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why akhas? somaliland is never akhas abaayo.

Ok Somaliland is not disgusting, but the whole celebrating independence in the most hypocritical way is ‘akhas’

why is that? why cant one celebrate his/her achievement in peace and with chest sweling pride?

Why hasn't anyone killed that focker yet? Where are the government death squads when you need them?

Biko--Pride? anything remotely attached to pride always goes wrong, the pillar of all sins...
the way its celebrated is Superficial, ‘a party’; people that have no idea what Somaliland stands for coming together and committing haram under the flag, reinforcing prejudice and nationalistic ideals.

I didn't say that Hamza Yusuf is a kafir, I can't say that he is not a muslim. Allah knows what he is and what we are, I'm not his judge. But I personally wouldn't take any knowledge from a person who said that kaafir firemen who died 9/11 were shuhadaa. I know there are lot of interpretations about jihad, but there must be lot of twisting before it can be proven that jihad is something minor and not important. Muhammad (scws) was a prophet of jihad, he ordered dozens of ghazawa in his lifetime and after his (scws) death, the sahaba who knew Islam and Qur'an deeper than anyone else from this umma after Prophet (scws) continued his path and waged constant jihad and in less than a hundred years they and their followers had beaten two world powers (Persia and Rome) and conquered area from Spain to India. Wallahi you can't find from sahaba people who share the same view about jihad with today's modernist scholars.

First issue is that jihad won't stop, it will go on until Ya'juuj and Ma'juuj no matter how the circumstances change and the proof to this is in the words of Rasulullah (scws):

Salamah bin Nufail said: While I was sitting with Rasulullah a man came to him and said, “O Messenger of Allah Horses are being humiliated (ignored), and weapons are being laid down and people are claiming there is no more Jihad and war has ended” Rasulullah said: “They are lying! Fighting has just begun! Fighting has just begun! And a party of my Ummah will remain fighting on the true path and Allah will deviate the hearts of some men and Allah will provide the fighters from them until the final hour starts and the promise of Allah is fulfilled and good is on the foreheads of horses until the day of Judgment. It is being revealed to me that I will be departing you soon and you would follow me while you are fighting each other and the house of the believers is in al Shaam” (Al Nasa'i, hasan)

Today because muslims gave up their religion and jihad, Allah humiliated us by making us the lowest in earth so it's not possible to make offensive jihad but it's not excuse in case of defensive jihad, it becomes waajib no matter of the conditions of muslims in the area that is beeing attacked by kuffar, regardless if there's amir or not or if the muslims are prepared or not and being not prepared is going against what Allah commanded us. Opinion of the great scholars is that muslim government should make offensive jihad at least once in a year, subhan Allah today muslims are too weak even to make proper defensive jihad.

For example imam Shaafici said: “The minimum participation in Jihad is once a year, and more is always better. It is not allowed to have a year pass you by without any fighting except out of necessity like the weakness of Muslims and the great numbers of the enemy, or fear of extermination if you attack them first, or lack of provisions, or similar excuses. Otherwise, if there is no necessity it is not allowed to delay attacking the non-believers for more than a year.”

Muhammad (scws) said that when muslims give up jihad and exchange that to spending their time caring for the economy and this world, Allah will humiliate us:

“If you trade in each, and follow the tails of cows, and became content with being farmers, and ignored jihad, Allah will impose on you a humiliation that would not be taken away until you go back to your religion." (Abu Dawud, sahiih)

Muhammad (scws) also said:

"Soon the nations will call one another against you, just as people call one another to eat from a platter of food." A man asked: "Will this be because we will be few in number, O Messenger of Allaah?" He (saws) replied: "No, you will be large in number, but you will be Ghuthaa'a like the froth scum on the surface of a body of water, and Allaah will remove from the
hearts of your enemies their fear of you and shall place in your hearts Wahn." Those present asked: "What is Wahn, O Messenger of Allaah?" He replied: "The love for this worldly life, and hatred of death." (Abu Dawud, sahiih)

First Khalifa Abu Bakr said that: “If any people stop jihad Allah will cover them all with punishment” (Tabarani) and Ibn Asakir narrates that Abu Bakr said that if people won't practise jihad Allah will inflict them with poverty.

