The Common Somali Ideology

[Cilmiile]

[quote="Samatr"]My clan is not the one going down in Somali history as the clan that brought Ethiopians into Somalia, you can twist words as much as you like but at the end of the day you know the truth.[/quote]

Samatr,

Ethiopia didnt need no clan to come to Somalia. And more Daarood died fighting Ethiopia than the Hawiye who ran away after they proclaimed Jihaad. And you know very well that Riyaale, your president landed in Ethiopia and congratulated Ethiopia.

The main issue is: What is the solution to Somalia's bij status? It is Somali unity. And we cant have that until you set aside your Isaaq and Hawiye cuqdad.

I dont think the Daaroods have as much cuqdad because I nearly come to blows at the cofffee shops with Daaroods(specially Dhulbahante) who are ICU supporters

[Gedo_Boy]

Samtr,

horta dagaal wuu dhacaa weligeed wuuna dhici jiray......what I'm saying is nobody has a special hatred to Isaaqs.....teeda kale, the Govt. tried to put down the SNM rebellion not out of naceeb for Isaaqnimo b/c they did the same thing to SSDF and if Marexaans tried to overthrew Siyad Barre I'm pretty sure he would have killed as many as he needed to in the interests of stability.

Let's forget for a moment whether or not the SNM founders had legitimate grievances or not. I mean ask yourself what would happen if a small group of Isaaqs w/ real or perceived grievances tried to overthrow the S-land Government...........wouldn't the S-land Govt. suppress that movement by any means possible?

[Cilmiile]

[quote="Ismahan123"][quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Ismahan123"]Ethiopia is not our enemy, atleast not as much as we are our own enemy. They (Ethiopia) are just taking advantage of our foolishness as people and country.[/quote]


Ismahan, you surprised me. You are an intelligent woman. Stop pretending to be a bimbo party girl.

But now I am gonna be mean to be mean to your people so dont mind me


If Hawiye and Isaaq dont stop their cuqdad against Daarood we will never be strong enough to resist Ethiopia. We will be forever their biijis.[/quote]


There is no pretending here. Somalis are filled with hate and distrust to form a legit gov't, therefore, Ethiopia is now doing a good job pimping them thanks to few hoes. You on the other hand, have a disease called Darood, were you speak of them as they are God's gift to Somalis, so hawada iga bax, there is no reasoning with you.[/quote]


Ismahan

I meant your first analysis was on the mark. Clear and concise. I was very surprised because I thought you were just a bimbo because you always talk about Shiishad and multiple BFs.

Clearly you are a smart woman therefore I urge you to stop pretending to be a party girl.

[Samatr]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]Samtr,

horta dagaal wuu dhacaa weligeed wuuna dhici jiray......what I'm saying is nobody has a special hatred to Isaaqs.....teeda kale, the Govt. tried to put down the SNM rebellion not out of naceeb for Isaaqnimo b/c they did the same thing to SSDF and if Marexaans tried to overthrew Siyad Barre I'm pretty sure he would have killed as many as he needed to in the interests of stability.

Let's forget for a moment whether or not the SNM founders had legitimate grievances or not. I mean ask yourself what would happen if a small group of Isaaqs w/ real or perceived grievances tried to overthrow the S-land Government...........wouldn't the S-land Govt. suppress that movement by any means possible?[/quote]


No Sland would be fukked up, God is with the just and Somalia is messed right now because we have hookers for leaders.

[Cilmiile]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]Samtr,

horta dagaal wuu dhacaa weligeed wuuna dhici jiray......what I'm saying is nobody has a special hatred to Isaaqs.....teeda kale, the Govt. tried to put down the SNM rebellion not out of naceeb for Isaaqnimo b/c they did the same thing to SSDF and if Marexaans tried to overthrew Siyad Barre I'm pretty sure he would have killed as many as he needed to in the interests of stability.

Let's forget for a moment whether or not the SNM founders had legitimate grievances or not. I mean ask yourself what would happen if a small group of Isaaqs w/ real or perceived grievances tried to overthrow the S-land Government...........wouldn't the S-land Govt. suppress that movement by any means possible?[/quote]


Gedo Boy

Siyaad never did to Samatar's family what President Cigaal and the Habar Awal did to them. 15,000 killed in Burco and the town levelled by BM rockets and artillery fire. Somaliland used up all the equipment and munitions they inherited from the government in that fight. Whatever remained, that is, after they shipped huge caches to Caydiid when he was trying to repel the Rogaal Celintii Daarood(successfully).

[Gedo_Boy]

Samatr,

waan gartay.......I'm just saying gooni gooni has the intended consequence of facilitating control.........

'Divide and Conquer' is easier when the locals do the dividing for you.



Cilmiile,

I didn't know that.......but I always had a feeling it was the SNM who did more damage to the Somali Govt. than the USC.

