Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

[Gubbet]

You want to know what is historical revisionism?

Tearing pages off of books you originally were drafted to physically archive as a well known Somali scholar and yet 100% of those randomly torn pages all coincidentally happen to have in common a direct reference to Marehan historically.

And before anyone asks me for evidence, I am going to preempt your question because there are numerous convos we have had as Marehan about these lively little displays of petty resentment against us constantly coming before us in ways most Somali groups can't even imagine.

An instance

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/postin ... 32e5553b19

It is worse than that. Much worse.

So in some of the Somali linked repositories, I have noticed quite a bit of the books have had historical references to Marehan or Darod ripped out. I mean it is basically proverbially ripping out because the pages have not been included in the photocopy uploaded.

Once is possibly an accident or mistake....twice is suspicious...third time is clearly a pattern----

Speaking to INTENTIONALLY removed from the record for an tribal reason as the missing pages are all in referencen to ONE clan family.

I will give you an example ;

One of my most memorable debates is with Xildiiid who was pilfering the same load of crap about the Somali language he posted everywhere.


1. There is a linguist called Lamberti who is one of the most cited on Somali language
2. He wrote a book called Di Somali Dialekte or something like that (German) in 1982-83
3. For his presentation for the 1986 Somali studies conference, a concise smaller primet of 30 pages was made of his book
4. The primer said the base of Somali language was "Northern Somali" and in another part said "proper northern Somali" is basically Northwestern or Waqooyi Galbeed
5. The Xildiid brain basically went Northern Somalia = Isaaq so the base of standard Somali is Isaaq and oh yeah, proper = best.

I basically said, no..... The reason why he wrote proper north is because what he called northern Somali was the common Somali spoken in Garbahaaray as it is in Hargeisa so to differentiate Af-Isaaq or northwest from say Af-Marehan geographically, you have to allude to geographically proper.


Notice I posted an actual screen shot of Lamberti's big book on page 31 where he explains that the northern Somali he calls the base of standard Somali is actually AF-MAREEXAAN OF AF-DAAROOD.


Well the copy of the book in Somali circles like the online collection from Spienza University in Italy is this one

Another instance, (if we weren't privileged with the information age, these were erased from somali physical archives)

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/postin ... &p=4985692

Btw, those very nice drawings by Robecchi like this



Or those of my grandfathers?



Don't bother in the copies uploaded in the Somali-linked repositories, somehow they just happen to be the "missing pages" in Robecchi's books.

First I was mad. I wanted to go after the culprit by lodging a complaint with the linked organizations---persumably it would not be hard to locate the persons tasked with photocopy or something----library/archive sources are notorious for detailed metadata, but then I just literally felt sorry for them.

To be so resentful that you think you could erase information or history only to be confronted today by the wide dissemination of those images in such a prominent position in any basic Somali historical research---that's the most fitting punishment I thought.

[Thecoolguysomali]

this is crazy you heard of the marexan sultanate?

[Thecoolguysomali]

@Gubbet what is your sub?

[mahoka]

can you please address some of points

No. Next. I know when I see bad faith acting.

Sxb can you respond to my comment, you accused me of running away but I responded to you and now you are running from my comment.


Let’s keep it respectful. I believe I made very valid points that you can’t disagree with objectively

[Thecoolguysomali]

Listen you are langaab marexan are landheere now shush

[Thecoolguysomali]

[Phinks]

Nine, that was informative. So basically, again, it all comes down to the after effects of 91.

[Seedyare]

But I am simply pointing out the elephant in the room.

1) the abtirsi of different darod tribes doesn’t make sense, the harti for example have different length abtirsi which doesn’t make sense since they claim to be brothers

2) your abtirsi has non somali names (koonbe, kuumbe etc) and your historical figures such as Theodore gotia don’t even have a Muslim name even tho they supposedly lived in a time when the isaaq and the dir were fighting to convert and colonise the Ethiopians.

What is wrong with Daarood Abtirsi ?


As far as facts and figures are concerned, Daarod abtirsi range is 22-38 .For the iidoors the range is 15-26


Some of the iidoor sub clans with the longest are ; ree sugulle,ree yuusuf , ree xareed , ree xaad etc. dwarf iidoor clans such as cabaaska ,afgaab muuse ,toljeclo,aadanmadoobe, bah majeelo have relatively shorter abtirsi . So, there is nothing wrong with abtirisi length differences .


koombe ,Kablalax and kuumade are pure cushitic names and so are iidoor names ; Garxajis,guuyoobe,iidoor,rambad ,dhogoori etc.

[Gubbet]

Bump

[Murax]

Look how all the MJs here were caping for Madoobe. To be fair it wasn’t just online but their politicians too. What changed? Absolutely nothing except Deni didn’t a position
And got left high and dry by Madoobe.


Thanks for bumping this now everyone should be able to see where I’m coming from

[Gubbet]

Look how all the MJs here were caping for Madoobe. To be fair it wasn’t just online but their politicians too. What changed? Absolutely nothing except Deni didn’t a position
And got left high and dry by Madoobe.


Thanks for bumping this now everyone should be able to see where I’m coming from

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. All the bacteria has to be sufficiently brought out.

[Northkil]

Bump

Very interesting stuff, can you link P30-31 if possible or tell me where to find this book? Thanks wll.

[Gubbet]

Bump

Very interesting stuff, can you link P30-31 if possible or tell me where to find this book? Thanks wll.

Northkil, for an important excerpt in question that was torn out among those pages please see this discussion;

His 200+ page German-language chief scholarly book on the subject titled Die Somali-Dialekte from 1983 (what you posted is a smal English language primer of his 1983 book prepared for the 1986 Somali Language Conference)

In Page 31 of Die Somali-Dialekte which was the seminal work of Lamberti

To further spread these dialects in recent years, the choice of dialect of Mudug has contributed to the national language of the Democratic Republic of Somalia. It is this Daarood dialect that is the source of publications in the Somali language, be it textbooks or literary works. Also, the use of a koiné of these dialects as means of communication of mass media (radio and magazines, etc.) as well as of school operations has led each Somali to understand and speak these dialects, as well as a second mother tongue, even if his own Dialect belongs to another group. The dialects of this group are also the best studied to date and their interest in them has increased even more since they set the national language of the country. Many publications have appeared, especially on Is. In the study of this dialect,

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 3#p4961731