Our Prophet Muhammad (scws) said that: “Whoever dies and has not fought or had the intention of fighting dies on a branch of hypocrisy" (Muslim) and “Whoever has not fought or prepared a fighter or taken care of a fighter in his absence, Allah will strike him with a disaster” (Abu Dawud)

In the case of kuffar attacking muslim land, jihad becomes fard cain (individual duty) to everybody in the area and fard kifaaya (collective duty) for muslims far away. Punishment for neglecting jihad in case like this is very severe. Allah says in Qur'an:

Say [O Muhammad], “If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased, are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people"

“O you who have believed, what is [the matter] with you that, when you are told to go forth in the cause of Allah, you adhere heavily to the earth? Are you satisfied with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But what is the enjoyment of worldly life compared to the Hereafter except a [very] little. If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at all. And Allah is over all things competent”

“Those who remained behind rejoiced at their staying [at home] after [the departure of] the Messenger of Allah and disliked to strive with their wealth and their lives in the cause of Allah and said, “Do not go forth in the heat.” Say, “The fire of Hell is more intense in heat”-if they would but understand. So let them laugh a little and [then] weep much as recompense for what they used to earn."

First and the best generations of muslims understood this perfectly well, so who are we after 1400 years to deny this? There are numerous ahadiith about the issue, if you like I can bring thousands of more. And if we look at the life of Prophet (scws) and his companions and their followers we find out that it wasn't only a speech, they put these words in action without stopping or feeling tired.

Here are some ahadiith about the virtue of jihad and mujahid:

The Messenger of Allah (scws) was asked, “What is the best of all acts of worship?” He said, “Believing in Allah” He was asked, “And then what?” He responded, “Jihad in the path of Allah” Then he was asked “And then what?” He said, “An accepted Hajj” (Bukhari, Muslim)

Messenger of Allah was asked, “Who is the best of people?” He said, “A believer who is making jihad with his life and his wealth in the cause of Allah” (Bukhari, Muslim)

“Whoever fights in the cause of Allah the time it takes to milk a camel is granted Paradise” (Ahmad, Abu Dawud, al Tirmidhi, ibn Majah, ibn Habbaan)

A man came to the Messenger of Allah and asked him about something to do equivalent to jihad. The Messenger of Allah said, “I don’t find any” Then he said, “When the mujahid leaves, can you enter into your masjid and pray and fast with no break?” The man said, “And who could do that!”(Bukhari)

Abu Hurayra said : “Can anyone of you pray continuously without rest and fast continuously without a break?” They said, “O Abu Hurairah, who could do that!” He said, “I swear in the name of whom my soul is in his hands: The sleep of the mujahid is better than that! (Ibn al Mubaarak)

“Allah has guaranteed the mujahid, who leaves from his home with no purpose but to fight in the cause of Allah and believing in Allah’s words, Allah has guaranteed for him either to enter him into Paradise or to return him home with reward or booty” (Bukahri, Muslim)

Muadh bin Jabal narrates: We were with the Messenger of Allah returning from Tabook. He told me, “If you want I can tell you the head of the matter, its pillar and its peak,” I said yes O Messenger of Allah. He said, “The head of the matter is Islam, its pillar is Salah, and its peak is jihad” (al Hakim, Ahmad, al Tirmidhi, ibn Majah)

“The Shaheed is granted seven special favours from Allah. He is forgiven (his sins) at the first drop of his blood. He sees his place in Paradise. He is dressed in the clothes of Iman. He is married to the Hoor al-‘Ain (beautiful women of Paradise). He is saved from the punishment of the grave. He will be protected from the great fear of the Day of Judgement. A crown of honour will be placed on his head, one jewel of which is better than the whole world and what it contains. He is married to seventy-two of the Hoor al-‘Ain (beautiful women of Paradise), and he will be able to intercede for seventy members of his family.” (Ahmad, al Tirmidhi, ibn Hibbaan)

etc etc etc... I still can give numerous authentic ahadiith how jihad is the greatest cibaada and greatest reward comes through it. Issue is crystal clear so that's why I don't understand people who deny it.

Salahuddiin, in addition, Hamza Yusuf follows the Asharite creed and Sufism.

[quote="Salahuddiin"]I didn't say that Hamza Yusuf is a kafir, I can't say that he is not a muslim. Allah knows what he is and what we are, I'm not his judge. But I personally wouldn't take any knowledge from a person who said that kaafir firemen who died 9/11 were shuhadaa. I know there are lot of interpretations about jihad, but there must be lot of twisting before it can be proven that jihad is something minor and not important. Muhammad (scws) was a prophet of jihad, he ordered dozens of ghazawa in his lifetime and after his (scws) death, the sahaba who knew Islam and Qur'an deeper than anyone else from this umma after Prophet (scws) continued his path and waged constant jihad and in less than a hundred years they and their followers had beaten two world powers (Persia and Rome) and conquered area from Spain to India. Wallahi you can't find from sahaba people who share the same view about jihad with today's modernist scholars.

