Ethiopians, Hawiye and some Tanzanians all in Bosaso to sail

[Twisted_Logic]

First off all I think most of you guys are quite delusional and need a little bit of reality dose. Without feeling any ill-feeling for any particular group of Somalis, It is clear from history that the only people who were ever dehumanized and brutalized were the Darood people. Now a lot of you guys have frightening flashbacks about the Hawiye people, and why wouldn’t you? After all, weren’t they the ones who chased you from Somalia leaving your people in refugee camps from Ethiopia to Kenya and from London to Minneapolis? I understand that it quite normal for humans to feel hate for the ones who uprooted them both militarily and financially, but there comes a time when persecuted people stop playing the victim and start moving on! It is also apparent that a lot of you guys are suffering from inferiority complex and that is manifested in how much fancy fair-tales you sell to yourselves, and while dreaming isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it has to be matched by a performance on the ground, which you have collectively failed to do so. In fact, the only “good” thing that has happened to the Darood people in recent history is the setting up of an administrative body in Puntland and we all know how it has turned into. The other funny thing (or stimulating I should) thing I have realized is that Majarteens are under the notion that they are the most powerful of the Somalis both financially (never mind the military beating and domination of the 1990s and today they witnessed against the Hawiye), and which is evinced by the so-called Bosaso port which they believe (without any prove of course!). The funny thing is that the Bosaso port isn’t even considered to be the most profitable port in Somalia! The international understanding based on studies conducted all point to El Maan (a Hawiye port) being the most profitable with a revenue of 17-18 million USD per annum, Bosaso doesn’t even generate a 1 million USD! And I will gladly to hear a documented proof pointing otherwise.

The other thing I noticed is that some people are under the illusion that A Yousuf is the one running the show in Somalia, when reality points that Mohammed Gheedi is the one in charge, in fact the very notion of appointing Mohamed Dheere is to keep a military check on the Puntland militia, after-all wasn’t Mohamed Dheere the one who publically kicked A yousuf out of Jowhar?
There are a lot of stuff I want to write about, but time won’t give me the chance, so I leave you with the following thought to reflect about:

If A Yousuf was in charge why did Gheedi reshuffle the whole cabinet to get rid of A Yousuf allies such as Afgaduud and Aideed jr. and why was Mohamed Dheere’s first policy was to order the Puntland milita to not come out of Villa Somalia and specific military bases where they will be monitored?

Chaio!

[cabdallah252]

hawiye boy why you need to lie, wtf is El Maan?

the only port in somalia that are functioning are berbera and bosaso, and bosaso has about 4 times more export then berbera, bosaso exports about one billion every year its the main port of somalia everybody knows that

[DONKEYMAN]

Fokc Daarod

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="cabdallah252"]hawiye boy why you need to lie, wtf is El Maan?

the only port in somalia that are functioning are berbera and bosaso, and bosaso has about 4 times more export then berbera, bosaso exports about one billion every year its the main port of somalia everybody knows that[/quote]

I don't want to expose how ill-informed you are, but I will challenge you to bring forth any concrete evidence to support your childish assumptions.

[paidmonk]

Total Berbera livestock export: 900,000 heads
http://www.fsausomalia.org/fileadmin/up ... df/894.pdf

Total Bosaso livestock exports: 1,300,000 heads
http://www.fsausomalia.org/fileadmin/up ... df/895.pdf

That's just livestock, I'll later post the trade routes and how 70% of dealers go to Bosaso over all ports.

[cabdallah252]

bosaso is competing with djibouti, dubai and mombasa


wtf is berbera or El Maan?

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="cabdallah252"]hawiye boy why you need to lie, wtf is El Maan?

the only port in somalia that are functioning are berbera and bosaso, and bosaso has about 4 times more export then berbera, bosaso exports about one billion every year its the main port of somalia everybody knows that[/quote]

I don't want to expose how ill-informed you are, but I will challenge you to bring forth any concrete evidence to support your childish assumptions.[/quote]

"To give an indication of the future
potential revenues that may be generated at Mogadishu seaport, the following graphic shows that
during the years 2003 and 2004, El Ma’an seaport earned from 22.5 to 30 millions USD, respectively,
easily surpassing the revenues earned at the other main Somalia seaports."
-- page number 35 on the link provided below:

http://www.ethrev.com/documents/Somalia ... v_2006.pdf

Next time some-one challenges you to put your money where your mouth is, let us not count how many livestock port x or z exports. Come with concrete numbers and then we can have a decent discourse! Good luck proving how profitable Bosaso is!