[SummerRain]

[quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Ismahan123"][quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Ismahan123"]Ethiopia is not our enemy, atleast not as much as we are our own enemy. They (Ethiopia) are just taking advantage of our foolishness as people and country.[/quote]


Ismahan, you surprised me. You are an intelligent woman. Stop pretending to be a bimbo party girl.

But now I am gonna be mean to be mean to your people so dont mind me


If Hawiye and Isaaq dont stop their cuqdad against Daarood we will never be strong enough to resist Ethiopia. We will be forever their biijis.[/quote]


There is no pretending here. Somalis are filled with hate and distrust to form a legit gov't, therefore, Ethiopia is now doing a good job pimping them thanks to few hoes. You on the other hand, have a disease called Darood, were you speak of them as they are God's gift to Somalis, so hawada iga bax, there is no reasoning with you.[/quote]


Ismahan

I meant your first analysis was on the mark. Clear and concise. I was very surprised because I thought you were just a bimbo because you always talk about Shiishad and multiple BFs.

Clearly you are a smart woman therefore I urge you to stop pretending to be a party girl.[/quote]

Aah, the typical Somali man, who resorts to insults, very weak. Why not come back with something alittle more original eh. The accounts of facing the truth are quite difficult, but only a real man would admit his faults..right? Anyways, be it a bimbo or a intellect thats my own personal issues, you dont have to worry about it or certainly live with it. I believe you have your own inner issues you have got to deal with, so do attend to them.

[Cilmiile]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]Samatr,

waan gartay.......I'm just saying gooni gooni has the intended consequence of facilitating control.........

'Divide and Conquer' is easier when the locals do the dividing for you.



Cilmiile,

I didn't know that.......but I always had a feeling it was the SNM who did more damage to the Somali Govt. than the USC.[/quote]


GB

SNM destroyed half the country in their Kamikaze 1988 attack. It was very instrumental in the eventual collapse of the country(one of many causative events).

But the Siyaad government never did to the Isaaq what Cigaal did to the Garxajis during the Isaaqland civil war in 1994. He molested them badly.

[KUN-DILE]

"And you know very well that Riyaale, your president landed in Ethiopia and congratulated Ethiopia. "

Daahir Riyaale will go down in History as a Gadabuursi who congratulated the Ethiopians.

Isaaq politicians condemned it. Its on record.


"15,000 killed in Burco and the town levelled by BM rockets and artillery fire. Somaliland used up all the equipment and munitions they inherited from the government in that fight."

LOL 15,000

The armies that faced each other in Burao were very strong (approx. 5000 men from each side)but the death toll from either side was less than 700.

[Cilmiile]

[quote="Ismahan123"][quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Ismahan123"][quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Ismahan123"]Ethiopia is not our enemy, atleast not as much as we are our own enemy. They (Ethiopia) are just taking advantage of our foolishness as people and country.[/quote]


Ismahan, you surprised me. You are an intelligent woman. Stop pretending to be a bimbo party girl.

But now I am gonna be mean to be mean to your people so dont mind me


If Hawiye and Isaaq dont stop their cuqdad against Daarood we will never be strong enough to resist Ethiopia. We will be forever their biijis.[/quote]


There is no pretending here. Somalis are filled with hate and distrust to form a legit gov't, therefore, Ethiopia is now doing a good job pimping them thanks to few hoes. You on the other hand, have a disease called Darood, were you speak of them as they are God's gift to Somalis, so hawada iga bax, there is no reasoning with you.[/quote]


Ismahan

I meant your first analysis was on the mark. Clear and concise. I was very surprised because I thought you were just a bimbo because you always talk about Shiishad and multiple BFs.

Clearly you are a smart woman therefore I urge you to stop pretending to be a party girl.[/quote]

Aah, the typical Somali man, who resorts to insults, very weak. Why not come back with something alittle more original eh. The accounts of facing the truth are quite difficult, but only a real man would admit his faults..right? Anyways, be it a bimbo or a intellect thats my own personal issues, you dont have to worry about it or certainly live with it. I believe you have your own inner issues you have got to deal with, so do attend to them.[/quote]


How did I insult you? if anything I complimented you. I dont think Hawiye and I will ever understand each other.

[SummerRain]

[quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Ismahan123"][quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Ismahan123"][quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Ismahan123"]Ethiopia is not our enemy, atleast not as much as we are our own enemy. They (Ethiopia) are just taking advantage of our foolishness as people and country.[/quote]


Ismahan, you surprised me. You are an intelligent woman. Stop pretending to be a bimbo party girl.