[/quote]

Ok waalal, So you disagree with the Shaykh, waa caadi, but i honestly think your argument is weak, but hey thats my opinion...

Warsame

Ok brother I see. I don't know much about this man, when I heard the interview where he attacked jihad in general and said that dead kuffar firemen are martyrs it was enough for me to decide that I don't need to hear more from this man.

Chilli

Ok walaal, which one of my points are especially weak? Could you elaborate more?

[quote="musika man"][quote="Salahuddiin"]musika man

Zawahiri is not my sheikh and I don't agree with many things he says although I agree with something. Other extreme are these people who denounce the religion of Muhammad (scws) and sahaba and want to make it more modern aka more close to kufr. I'm in the middle and try to follow the sunna. Usually scholars view on jihad is a way to know his caqiidah. It could be very radical or very soft and both of these views are the views of the dangerous extremists.

Only a jaahil/munaafiq would deny the importance and high status of jihad in Islam and making fun about some essential part of religion is kufr.[/quote]

^^^

why are you living in the west? the "kufr" handouts are tempting for you? call every muslim you see who doesnt believe in your theory jaahil/munaafiq. go and live in a cave like your hero zawihiri.[/quote]

you toke my words out of my mouth

Salahudin,

You have kids?. I feel sorry for that kids. I see everyday, your likes,extremists, confusing poor kids. Kids who are children of extremists like you developed double personality in order to survive-- One personality for the house and another one for school or even Dugsi.

If you care about Jihad go to Afghanistan , Iraq or any even Somali and join Jihadist causes. Why don't go to Saudi earn your money when earning money in western countries?.

[quote="SomeGuy"]Salahudin,

You have kids?. I feel sorry for that kids. I see everyday, your likes,extremists, confusing poor kids. Kids who are children of extremists like you developed double personality in order to survive-- One personality for the house and another one for school or even Dugsi.

If you care about Jihad go to Afghanistan , Iraq or any even Somali and join Jihadist causes. Why don't go to Saudi earn your money when earning money in western countries?.[/quote]

lets see if arabs and those socalled islamists will give you your freedom than you have in the west yeah good q why dont you go to these places and dy as a marty and go to jannah?guys like will divide the ummah only further and guys like you is showing the world that islam is a bad religion and that we are terrorist supporters.

[quote="Salahuddiin"]Warsame

Ok brother I see. I don't know much about this man, when I heard the interview where he attacked jihad in general and said that dead kuffar firemen are martyrs it was enough for me to decide that I don't need to hear more from this man.

Chilli

Ok walaal, which one of my points are especially weak? Could you elaborate more?[/quote]

Saalam,
We already agreed on the plausible fact that ‘jihad’ has many interpretations and different levels.
Now you present me with ‘hadiths’ that can be interpreted many ways without even adding what they mean to you and placing them in context. I could just as well post plenty of hadiths and verses advocating restraint, compassion, peaceful preaching, mutual respect and coexistence between Muslims and disbelievers.
What you have against the Shaykh Hamza is still unclear, especially now that you’ve made a reference to him calling the firemen of 9/11 mujahdiin? Can I have a link please…I am not going to discuss that because I sense you think 9/11 was a just action.

Physical jihad is continuous??
I agree with you that we Muslims are in static times, we are inactive and consent to a lot of coercive processes in the world today, now you want to justify jihad as perpetual warfare?
Ideological how can we be in a state of war permanently, and what is the motive behind this ‘jihad’ (am guessing your solely talking about physical jihad) is it political and materialistic? Is it to further the rule of Muslims over the whole world? Is to spread the faith or solely to widen the net of sovereign Muslim power?
The only people and states humiliating Muslims are Muslims.

Whatever your answer maybe to the above questions, there has to be a clearly defined ‘Dar al-Harb and a Dar al-Islam’ for this continuous warfare to take place. But that’s impossible in modern times because we have states governed by secular law but populated by Muslims and states that are populated by non-believers but are at peace with Muslims. And the latter according to Imam ash-Shafi does not constitute Dar al-Harb.

Physical jihad is an obligation when Muslims are in a state of insecurity, fear, and oppression. It is there to emphasis our role in the world as those that preserve justice. Now when we are at peace and there is no threat of any sort, it is said to be voluntary. ‘If they fight you fight them’ (2:191)

Now spiritual jihad is permanent and an obligation. ‘on the authority of Anas b. Malik: the messenger of God said ‘Remembrance of God in the morning and in the evening is better than breaking swords in the path of God and donating ones wealth in abundance!’
In emphasising physical Jihad you are limiting yourself and Islam to the world, the dunya, our souls come first and our bodies and actions in society should reflect ‘out’ purity of heart. The physical world has no qualitative existence to a believer; our goal is the hereafter not this world, so politics and anything remotely attached to the dunya is a diversion.
In making jihad only an act of warfare against kufir, you have abounded your path of love and devotion to Allah.