[Unclebin-]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"]First off all I think most of you guys are quite delusional and need a little bit of reality dose. Without feeling any ill-feeling for any particular group of Somalis, It is clear from history that the only people who were ever dehumanized and brutalized were the Darood people. Now a lot of you guys have frightening flashbacks about the Hawiye people, and why wouldn’t you? After all, weren’t they the ones who chased you from Somalia leaving your people in refugee camps from Ethiopia to Kenya and from London to Minneapolis? I understand that it quite normal for humans to feel hate for the ones who uprooted them both militarily and financially, but there comes a time when persecuted people stop playing the victim and start moving on! It is also apparent that a lot of you guys are suffering from inferiority complex and that is manifested in how much fancy fair-tales you sell to yourselves, and while dreaming isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it has to be matched by a performance on the ground, which you have collectively failed to do so. In fact, the only “good” thing that has happened to the Darood people in recent history is the setting up of an administrative body in Puntland and we all know how it has turned into. The other funny thing (or stimulating I should) thing I have realized is that Majarteens are under the notion that they are the most powerful of the Somalis both financially (never mind the military beating and domination of the 1990s and today they witnessed against the Hawiye), and which is evinced by the so-called Bosaso port which they believe (without any prove of course!). The funny thing is that the Bosaso port isn’t even considered to be the most profitable port in Somalia! The international understanding based on studies conducted all point to El Maan (a Hawiye port) being the most profitable with a revenue of 17-18 million USD per annum, Bosaso doesn’t even generate a 1 million USD! And I will gladly to hear a documented proof pointing otherwise.

The other thing I noticed is that some people are under the illusion that A Yousuf is the one running the show in Somalia, when reality points that Mohammed Gheedi is the one in charge, in fact the very notion of appointing Mohamed Dheere is to keep a military check on the Puntland militia, after-all wasn’t Mohamed Dheere the one who publically kicked A yousuf out of Jowhar?
There are a lot of stuff I want to write about, but time won’t give me the chance, so I leave you with the following thought to reflect about:

If A Yousuf was in charge why did Gheedi reshuffle the whole cabinet to get rid of A Yousuf allies such as Afgaduud and Aideed jr. and why was Mohamed Dheere’s first policy was to order the Puntland milita to not come out of Villa Somalia and specific military bases where they will be monitored?

Chaio![/quote]



Hutu foqal hutu.

Agaduud was dismissed by Abdullahi yusuf. Aideed jr was called a majnuun by abdullahi yusuf.

Geedi is the head of government. his job is to reshuffle ministers. Do you know what your talkin about?


Dude million of animals go through the port. The port is the primary port for Mudug Thorugh parts of Togdheer. Even Hawadle businessman from Hiiraan bring there goods from there.

Plus how do you think the puntland government functions? Where do you think the operating budget of 20+ million comes from? Thin air?

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Unclebin-"][quote="Twisted_Logic"]First off all I think most of you guys are quite delusional and need a little bit of reality dose. Without feeling any ill-feeling for any particular group of Somalis, It is clear from history that the only people who were ever dehumanized and brutalized were the Darood people. Now a lot of you guys have frightening flashbacks about the Hawiye people, and why wouldn’t you? After all, weren’t they the ones who chased you from Somalia leaving your people in refugee camps from Ethiopia to Kenya and from London to Minneapolis? I understand that it quite normal for humans to feel hate for the ones who uprooted them both militarily and financially, but there comes a time when persecuted people stop playing the victim and start moving on! It is also apparent that a lot of you guys are suffering from inferiority complex and that is manifested in how much fancy fair-tales you sell to yourselves, and while dreaming isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it has to be matched by a performance on the ground, which you have collectively failed to do so. In fact, the only “good” thing that has happened to the Darood people in recent history is the setting up of an administrative body in Puntland and we all know how it has turned into. The other funny thing (or stimulating I should) thing I have realized is that Majarteens are under the notion that they are the most powerful of the Somalis both financially (never mind the military beating and domination of the 1990s and today they witnessed against the Hawiye), and which is evinced by the so-called Bosaso port which they believe (without any prove of course!). The funny thing is that the Bosaso port isn’t even considered to be the most profitable port in Somalia! The international understanding based on studies conducted all point to El Maan (a Hawiye port) being the most profitable with a revenue of 17-18 million USD per annum, Bosaso doesn’t even generate a 1 million USD! And I will gladly to hear a documented proof pointing otherwise.

The other thing I noticed is that some people are under the illusion that A Yousuf is the one running the show in Somalia, when reality points that Mohammed Gheedi is the one in charge, in fact the very notion of appointing Mohamed Dheere is to keep a military check on the Puntland militia, after-all wasn’t Mohamed Dheere the one who publically kicked A yousuf out of Jowhar?
There are a lot of stuff I want to write about, but time won’t give me the chance, so I leave you with the following thought to reflect about:

If A Yousuf was in charge why did Gheedi reshuffle the whole cabinet to get rid of A Yousuf allies such as Afgaduud and Aideed jr. and why was Mohamed Dheere’s first policy was to order the Puntland milita to not come out of Villa Somalia and specific military bases where they will be monitored?

Chaio![/quote]



Hutu foqal hutu.

Agaduud was dismissed by Abdullahi yusuf. Aideed jr was called a majnuun by abdullahi yusuf.

Geedi is the head of government. his job is to reshuffle ministers. Do you know what your talkin about?


