Is somalia a mirror image of iraq

[GENERAL_SNM]

Sorry Bro but both somaliland and kurdistan are called break away states, plus i disagree with you on somaliland being ahead, considering they will soon get there own ready made country from the U.N aka usa, inluding the oil rich city of Kalkurk.

[LiQaaye_TDH]

The majoority of the Kurds in Iraaq dont want to brake away from Iraaq.. most of their politicians still want to be part of iraaq...

and the ones who wants their own state, wants a peace of Iraan, Iraaq, Turki and Syria.. they aint gonna get that...

[AbdiWahab252]

Liqaaye,

Kurdistan is in a better position than Somaliland.

The Kurds control top level positions in the central federal government and get plenty of aid.

They are playing it smart and getting ready for the day when Iraq is finished off as a state.

Either way, they are smart not to follow the separatist mentality unlike Somaliland.

If Abdirahman Tuur had set up a parallel government in Hargeisa and declared it to be the Somali Republic government that was temporarily moved to the nation's second largest city due to insecurity in Xamar, Somaliland would have been better off.

The Issaqs would have dominated the government and made Hargeisa the most powerful city in the land.

Many Issaq/Gadabursi begged with Tuur and Igaal not to move for secession but to continue with unity by moving the government to Hargeisa.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Kurdistan=Isaaqstan
Both aims method, and conclusion are identical

[GENERAL_SNM]

Any somalia shites

[LiQaaye_TDH]

Aw... I dont believe in this somaliweyn bullshid to be honest and i believe we did the right choice by not uniting with the rest of somalia when we had a great chance... I know we could have had some great positions like the kurds and move the capital to Hargeisa and so on, but still dont believe in that crap...

I believe what Abdiraxman Tuur (Aun) did was wrong, he was a great mujaahid, but he did the the wrong move in end...

[GENERAL_SNM]

Liqaaye we have done magnificently with somaliland, peacefull and prosperuse with no outside help, but compared to if we had the whole of somalia and all its gains, we would be million times richer with a little bit of danger. But as the SAS say "those who dare win''

Plus as a haberjeclo man you cant be scared of danger, its our bread and butter. Shid go to Burco and say am going to conqouer somali, whos coming with me and watch the whole town come with you.

[kambuli]

Arabman, I am Sunni...No question about that...

The reality is there...No matter how some of us try very hard to bring Somalis against each other and make the situation like that in 1991; Irrirism against Daarood... But did it work??? No..It did not work..And it won't work now...

It is really very sad, that even though we know that this government is made of all Somali clans...Specially Hawiye who compromise the larger number...How some people are trying to make it like a war between the Hawiya and the Daarood + Habasha...

Since when Mohamed Dheere, Geeddi, Qaybdiid, Salaad Jeelle and all the countless that are in this TFG became Daaroods?

Who were all those that died for the ICU? Hawiya?

[Ican]

What an ill considered analogy, though I'm sure it's one terrorists would love. If Siade Barre is saddam hussein, than how can Darood be shiate? If anything, Darood minority ruling Hawiye minority in Mogadishu before civil would be similar to sunni minority ruling shiate majority in Iraq.

But, this simplistic analogy has too many flaws. As kambuli mentioned what about the Hawiye that's pro Government? And the Darood against the government, or the minority groups in favor of government? Where do they all fit in your analogy?

[gurey25]

Abdi the big differance between Kurdistan and Somaliland is that unlike kurdistan
we dont have 3 major regional powers deathly opposed to our independance and will invade us if we do get independant. Iran,Turkey and Syria.

This is why they are very active in the Iraqi government, they have no choice,
thier logic is , that since they cannot get independant kurdistan, they will make sure that they control Iraq.

already the peshmerga is the most powerfull force in Iraq, if the US leaves, and no regional power interferes, the kurds will destroy all the sunni and shiites millitias combined and rule by force,


sadly this wont happen.

[AbdiWahab252]

Gurey,

Never the less, the Kurds have gone from oppressed minority to powerful minority along with selfgovernance and a booming land.

Now they are top dogs in a Federal Iraq and so have a good thing going for them.

Why rock the boat when the boat is going to sink away ?

[gurey25]

i understand, but its not their choice, thier first choice is independance,
but they are forced to remain with the rotting carcass that is Iraq.

throughout history iraq has always been ard al fitna, and needed a strong hand to rule it through fear, if it was not al xajaaj, it would have been the cabaasids, if not the cabaasids then suljuuk beys and hulagu khan, all of these rulers found that the only way to rule iraq is to kill everyone that raises his voice.

[AbdiWahab252]

Gurey,

If anyone deserves a nation state, I believe it is the Kurds. They are victims of geopolitics.

However, the current option of federalism is much better than what they had under Sadaam.

I doubt the Shia would be opposed to Kurdish independence but the sticking point are the OIL wells

[gurey25]

and also kirkuk.

Saddam ethnically cleansed them out of thier traditional city,
its like what siad barre attempted to do with Hargiesa.

Kirkuk is now only 40-50% Kurd while in 1970 it was 90% kurd.

Kirkuk is also where the oilfields are.

the Kurds are now doing reverese ethnic cleanising of thier own, kicking out arabs and Turkomen,
now arabs and Turkomen are now united against the kurds.

[GENERAL_SNM]

[quote="Ican"]What an ill considered analogy, though I'm sure it's one terrorists would love. If Siade Barre is saddam hussein, than how can Darood be shiate? If anything, Darood minority ruling Hawiye minority in Mogadishu before civil would be similar to sunni minority ruling shiate majority in Iraq.

But, this simplistic analogy has too many flaws. As kambuli mentioned what about the Hawiye that's pro Government? And the Darood against the government, or the minority groups in favor of government? Where do they all fit in your analogy?[/quote]

Your pionting out minor differences, what am trying to pint out is what they have in commen.Also i was not insulting Darods by compareing them to shites since they would be insulted in that compareson, becouse they won the leadership of iraq,through the ballot box and Darod would not stand a chance through the ballot. box.
The main thinks that the pro tigree darod, share with the pro american shite is thire thirst for power, which they have achieved with the help of a thired party.
They would never have accompolished this without the help of the invaders,and without the invaders they would lose thire grip on power which is why both Darod and the Shite Iraqis are pro occupation against the national interest.



Gurey kurdistan has a better chance of gaining indepence then Kurdistan simply becouse it has america by its side, somaliland has no such guardian becouse it has no natural resource.