Ma'salam

"Saalam,
We already agreed on the plausible fact that ‘jihad’ has many interpretations and different levels.
Now you present me with ‘hadiths’ that can be interpreted many ways without even adding what they mean to you and placing them in context. I could just as well post plenty of hadiths and verses advocating restraint, compassion, peaceful preaching, mutual respect and coexistence between Muslims and disbelievers."

- Salaam.

Yes, jihad has different levels, they are jihad against oneself, jihad against Sheytaan, jihad against munaafiqiin and jihad against kuffaar. Jihad against Sheytaan and nafs are obligatory all the time to every muslim and physical jihad is obligatory to the umma as a whole but becomes an individual duty in some cases. Physical jihad can be done with hand, with tongue or with the heart according to one's ability and of course by hand is the greatest of them and without a desire for physical jihad a muslim is on a branch of hypocrisy:

“Whoever dies without having fought or having resolved to fight has died following one of the branches of hypocrisy.” (Muslim)

Physical jihad is collective duty and if there's enough people to do it then rest of them are freed from it, but if there's not enough muslims doing it then everybody are sinners. Jihad becomes an individual duty for a muslim in four cases:

1. When the Muslim is present in a jihad situation.
2. When the enemy has attacked a muslim land.
3. When the ruler of muslims mobilizes muslims they must respond.
4. When a person is needed and no one else can do the task except him.

Those people who are in a place where jihad becomes obligatory to him and he doesn't fight, then this ayah from Qur'an applies to him:

“O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day — unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own), — he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allaah. And his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination!” (8:16)

According to many authentic ahadiith the greatest form of jihad is physical one because there's no deed equal to it nor reward. Prophet (scws) also said that:

A man asked the Prophet: What is Jihad? He (s.a.w) replied: “To fight against the disbelievers when you meet them (on the battlefield).” The man asked: “What kind of Jihad is the highest?” He (s.a.w) replied: “The person who is killed whilst spilling the last of his blood” (Ahmad, sahiih)

and

A man asked: "O Prophet of Allah, which is the best Jihad?" The Prophet (saws) said, "The best Jihad is that the legs of your horse be cut off and your blood be spilt (Shahadah)." (Ibn Hibbaan, Ibn Maja)

and

A man came to Allah's Messenger (??? ???? ???? ???? ) and said, “Guide me to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.” Then he added, “Can you, while the Mujahid has gone for Jihad, enter your mosque to perform Salat without cease and observe Saum without breaking it?” The man said, “But who can do that?”

and

“Being stationed in the path of Allah for a day is greater than fasting the days of a month and praying its nights. And if he dies his rewards of the deeds he used to do would continue and his provisions would continue and he would be spared the trial of the angels of the grave” (Muslim)

etc etc...

There's one widely heard hadiith that is usually used by sufis that after a fight Prophet (scws) said that now we came from a small jihad to great jihad (jihad against oneself) but this hadiith is daciif because the chain of narrators is weak.

Those ahadiith I wrote all talk about real fighting, but maybe you can point out a hadiith that can be interpreted to something else? It's 100% sure than in none of those the word jihad mean jihadun nafs but the highest jihad. Of course there are lot of ahadiith telling about peace and mercy because Islam is religion of mercy. These hadiith about jihad and mercy won't rule each other out because there are many parallel situations going on always. In certain situation you need to show mercy and in certain situation you need to be tough. Islam's goal is peace and jihad is a way to attain this goal and remove the oppression and putting words "laa ilaha illa Allah" to be the highest. And there's no fighting against people with whom you have peace treaty or they pay jizyah.


"What you have against the Shaykh Hamza is still unclear, especially now that you’ve made a reference to him calling the firemen of 9/11 mujahdiin? Can I have a link please…I am not going to discuss that because I sense you think 9/11 was a just action."

- I disagree with 9/11. Although the military and economical centers of the enemy fighting against Islam are 100% legal targets I don't agree the way it was done. I had to google those statements from Hamza Yusuf because it was long time ago and I don't remember the exact place where I saw them but I found a site with those quotes and much more about him (I didn't check out this site except this part talking about Hamza Yusuf so I don't know what else is on it):

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/individual_ ... /index.htm


"Physical jihad is continuous??
I agree with you that we Muslims are in static times, we are inactive and consent to a lot of coercive processes in the world today, now you want to justify jihad as perpetual warfare?
Ideological how can we be in a state of war permanently, and what is the motive behind this ‘jihad’ (am guessing your solely talking about physical jihad) is it political and materialistic? Is it to further the rule of Muslims over the whole world? Is to spread the faith or solely to widen the net of sovereign Muslim power?
The only people and states humiliating Muslims are Muslims."