Dude million of animals go through the port. The port is the primary port for Mudug Thorugh parts of Togdheer. Even Hawadle businessman from Hiiraan bring there goods from there.

Plus how do you think the puntland government functions? Where do you think the operating budget of 20+ million comes from? Thin air?[/quote]


I refuse to go back and forth with your juvenile presumptions. If you have any concrete and independent sources to back your preposterous claims that the local port in Bosaso generates more income than the El Maan port, or else shut up. I refuse to entertain your poignant and perverted fantasies.

[Somali2003]

Twistedlogic, are you Warsangeli-Abgaal?

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Somali2003"]Twistedlogic, are you Warsangeli-Abgaal?[/quote]

Nope! I am half wacbudan and half wacesley

[Ican]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="cabdallah252"]hawiye boy why you need to lie, wtf is El Maan?

the only port in somalia that are functioning are berbera and bosaso, and bosaso has about 4 times more export then berbera, bosaso exports about one billion every year its the main port of somalia everybody knows that[/quote]

I don't want to expose how ill-informed you are, but I will challenge you to bring forth any concrete evidence to support your childish assumptions.[/quote]

"To give an indication of the future
potential revenues that may be generated at Mogadishu seaport, the following graphic shows that
during the years 2003 and 2004, El Ma’an seaport earned from 22.5 to 30 millions USD, respectively,
easily surpassing the revenues earned at the other main Somalia seaports."
-- page number 35 on the link provided below:

http://www.ethrev.com/documents/Somalia ... v_2006.pdf

Next time some-one challenges you to put your money where your mouth is, let us not count how many livestock port x or z exports. Come with concrete numbers and then we can have a decent discourse! Good luck proving how profitable Bosaso is![/quote]

According to the FAO-UN livestock report, Mogadishu was not in operation in 2003.

"The onset of the civil war disrupted almost all of this livestock trade in the southern part of
the country. Exports by sea from Mogadishu and Kismayo came to a virtual halt. The main
livestock species of the hinterlands of these two ports, in contrast to those of Berbera and
Bossasso in the north, which are strongholds of sheep and goats and camels, are populated by
large numbers of cattle."

"The main port at Mogadishu was not in use in 2003 because of the
ethnic conflicts in the area. Any livestock exports would, therefore, have to be loaded on ships by
first loading them on lighters. This is a slow and tedious process and would tend to limit livestock
exports. In addition, the Indian Ocean off the east coast of Somalia is rough, especially in the
summer, which means that small ships (such as the dhows that transport most of the livestock
from Bossasso) would not be suitable for large scale exports.ayu port."

Because of the Saudi Ban Bossaso was ahead of berbera port in terms of livestock export as of 2002:

"The ban on imports from Somalia by Saudi Arabia resulted in a drop of exports from
Berbera of two thirds. Bossasso with its closer proximity to Yemen, Oman, and the UAE has
managed to increase exports to these countries offsetting to a large degree the loss of the market
in Saudi Arabia."

There is a graph showing the number of exports(cattle, sheep, goats etc) of the respective ports.

Bossaso port is the most profitable port in Somalia as of today, that doesn't mean however that other ports don't have potential to be profitable.

Source:FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ORGANIZATION
OF THE UNITED NATIONS

[Somaliweyn]

There is a true economic transformation going on in Mogadishu/Somalia. I always knew this but never to what extent and speed. But I must say that I am amazed at the speed and scope of the transformation.

Ceel Macaan was put into use in 1991, during the heavy fighting in Mogadishu, to deliver humanitarian aid to Northern Mogadishu.

In 1995, when Merca was opened by Aideed faction, North Mogadishu traders organized and decided to use Ceel Macaan for their businesses. In a period shorter than 10 years, they have transformed a beach with no port, to one of the most profitable ports in Somalia. Surpassing deep-sea ports like Berbera and Kismaanyo.

Why? Because Berbera port became mismanaged by the regime of Hargeisa, it depends on Ethiopian use in exchange for low prices. Bosaso port has grown much in the past, but it is mainly dependent on livestock export which are not that lucrative. Kismanyo port depends about 90% of its revenue on the export of charcoal. While Ceel Macaan has become the port of import for Mogadishu based businesses. It exports a small share of charcoal and other products.

It makes sense though, Mogadishu commercial activity is the largest in Somalia, and since 70 percent of Mogadishu businessmen use Ceel Macaan because of its efficiency, then it means it makes alot of profit anually.

This also explains the heavy fighting in May 2004 when Muse Suudi's faction wanted a share in this growing Ceel Macaan business. More than 100 people died, and the fighting spread all over North Mogadishu. It reminded people of the 4 months war, which indicates its severity.

[Luq_Ganane]

Somaliweyn, any large amount of revenue going from El Maan port, is nothing more then the whole Hawiye clan family living in Xamar and its environs the past decade or so. Its dense population, is what caused any spike in commercial trading revenue.

[shidow1]

Is this like besha Hawiye thread........