Ernesto "Che" Guevara

[Alluring]

The only person who needs anything simplified would have to be you.

Revolution is an aspect of life, when people are being used and their resources are being DEPRIVED the level of fairness declines. And individuals like Che are born, who have to represent those who are disinfranchized.

Like it or not. He is relevant, you are not.

People know Che, people do not know Mcpherson.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"The only person who needs anything simplified would have to be you.

Revolution is an aspect of life, when people are being used and their resources are being DEPRIVED the level of fairness declines. And individuals like Che are born, who have to represent those who are disinfranchized.

Like it or not. He is relevant, you are not.

People know Che, people do not know Mcpherson."

People know George Bush, they do not know Alluring.

Yes, social conflict has produced all kinds of revolutionaries: Mao Tse Tung, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot............ the list is long. Don't be a focking moron here. Life is unfair. Always was, always will be. Revolutions are bad, almost always. Rare is the revolution with a pretty outcome.

[Alluring]

Who spoke about George Bush? Do you worship him?

Why must you need to SWEAR to get your point across? Rather sad, I tell ya.

It is best to try than not to TRY at all. Che tried, and that matters.

Stalin and Hilter were white folks who were bored. So they do not matter, and they were not trying to revolutionize anything they were trying to CONTROL the world with their power of position!

Mao actually changed China, and it is the way it is today thanks to Mao.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"It is best to try than not to TRY at all. Che tried, and that matters."

There are different ways of trying. Martin Luther King tried. Ghandi tried. Eisenhower, who despised racism in American society, tried........... gradually. He believed in EVOLUTION vice revolution. He saw the dangers in revolution.

"Stalin and Hilter were white folks who were bored. So they do not matter, and they were not trying to revolutionize anything they were trying to CONTROL the world with their power of position!"

They would argue quite differently. And they sure as focked mattered. Don't be a moron. And what does race have to do with it?

"Mao actually changed China, and it is the way it is today thanks for Mao."

You don't know what China would look like today had the Kuomintang won. BUT, it might look like Taiwan today, don't you think??? What we do know, is that China under Mao was ripped to pieces. TENS of MILLIONS of Chinese died during his reign of political terror. Millions starved during his ill-conceived economic programs. How anyone can defend the record of Mao is beyond me.

Notice you haven't mentioned that great revolutinary Pol Pot. I left out Kim Il Sung too. What a legacy his revolution has had..............

Get off it. Che was a tiny little despotic man who Castro got rid of and who accomplished nothing and who is a political icon for morons.

[Alluring]

Go cry yourself a river.

So what Bush is doing to Iraq is okay? MILLIONS of people dying?

What is the difference between MAO and BUSH?

Let us ALL see how you get away with this point. Race has everything to do with it MAD MAC everyone who is not white or does not agree with Western folds is labeled dangerous or evil.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"So what Bush is doing to Iraq is okay? MILLIONS of people dying?"

I didn't say that. But millions are not dying, and it's "Islamic Revolutionaries" who are doing most of the killing and will continue to do it when we leave."

"What is the difference between MAO and BUSH?"

One was elected, one was not. One conducted whole scale campaigns to wipe out political opposition, one did not. One presided over the mass starvation of his population in the name of Revolution one did not. I could go on, but you get the point.

"Let us ALL see how you get away with this point. Race has everything to do with it MAD MAC everyone who is not white or does not agree with Western folds is labeled dangerous or evil."

You mean like Nelson Mandela?

[Alluring]

Mad Mac

Bush is not in a war with a religion, it is based on OIL and elitist agenda. Iraq was not a political opposition, Sadaam was not a target.

Stop trying to divert the real problem here.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

This discussion was about Che, not Bush or the war in Iraq. So it is not I who is diverting anything.

I actually do not believe the war was about oil, although that would be OK with me. But I do think it was ill-conceived. I have always maintained that, here on Somalinet, even before the war began.

So what's your point? Che, last I checked, was not fighting with Islamic fundamentalists in Iraq.

[Alluring]

What Islamic fundamentalists are in Iraq? When someone does not agree with your agenda or your way of life they are the ENEMY or they are WRONG? Is that how to live life, Mad Mac?

We are now geared away from Che to the Iraq war and Bush so let us stick with that issue. The war was is and will always be about OIL!

If the Middle East did not have natural resources, America or other western powers would not give TWO sh*ts about them.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

We don't give two shits about them now. I don't care about the focking rag-heads. They are easily the least sympathetic people in the world.

But the bottom line is this: You can argue that the US should not have invaded. Fair enough. But once that happened, the US has tried hard to help the Iraqis establish a pluralistic government. The Iraqi people have thwarted that at every turn, and killed each other will a relentless viciousness that shows little signs of abatement.

Do you think the US should pull out? You know what will happen when we do right? Somalia times ten.

[Alluring]

You can continue to tell yourself that the war on Iraq was not based on oil or other fractions having to do with elitist arrangement, but those who do not have wool over their eyes see the insight of certainty.

How did the American government try to give Iraqis freedom? By bombing them at night and when they least suspected it? In order to give individuals freedom there must be negotiations and a level of understanding. If you are trying to insinuate that is a gesture of goodwill you are delusional and I have reasons to believe you have been drugged by the Thai prostitutions, you so love.

American troops did not come to Somalia to help the civilian population, but to rescue the Pakistani peacekeepers that were being ambushed by Aidid and his cohorts.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"You can continue to tell yourself that the war on Iraq was not based on oil or other fractions having to do with elitist arrangement, but those who do not have wool over their eyes see the insight of certainty. "

Like I said, we can argue about motive. I believe it had a lot more to do with an Israeli end state than with oil. But IT DOESN'T MATTER.

"How did the American government try to give Iraqis freedom? By bombing them at night and when they least suspected it? In order to give individuals freedom there must be negotiations and a level of understanding. If you are trying to insinuate that is a gesture of goodwill you are delusional and I have reasons to believe you have been drugged by the Thai prostitutions, you so love."

I did say "You can argue that the US should not have invaded. Fair enough. But once that happened, the US has tried hard to help the Iraqis establish a pluralistic government I did say ". Are you being deliberately obtuse here?? I did not say it was a gesture of goodwill. I did not even allude to that. Pay attention for Christ Sakes.

"American troops did not come to Somalia to help the civilian population, but to rescue the Pakistani peacekeepers that were being ambushed by Aidid and his cohorts."

This is absolutely wrong. America sent troops into Somalia for one reason: CNN.

[Alluring]

If they said eating sh*t gives rewards of youth, you would be the first getting a lump full. You believe so much BS, that you have forgotten to think for yourself. There is a part in life when you must look at the realistic part, and add emotions to it.

You sit there with your head up high because of the pension America gives you. You do not think of those suffering. You could not live a day in the lives of Iraqis.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

I don't even care about who's suffering. But again, you have managed to get completely off track. This isn't about who cares about what. This is about the efficacy, or lack thereof, concerning Revolutions. Somehow, you moved from that to American foreign policy, which you will always despise because we are strong and you are weak.

[Alluring]

We are strong and you are weak.......

Listen, Mad Mac. You are not in any high ranking positions within the United States government, you do not contribute to the policies. Keep thinking to yourself that you matter, loooool.