- There are authentic ahadiith from Muhammad (scws) and his companions that the reason of this humiliation is forsaking jihad and loving the duniya.

About continuous jihad:

Salamah bin Nufail said: While I was sitting with Rasulullah a man came to him and said, “O Messenger of Allah Horses are being discarded and weapons are been laid down and some are claiming that there is no more fighting” Rasulullah said, “They are lying! Fighting has just begun! And a party of my Ummah will fight for the sake of Allah, and those who oppose them will not harm them. Allah will deviate the hearts of some men to provide for that party from them by fighting them. And they will continue fighting until the final hour starts (the Day of Judgment) and good will remain on the foreheads of horses until the day of Judgment and war will not end until Yagog and Magog come out.” (Tabarani)

Words of the Prophet (scws) were truthful and if we look at the history we will see that the jihad has been continuous until this day and there's no end in sight, only increase. There has never been peace but there has always been fight or oppression against muslims going on somewhere. In the time of best generations muslims really had the religion and taqwa in their hearts so Allah helped them, they were the most powerful nation and there were lot offensive jihad and alhamdulillah they turned whole countries into islamic countries one after another. When generations passed muslims became ignorant and corrupt and they forsake jihad and started to live for the duniya and then everything changed to opposite and they started to be the targets because Allah humiliated them. Offensive jihad changed into defensive one and muslims were attacked from all sides. For example when mongols invaded almost all muslim world there were narrated incidents like when a mongol woman would say to group of muslim men that "wait here I go get my sword and then I'll come back and kill you" and those muslims were terrified and just standed there in fear and waited for the woman to come back and chop off their heads. This was the state of muslims and it is exactly the same situation today and the braveness and fierceness of sahaba is long gone and changed into cowardliness on present day muslims. When mongols invaded and destroyed Baghdad almost without a fight they opened up the treasure chamber and saw the enormous wealth they told the khalifa that "if you would have used even a part of this gold to equip an army to defend yourselves we never could've won you" before they executed him. Same situation today.



"Whatever your answer maybe to the above questions, there has to be a clearly defined ‘Dar al-Harb and a Dar al-Islam’ for this continuous warfare to take place. But that’s impossible in modern times because we have states governed by secular law but populated by Muslims and states that are populated by non-believers but are at peace with Muslims. And the latter according to Imam ash-Shafi does not constitute Dar al-Harb.
Physical jihad is an obligation when Muslims are in a state of insecurity, fear, and oppression. It is there to emphasis our role in the world as those that preserve justice. Now when we are at peace and there is no threat of any sort, it is said to be voluntary. ‘If they fight you fight them’ (2:191)"

- Do you really see peace now in the muslim world? You can first start from your own country and then find about the situations in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Chechnya etc etc and every day around the world the hostility is just growing. How many muslim prisoners do the kuffar hold and how much they oppress muslims today? Do you really think there is wordwide peace now among the muslims? Can you show me even one period of time from last centuries where there wasn't need for defensive jihad because of the attacks by kuffar in at least one part of a muslim world?

"Now spiritual jihad is permanent and an obligation. ‘on the authority of Anas b. Malik: the messenger of God said ‘Remembrance of God in the morning and in the evening is better than breaking swords in the path of God and donating ones wealth in abundance!’"

- Walaal could you show me from where to find this hadiith, because I've never heard of it and when I tried to search for it I only found it from sufi sites without mentioning the source of this hadiith.


"In emphasising physical Jihad you are limiting yourself and Islam to the world, the dunya, our souls come first and our bodies and actions in society should reflect ‘out’ purity of heart. The physical world has no qualitative existence to a believer; our goal is the hereafter not this world, so politics and anything remotely attached to the dunya is a diversion. In making jihad only an act of warfare against kufir, you have abounded your path of love and devotion to Allah."

- Physical jihad is not something about duniya but for akhira because it is getting oneself killed because of Allah and it's the greatest deed and getting killed in the path of Allah is called shahada (one reason) because man already testified his devotion for Allah by sacrificing his own body and because of that he won't be asked the 3 questions in grave and he will wait in janna until the judgement day and he won't feel fear in Yawmal Qiyaama. I don't see how this is bound to duniya and desires.

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