The Koran”, New York – ‘Everyman’s Library, 1977, p VI]

Person 3 )


“In making the present attempt to improve on the performance of my predecessors, and to produce something which might be accepted as echoing however faintly the sublime rhetoric of the Arabic Koran, I have been at pain to study the intricate and richly varied rhythms which – apart from the message itself – constitute the Koran’s undeniable claim to rank amongst the greatest literary masterpieces of mankind..

This very characteristic feature – ‘that inimitable symphony’, as the believing Pickthall described his Holy Book, ‘the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy’ has been almost totally ignored by previous translators; it is therefore not surprising that what they have wrought sounds dull and flat indeed in comparison with the splendidly decorated original..” [Arthur J. Arberry – “The Koran Interpreted”, London: Oxford University Press . 1964, p. x.]



How many more do you want me to quote? No one with knowledge of Arabic and languages disputes how the Quran is superior to any book that is of religious nature. Arab elites at the time of the prophet tried hard and failed to discredit it. The non muslim elite Quraysh men used to listen to the Quran in secrecy and in the dark and then used to feel threatened by its prose and inimitability to the point where they sought to prevent others from listening to it. They knew the power it had and the ability for it to influence and sway hearts and minds. See the men I quoted dude.


You are an amateur nomad struggling to justify the love of his bottle lol.

[Basra-]

Wired


Mashalaah


I love the last review u posted for Quran. On the nail. I think Quran is a proof of the existence of Alaah swt . Wallee iyo bille ! No human can come up with that beautiful compilation of knowledge and knowhow. I mean, historically, all literature usually stem from some where else. Another literature. Where can u say, Quran stems from? Human authors usually are inspired by a book, influenced by it, and they go and write one similar to their original inspiration. Quran stands by itself in style and effect on people. It is the first story telling book that tells humanity who their God is, and what is in their best interest. Its like humanity was in the dark before the deliverance of the holly book!

[WiredForGood]

It took three of them, plus Basra Buuran, to go on and on with me for over a week now, and there's nothing original from them. Same old stories and exaggerated claims with no substance, as usual. Though I fully disagree with his conviction, at least I can understand and respect the way WiredForGood puts forward his argument and sticks to his guns. It's the two other guys that I find annoying, as they add nothing of value to the discussion, other than repetitive niic.

They love to throw around terms like kafir and murtad as if they're morally superior because they adhere to a religion that believes one should stone adulterers because the example was set by a group of monkies according to hadith from Sahih al Bukhari.


They cannot explain why there are excerpts from Ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian wisdom texts etc. in the Quran, Torah and Hebrew Bible (Old Testament).

For instance, the law of Hammurabi is found in the Quran and Hammurabi was a sun worshipping pagan according to Muslim standards yet his eye for an eye is a legitimate punitive measure. The entire book of proverbs is plagiarized from the instructions of Amenemope and many of the quotes (guidance) found in the Maxims of Ptahhotep are reoccurring themes in the Abrahamic faiths.

The Jews and Ayrabs plagiarized from civilizations that were light years ahead of them and they hated these civilizations because of their achievements. Hence the curse of Ham and the character assasination of the Ancient Egyptians, Phoenicians and Babylonians etc. in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

I'll rather believe in the words of Ptahhotep than some Ayrab desert dweller.

Ptahhotep.

Common sense in people is inline with what is instinctively Godly. If they wrote an eye for an eye, that is what Adam taught his children and subsequent generations taught the same. It is simple logic to impose such just punishment on humans. So Islam is not violating the established norms of societies but reinforcing it. Yet, you and twist use this fact as a problem for Islam. Just laughable. Sad every amateur has a keyboard and can write basic English.

Bax siilaanyo kobaha u buraash Jabhadkaa tahay cune. Mooryaan

[Xildiiid]

Hammurabis laws are pre Biblical laws, meaning that they're older than Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Islam in this case, a monotheistic religion, is reinforcing the laws of a known pagan and sunworshipper. The very existence of Hammurabi contradicts the tenets of Islam, unless the so called holy scriptures of the 3 monotheistic faiths are partially based on existing wisdom texts from older civilizations.

I couldnt care less about Siilaanyo. Why inject the current president of Somaliland in our discussion.

[Basra-]

Xildiid aka Xplaya


Forget about Hammurabis and Hammu ass wipes talk about the Quran itself! Wont u agree it is a most amazing holy literature in its own right? lol

[Xildiiid]

I don't have a problem with the Quran.

[Basra-]

I don't have a problem with the Quran.

Great! Xildiid---I actually respect u for saying that! mashalaah!

[WiredForGood]

Hammurabis laws are pre Biblical laws, meaning that they're older than Judaism, Christian and Islam.

Islam in this case is reinforcing the laws of a known pagan and sunworshipper. How is that possible?

I couldnt care less about Siilaanyo. Why inject the current president of Somaliland in our discussion.

Human civilizations existed always and retained some teachings of their prophetic messages. Hammurabi or Aztec, Shaman or Ancient Somalis, they all had their beliefs with roots in a prophetic message originally. Human beings always had a message from their creator and as time went on, and subsequent generations passed information to one another about God, additions were made into the original teachings that sought to elaborate or take something out. Then a messenger came always to reteach the Originals as it was. Islam in its wisdom exactly and logically follows that tradition and God through the Quran says what we read is what was established on earth always. It is natural then to find similarities with ancient or more recent civilizations. This is not a surprise to a muslim. Perhaps you guys are lying to us here and claim you are Somali and grew up among Somalis, cause, what I am arguing here is or should be common knowledge. Muslims support and follow earlier civilizations who believed in God in their original forms. Here what Muslims must say according to the creator with regards to religions and nations of the past:

Allah told his prophet to say(and by extension muslims are supposed to say also):

(O Prophet!) Say: 'We believe in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and to Issac and Jacob and his descendants, and the teachings which Allah gave to Moses and Jesus and to other Prophets. We make no distinction between any of them and to Him do we submit. And whoever seeks a way other than Islam (the way of submission), will find that it will not be accepted from him and in the Life to come he will be among the losers.
Imran - 85-84


"Our Lord! we believe in what you have revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness." Imran - 53



Saxib, this is the beauty of Islam. Accepting all other religions and cultures with regards to religion when they match the Original. Islam is here to lead people back to the Original message that was consistent throughout human civilizations. The purpose of man is to worship God therefore, they had only one teaching with different laws that fit their need and time.

This is simple logic man. Now, I do accept and understand gaalnimada qofak waayo isaga un bay dhibaysaa. But nomads should get educated so they don't blame Islam for their lack of faith out of ignorance. And if it is out malicious intent like some have, then they won't go too far before they are embarrassed.

Capito waryaa masuuliyad-diid?