ICU used 2,000 Oromos and Eritreans to take over Kismayo.

[Unclebin-]

Dalsan is owned by the people who operate Dayax islamic bank. Those guys had a few bad family members rob the whole joint.

Cusmaan Maxamud tuugo

[*Arabman]

A UN report alleged 720 ICU defeated Israel in 2006, when it was Hezbollah that did it. Even George Bush correctly stated the UN is irrelevant. Now, who are the fools who quote UN's foolish reports as something worthy to quote?

[sadeboi]

Thank allah those thugs were defeated and taught a lesson.

[Somaliweyn]

The report says they may have used eritreans, but how do you know they used all of 2000 eritreans? Or are you saying that to save yourself face?

I am not even surprised at this report, since Somalia has become a playing field for foreign countries. And since UIC were just religilous warlords I assume they used foreign help in their advances, just like the secular warlords have done in all those years.

Now to return to Kismaanyo, If Bare Hiiraale was a good military leader why did he not even engage the UIC force outside of Kismaanyo, just a small skirmish to see what force he was facing.

Instead he ran away from Kismaanyo and decided to make a stand at Bu'ale. Fair deal, but when I heard that his militia got defeated and that their tikniko's got stuck in the mud because of the heavy raining, I thought: How stupid to not take the weather in one's consideration when fighting a battle.

The UIC had just a few tikniko's and almost all infantery, while Barre Hiiraale came with many tikniko's that just fell into the hands of UIC.

The strange thing, this man is a socalled Colonel. From his handling of the UIC it becomes clear that he is incompetent compared to saddex-alifle Maxamed Dheere. At least this warlord engaged them outside of Jowhare for some houres, when he saw it was against all odds, he withdrew to Mustaaxiil. And waited there till the Ethiopian force was ready to bring him back to Jowhar on their tanks. Hiiraale fled from Kismaanyo, made a fool out of himself at Bu'aale, then went to Baidoba to wait for his Ethiopian escort tanks to bring him back to Kismaanyo

[Advocatar]

[quote]compared to saddex-alifle Maxamed Dheere[/quote]


............this place is getting funnier by the day. I needed that,.

[Lacageylacag]

You are giving excuses for the Abdi Bile runner you made and 36 technicals you lost. The easiest battle ICU fought.

Only 8 Eritreans were found in the whole of somalia when Tigre and their pimps showed up in Xamar.

[Executive]

^^ Wadaad ha isku Sheegin, That was one of the biggest Mistakes made by UIC.


Taking over Kismayo by force wa wax Xaram ah, Very unislamic indeed.

[James Dahl]

The ICU was not monolithic, there were different factions with different ideas, and they acted pretty much independently of one another.

Hassan Turki and the pro-ICU Marehan took over the Juba Valley with their own forces because Hassan Turki is an Ogaden. Indha'adde couldn't stop him because he wasn't a member of the ICU, and the first thing he did after Turki took over the valley was turn over his domain and join as a full member, likely to save his own skin and to prevent crap like that in the future. Sharif Sheikh Ahmed was too busy in Mogadishu and Aweys was busy up north, and Aweys didn't neccisarily disagree with Turki, so it went ahead. Turki's AIAI goons did some bad stuff in Bu'alle and Kismayo.

[Hiiraan boy]

i think its fake

icu shoulda waited with kismayo first they rush too fast. it was mistake cause after kismayo it went bad.

[The`Republic]

Somaliweyn-

That's precisely why we say you are Udeejeen, Mudulood without an iota of history in the valor, courage, or fighting department. You said why did not Barre Hiiraale engage them outside the city to test them and I cannot help but think how dense intellectually you are. Do you know what sentries are or sorties are, or even reconnaissance posts?

There were already two teknikos posted in Jilib put there to relay information back to Kismaayo so Barre Hiiraale could better devise his strategy. They spoke back of over 200 teknikos and some of the most newest weaponry Somalia had seen since the early 90's. The ICU had brought all it's forces together, combined all the weaponry they had taken and militias they had conscripted from the mogadishu warlords they defeated like qaybdiid, Maxamed Dheere, bashiir raage, Muuse Suudi, Qanyare. They had conscripted all the former Hawiye mooryaans as fighting Islamic mujaahidiin, had taken the loyalty of the Ogaden through Hassan Turki, had Oromo and Eritreans with them as well as support from misguided Sade Al Itixaad.