But now I am gonna be mean to be mean to your people so dont mind me


If Hawiye and Isaaq dont stop their cuqdad against Daarood we will never be strong enough to resist Ethiopia. We will be forever their biijis.[/quote]


There is no pretending here. Somalis are filled with hate and distrust to form a legit gov't, therefore, Ethiopia is now doing a good job pimping them thanks to few hoes. You on the other hand, have a disease called Darood, were you speak of them as they are God's gift to Somalis, so hawada iga bax, there is no reasoning with you.[/quote]


Ismahan

I meant your first analysis was on the mark. Clear and concise. I was very surprised because I thought you were just a bimbo because you always talk about Shiishad and multiple BFs.

Clearly you are a smart woman therefore I urge you to stop pretending to be a party girl.[/quote]

Aah, the typical Somali man, who resorts to insults, very weak. Why not come back with something alittle more original eh. The accounts of facing the truth are quite difficult, but only a real man would admit his faults..right? Anyways, be it a bimbo or a intellect thats my own personal issues, you dont have to worry about it or certainly live with it. I believe you have your own inner issues you have got to deal with, so do attend to them.[/quote]


How did I insult you? if anything I complimented you. I dont think Hawiye and I will ever understand each other. [/quote]

You know if anything, sarcasm does not run very well with me. If you dont or will never understand Hawiye, thats your own personal problem. I could care less. Sii soco.

[Cilmiile]

[quote="KUN-DILE"]"And you know very well that Riyaale, your president landed in Ethiopia and congratulated Ethiopia. "

Daahir Riyaale will go down in History as a Gadabuursi who congratulated the Ethiopians.

Isaaq politicians condemned it. Its on record.


"15,000 killed in Burco and the town levelled by BM rockets and artillery fire. Somaliland used up all the equipment and munitions they inherited from the government in that fight."

LOL 15,000

The armies that faced each other in Burao were very strong (approx. 5000 men from each side)but the death toll from either side was less than 700.[/quote]


Give me one example of Isaaq politician in the government condemning the invasion. Riyaale is the president of Somaliland and all Isaaqs. Are Isaaqs willing to dump Riyaale and proclaim Jihaad to restore Somali Nationalism and Honour; knowing that the present will lead to eternal Ethiopian domination of all Somalis?

[gurey25]

how about this.

what if disunity is strength?

the reason for the continued chaos is becuase of the TOP DOWN approach.
they try to form a government for somalia from the top, and usually this is held in conferences overseas, but this becomes a avenue where each clan attempts to monopolize power and use it for thier own betterment, just like the last clan did succefully in somalia.

this is ofcourse resisted by other clans and it ends in a stalemate.
the only thing new this time is that one clan or a coaliation of clans have successfully used Ethiopian muscle to put them in power.
this ofcourse will also naturally be resisted.



if we naturally let the trend towards regionalism continue, who knows,
maybe there will be unity,

disunity could lead to unity in the long term.

[Cilmiile]

[quote="gurey25"]how about this.

what if disunity is strength?

the reason for the continued chaos is becuase of the TOP DOWN approach.
they try to form a government for somalia from the top, and usually this is held in conferences overseas, but this becomes a avenue where each clan attempts to monopolize power and use it for thier own betterment, just like the last clan did succefully in somalia.

this is ofcourse resisted by other clans and it ends in a stalemate.
the only thing new this time is that one clan or a coaliation of clans have successfully used Ethiopian muscle to put them in power.
this ofcourse will also naturally be resisted.



if we naturally let the trend towards regionalism continue, who knows,
maybe there will be unity,

disunity could lead to unity in the long term.[/quote]


Gurey

How about avowing the Sanctity of Somali Unity but encouraging grassroots democracy and regional development and institution-building everywhere. The present course leads to the Doom of Somalia: Somaliland saying that they inherited some crazy colonial border and Hawiye saying Daarood ii tali maa ana tashan maa. Every Somali region helping the other instead of using every tragedy and setback for the other region as manna from heaven. Cooperation and mutual help. What say you?

[KUN-DILE]

[quote="Cilmiile"][quote="KUN-DILE"]"And you know very well that Riyaale, your president landed in Ethiopia and congratulated Ethiopia. "

Daahir Riyaale will go down in History as a Gadabuursi who congratulated the Ethiopians.

Isaaq politicians condemned it. Its on record.


"15,000 killed in Burco and the town levelled by BM rockets and artillery fire. Somaliland used up all the equipment and munitions they inherited from the government in that fight."

LOL 15,000

The armies that faced each other in Burao were very strong (approx. 5000 men from each side)but the death toll from either side was less than 700.[/quote]


Give me one example of Isaaq politician in the government condemning the invasion. Riyaale is the president of Somaliland and all Isaaqs. Are Isaaqs willing to dump Riyaale and proclaim Jihaad to restore Somali Nationalism and Honour; knowing that the present will lead to eternal Ethiopian domination of all Somalis?[/quote]

It was Riyaale who said it and its Riyaale who will go down in history as a Gadabuursi.

Isaaq know how to play the ball. You can't find an Isaaq man who is shaking his booty for Ethiopia. We got interests of course but we do it with class and profession.