Why does America support Israel

[Alluring]

The answer to this question is, why should they NOT support Israel?

[Alluring]

Arabs are brainwashing Somalis.

How is it fair that Arabs (Saudi, Egyptians) can have relations with Israel and Jews? But we are told on a daily basis we can not?

Last time, I checked. I was not Arab.

Arabs want to destroy our traditions and our country. Damn them to HELL!

[*jr]

The US support of Israel derives almost entirely from domestic politics, and the activities of the 'Israel Lobby'. The lobby has managed to convince American people and their politicians that the US interests and that of Israel are identical. The lobby also uses intimidation tactics against anyone who dare to mention their influence over politicians in Washington or anyone else who criticizes Israel’s policies. The state of Israel would have collapsed long ago (or been forced to see reason and behave in a civilised manner) had it not been Israel lobby’s political influence in Washington. Only when the American public opinion turned against Israel would we see peace in the Middle East and throughout the world.

Required reading: "The Israel Lobby" by professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, published by London Review of Books.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

[Grant]

GB,

This is from the summary of your link:


" Bulliet envisions a future, 20 years off at least, where Islamic countries will have active democracies. He also debunks the popular view that Islam has an inherent separation of church and state problem; Christians have had similar issues in the past, as he shows with the Church of England and other examples. Bulliet's optimism—which is backed up by solid arguments—is alluring, particularly where his counterparts can offer only gloom-and-doom scenarios. Bulliet's most brilliant insight, which comes in the last chapter, is the recognition that those Islamic movements on the fringe eventually become the center of Islam. The new leaders of Islam—probably those on the edge now, who have shown more diverse, tolerant attitudes—have not yet been heard from, he says. Although portions are written densely, this book is a quick, informative, and encouraging read."

Notice that he is talking about a change in Islam.

I will stick with the perspective that says Christianity is far closer to Judaism than it is to Islam. The value systems and methodologies are just too different.

[Alluring]

Israel said let Somalia be an indepedent country.

The Arabs did not.


So who is OUR enemy?

[Koronto91]

Alluring,

We are Muslims, so clearly our enemy is anyone who is an enemy of Islam & Muslims. Israel was founded on immoral grounds; at the expense of ousting hundreds of thousands of Muslims from their ancestoral homes and making them refugees in either Gaza or Jordan. No Muslim in their right mind can ever support Israel over any Muslim country.

[Gedo_Boy]

yeah he spoke on the radio and he was talking about the fundamental theology of Islam but I guess that blurb is not related.

Anyways, Christianity is far closer to Judaism in what sense? Jews don't even acknowledge the message of Jesus Christ?

It's kinda like the Pharisees at the time of Jesus........as the recognized religious leadership of Judaism they unequivocally denied the message of Jesus, as they did many others.

Islam reconciles the differences.


(And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to
them, humbling themselves before Allah. They do not sell the Verses of Allah for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, Allah is Swift in account) 3:199

The message of Prophet Muhammad would have not been the 1st Prophet rejected by the Israelites:

And indeed, We gave Mûsa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [(Gabriel) ]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.

[Ina Baxar]

Alluring-->"Israel said let Somalia be an indepedent country.

The Arabs did not.


So who is OUR enemy?"


Ya Ilaahi , bal eega bahashaa!!
Nayee , "somali this somali that " ka bax , lagaa qori maayo.
Intaaso qof oo Snet jooga oday ku djali kara oo gaal ah baad ka dooratay inaad sawirkaaga tusto ood la hasaawdo. Wax dhimatay baad tahay , hadday soomalinimadu kaa dhab tahay halkaad dabadda ku xoganaysaad ilaansha lahayd.SHUT UP!!

[Grant]

"No Muslim in their right mind can ever support Israel over any Muslim country."

OK. So how many Muslims are in their right minds? Are there any Kurds in there?

[Gedo_Boy]

Grant,

Other than the fact that the first Christians were Jews, in accordance w/ the message of Jesus being to the Jews essentially to rectify Judaism ("I have not been sent but to the lost sheep of the children of Israel), there is no real link between Judaism/Christianity.

The Jews flat out reject Jesus, and the Christians are more and more growing apologetics hoping that by sheer miracle ingratiating themselves to Judaism will somehow please Jesus b/c Jesus was Jewish himself. Nevermind the fact that the Pharisees belied Jesus during his lifetime, slandered him and his mother, and tried to kill him as they killed John the Baptist.


Islam takes the story from there, before and after. Because the teachings and message of Jesus were modified........unless you trust the fact that Christianity owes its doctrine in large parts not to Jesus or his direct disciples, but to a man that came much later.

From what I hear, the part of Jesus being conisdered God didn't even pick up steam until well after his death.

So, from an Islamic perspective, the Quran has the full story of the Israelites, the early Christians, Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus, Joseph, David, Solomon.

[Gedo_Boy]

Grant,

Here's some quotes from the 1st chapter of the book which highlights the myth that Judaism/Christianity are somehow more doctrinally linked than Islam/Christianity:


"The unquestioned acceptance of "Judeo-Christian civilization" as a synonym for "Western civilization" makes it clear that history is not destiny. No one with the least knowledge of the past two thousand years of relations between Christians and Jews can possibly miss the IRONY of linking in a single term two faith communities that decidedly did not get along during most of that period. One suspects that a heavenly poll of of long-departed Jewish and Christian dignitaries would discover majorities in both camps expressing REPUGNANCE for the term.

Substantively, a historian would argue, the term is amply warranted. Common scriptural roots, shared theological concernes, continous interaction at a societal level, and mutual contribution to what in modern times has become a common pool of thought and feeling give the Euro-American Christian and Jewish communities solid ground for declaring their civilizational solidarity. Yet the scriptural and doctrinal linkages between Judaism and Christianity are NO CLOSER than those between Judaism and Islam, or between Christianity and Islam; "

[Gedo_Boy]

I don't think there is a doctrinal or theological case, except for the ones we are made to believe exist, when in fact they are so diametrically opposed.

The Jews consider Christians Gentiles (with its negative connotations) and the Christians just recently (last few hundred years) acknowledged the Jews right to human rights and equality.

Was it not the Crusaders who were slaughtering Jews left and right?

Islam has been the rational bridge through all that time. In fact, Jerusalem never saw peaceful co-existence BUT when it was ruled by Islamic forces. And that is when civilization thrived and Europe started taking back good ideas and innovations back home and they started developing the whole Ali Baba, Moor, Muslim fantasies and bedtime stories.

[Alluring]

Ina Baxar, you emotional deviant sissy boy. You follow me on EVERY post, and talk about me on other posts that do not pertain to me. That is called OBSESSION!
I suggest you keep your dirty rhetoric and small minded logic away from me. Unless you want to cry over and over and over again. Grow some f*cking balls and man up, qaniis!

[Ina Baxar]

Emotions are what make us HUMAN beings, it is an aspect of consciousness. Adigu xayawaan aan xishood lahayn baad tahay , soomalinimo had iyoo jeer ka hadasha aanay laakin marnaba ka muuqan!! Kuu naxarisaan maayo adiga!!

[gurey25]

interesting book Gedo boy.

the last jewish golden age was when they were under the rule of Islam.

they still study the works of maimonedes in thier yeshivas,

and he was a refugee from Andalusia, and was Salahudins close friend and personal doctor.