At the end these men were publicly under an Islamic manner, so they were not deemed a threat to stealing our things or abusing our women like clan militias, so it was decided to merely vacate the city until we would be in a better position to take on such an unholy alliance, the worst nightmare scenario of foreign troops, massive foreign weapons, the combine force of all of former mogadishu warlords (in other words HAWIYE) as well as the Ogaden under Hussein Turki and their massive support from the Al Itihad ideology leaning Marehans.

The Marehans went to Baardheere where, for the first time in our history, we were forced to sit down with Ethiopia and be in the same page concerning Somalia. They gave us weapons, although which could have been deemed symbolic against the unholy alliance that was the ICU and allies. Unlike the ICU, however which made use of Gaalo Habashi troops we refused support from standing Ethiopian troop backup like as in Puntland and Baydhabo.

There is a big misconception that Barre Hiiraale went back down again to fight. NO HE DID NOT. His former Ogadeni JVA allies tricked him by saying we swear fealty to you as before and we are willing to fight with you against the ICU. Also, the all the other members of the JVA such as Gaaljecel, Shiikhaal sweared fealty also and said they would fight with Barre in any attack against the ICU base in Jubbaland. Why do you think the ICU later on did such things as arrest the Shiikhaal governors of Jilib and the Ogadeni governor of Bu'aale?

Barre Hiiraale sent a force, not a fighting force, but a force that can repel ambushes to go and meet the Ogadenis and collect the weapons they said they had ready for him. THAT is where the ambush occurred and why the ICU was so sure they had killed Barre's military commander Col Fartaag who was sent there collect the weapons. Barre who had parted with the force at Saakow immediately went towards Bu'aale when he heard it was an ambush that Hassan Turki had planned. It was because of Barre's fast paced backup that Marehans held off the ambush attack long enough to dislodge their Zuu, Dhunshiilke, and other weapons and leave the cars who got stuck in the mud. There was never a fight but Ogaden trickery with the ICU and foreign merceneries hiding around. In fact in a Sade teleconference I listened to right after the incident even when the pro-ICU media was saying they killed Col Fartaag, Fartaag was on the line saying Hassan Turki is dead and he personally saw it. He described the ambush and his daring escape as an occupant of the first Sade tekniko in the convoy.

The Marehans then made back to Baardheere where they had brand new cars waiting for them to put their weapons on and held a line on the Gedo border. All during that time the ICU was not able to penetrate or even close to the Gedo border and sat there for a month relying on Sade Al Itixaads to cause disunity but Sade unity did not waver and they were forced to go east towards Diinsoor where they were soundly defeated less than a month later.

Now Sade is back in power without any military loss in the form of weaponry as well as controlling all the ICU war booty and the Afgaduud war booty and our empire is secure with any chance of something like the unholy alliance of all of Mogadishu's power, Ogadeni and Marehan Al Itihad support, as well as material and troop support form foreign forces. Not to say, Ethiopia is doing everything it can to never put off Marehan or make us turn hostile.

Next time comment on something you actually have knowledge of Udeejeen boy.

[James Dahl]

The ICU didn't have their whole force in the invasion of Kismayo, they were expanding north and west at the same time as this, and Indha'adde's forces weren't part of the ICU yet. From what I've read, it was almost entirely an al-Ittihad operation, mostly Marehan and Ogaden. The Hawiye forces under Aweys and the Shabbab were busy securing Galgadud and Upper Shabelle, and securing the Ethiopian border in Hiraan and the road to Puntland, where the biggest threats were. Juba Valley invasion was a bit of a sideshow really.

[The`Republic]

James are you on a quest for attention again? Don't look at this nick, it is I DawladSade who had a name change. Was it not recent when you called me a jerk for the 4th (FOURTH) confrontation we had in which I made you look like a fool?

Don't respond to me again unless you want clarification concerning what I write. I am the man who wrote of what would happen to the ICU, the exact date in which they would cease to exist, and the large-scale air and ground assault against them way two months before it actually did and when they were at the height of their power.

The last thing I need you is to talk to me as an equal concerning Somali affairs

[SummerRain]

So the Republic is also DowladSade. I wonder what brought forward the name change?

[Warsame101]

[James Dahl]

[quote="The`Republic"]James are you on a quest for attention again? Don't look at this nick, it is I DawladSade who had a name change. Was it not recent when you called me a jerk for the 4th (FOURTH) confrontation we had in which I made you look like a fool?

Don't respond to me again unless you want clarification concerning what I write. I am the man who wrote of what would happen to the ICU, the exact date in which they would cease to exist, and the large-scale air and ground assault against them way two months before it actually did and when they were at the height of their power.

The last thing I need you is to talk to me as an equal concerning Somali affairs[/quote]

I have no interest in dredging up ancient arguments over nothing with you in that case.